• “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Starts Monday in the US
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[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;39699315]Except this bullshit has got nothing to do with the government. It's the RIAA, the MPAA, AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon.[/QUOTE] Uh no, it has everything to do with the government. Those groups buy out your lawmakers with loads of cash, that cash makes the lawmakers change their viewpoint and thus support the lobbyists cause. That is how you get shit done in America.
So if I buy software and loose the disk and I torrent a replacement Im treated like a thief Thanks
I swear we have a similar scheme already in the UK but no one I know has ever received one of these warnings. Dont think the ISPs care....
We had a similar scheme with Ireland's biggest broadband provider except it's only three strikes, and your internet gets cut for a week, and if you do it a fourth time, it gets cut permanently.
[QUOTE=Hiccuper;39699692]We had a similar scheme with Ireland's biggest broadband provider except it's only three strikes, and your internet gets cut for a week, and if you do it a fourth time, it gets cut permanently.[/QUOTE] "had", does that mean it's gone now?
[QUOTE=laserguided;39699570]Uh no, it has everything to do with the government. Those groups buy out your lawmakers with loads of cash, that cash makes the lawmakers change their viewpoint and thus support the lobbyists cause. That is how you get shit done in America.[/QUOTE] Huh? I know you like painting yourself as David versus the veritable Goliath that is a corrupt government and such...but the government isn't even involved here. These are private companies making deals with other private companies, which last time I checked, is perfectly fine and legal. If you don't like the business practices of your ISP, send them a message by switching to someone else
The odds of getting caught are very slim and even then you have 5 chances before anything actually happens.
So with a dynamic IP, I'm pretty much safe from this? Good job, cable companies, literally giving me the means to subvert your shit systems.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696480]Don't act as if you have the moral high ground here, they're giving you 6 chances to stop pirating. It's clearly stated that if you keep going, you're getting consequences. If you don't like it, find another ISP. If all the ISP's do it? Tough luck, they're a private business and piracy isn't protected by the constitution[/QUOTE] Are you stupid? I wasn't trying to take the moral high ground. Seeing as you opened up with that stupid comment, moral high ground? It is downloading some digital files, it isn't like you're fucking depriving someone of their life. I was simply asking related to ISP contracts wouldn't it be void? I was looking at it from a consumer stand point. Private companies can't just changes their terms of service on you, specially if you already entered in to a contract from what I understand. Way to complete twist what I said, someone has a bug up their ass. Better be careful with that edge.
These kinds of things seem to slip and slide in the UK. People have definitely tried to throw stuff at pirates, but ISP's have yet to do anything major as far as I'm aware. I don't hear much/anything about UK ISP's sending threatening mail to people or anything. They understand that there's a bunch of other just-as-good ISP's, so don't really do anything to push customers away. For the most part, they're chill.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39699786]Huh? I know you like painting yourself as David versus the veritable Goliath that is a corrupt government and such...but the government isn't even involved here. These are private companies making deals with other private companies, which last time I checked, is perfectly fine and legal. If you don't like the business practices of your ISP, send them a message by switching to someone else[/QUOTE] Then there should be a law against this kind of bullshit happening with ISP's these days. But that won't happen because of what I said.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700019]Then there should be a law against this kind of bullshit happening with ISP's these days. But that won't happen because of what I said.[/QUOTE] What law are they breaking?
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[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700042]What law are they breaking?[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand my post. I said one should be created. What do you have against protecting people from this sort of shit?
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700059]I don't think you understand my post. I said one should be created.[/QUOTE] What would that law be? Why should it be illegal?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700066]What would that law be? Why should it be illegal?[/QUOTE] Because this sort of thing is bullshit and the internet could be considered a vital service in today's society, as it is in other countries. Why do you support this strike system? Companies shouldn't be able to degrade or cut your service because of your IP address being linked to downloading a torrent.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700081]Because this sort of thing is bullshit and the internet could be considered a vital service in today's society, as it is in other countries. Why do you support this strike system? Companies shouldn't be able to degrade or cut your service because of your IP address being linked to downloading a torrent.[/QUOTE] They're private companies, if you don't like what they do, switch to someone else
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700137]They're private companies, if you don't like what they do, switch to someone else[/QUOTE] What if no other service is available? The internet is required for most things today.
Don't they already do this?
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700150]What if no other service is available? The internet is required for most things today.[/QUOTE] Well the companies shouldn't be forced to support it, that'd be like saying all restaurants absolutely have to have chicken or they're breaking the law
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700169]Well the companies shouldn't be forced to support it, that'd be like saying all restaurants absolutely have to have chicken or they're breaking the law[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://transitionculture.org/wp-content/uploads/strawman1.jpg[/IMG] Straw man argument right there.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700137]They're private companies, if you don't like what they do, switch to someone else[/QUOTE] Much easier said then done. At least in the area I live in, Comcast is essentially the only ISP that offers service to where I live, so anyone here is shit out of luck if they wanna switch.
good thing its shitty isps ill never use
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700176][IMG]http://transitionculture.org/wp-content/uploads/strawman1.jpg[/IMG] Straw man argument right there.[/QUOTE] The government shouldn't step in and force a company to support something, unless whatever the company is doing infringes on your rights, which torrents are not
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700193]The government shouldn't step in and force a company to support something, unless whatever the company is doing infringes on your rights, which torrents are not[/QUOTE] Its not forcing them to support anything, its protecting the needs of every day citizens. A german court ruled it was indeed a essential service not to long ago. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1242462[/url] By the way, there is nothing wrong with torrents.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700210]Its not forcing them to support anything, its protecting the needs of every day citizens. A german court ruled it was indeed a essential service not to long ago. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1242462[/url] By the way, there is nothing wrong with torrents.[/QUOTE] This isn't preventing you from finding work or communicating with people, thus they aren't impeding on your everyday needs
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700243]This isn't preventing you from finding work or communicating with people, thus they aren't impeding on your everyday needs[/QUOTE] A lot of jobs request that you email a resume. Here is what the German court said about this issue, [QUOTE]"The Internet plays a very important role today and affects the private life of an individual in very decisive ways. Therefore loss of use of the Internet is comparable to the loss of use of a car," a court spokeswoman told Germany's ARD television.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700256]A lot of jobs request that you email a resume. Here is what the German court said about this issue,[/QUOTE] Yeah, this doesn't stop you from sending emails?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700260]Yeah, this doesn't stop you from sending emails?[/QUOTE] You need internet access to send a email.......
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700266]You need internet access to send a email.......[/QUOTE] You need car insurance to drive, but if you're a shitty driver then the insurance company can raise your payments or drop you altogether, even though driving is essential today. The ISP gives you 6 warnings before they throttle you, that's plenty of time to get your shit together and stop torrenting
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