“Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Starts Monday in the US
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[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700291]You need car insurance to drive, but if you're a shitty driver then the insurance company can raise your payments or drop you altogether, even though driving is essential today. The ISP gives you 6 warnings before they throttle you, that's plenty of time to get your shit together and stop torrenting[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure they throttle you on the first warning. And this is bullshit in itself because it refers to offenders IP addresses when combating piracy.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39700309]Pretty sure they throttle you on the first warning. And this is bullshit in itself because it refers to offenders IP addresses when combating piracy.[/QUOTE]
Did you actually read the article?
[QUOTE]The parties launched the Center for Copyright Information (CCI) and agreed on a system through which Internet account holders will be warned if their connections are used to commit copyright infringement. After five or six warnings ISPs may then take a variety of repressive measures.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jason3232;39698521]Every time I see stuffs like this I'm glad I live in Hong Kong and don't have to deal with all these bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Hong Kong is not a country you seem to have forgot
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39700336]Did you actually read the article?[/QUOTE]
I did and I misunderstood it, just like you misunderstood my post earlier.
Jokes on you AT&T, you only allow me to have 1.5Mbit connection, that disconnects every 5 minutes. I couldn't pirate if I wanted to..
[QUOTE=Kyo;39700178]Much easier said then done. At least in the area I live in, Comcast is essentially the only ISP that offers service to where I live, so anyone here is shit out of luck if they wanna switch.[/QUOTE]
Verizon fios is the only ISP that's actually good in America. Swapping to anything else would be a [B]huge [/B]downgrade. Especially since I have it.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39700628]Verizon fios is the only ISP that's actually good in America. Swapping to anything else would be a [B]huge [/B]downgrade. Especially since I have it.[/QUOTE]
Where I live I only have two ISP choices. Bright House and Verizon Fios. I used to have Bright House but they kept throttling me for downloading anything at all. So I would download steam games and boom speed is suddenly a few kb/s... When I called them to complain they said "Go to this website and tell us what it reads." That website was their version of speed test. It read what they should be giving me, but when I went to a real speed test site it read a few kb/s. I told them this and they said I am wrong. That's when I switched to Verizon. Much better service, less dickery. The Six Strikes system will be annoying though if they count legal torrents that content owners provide. I'll just have to hope that isn't the case.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;39699901]So with a dynamic IP, I'm pretty much safe from this? Good job, cable companies, literally giving me the means to subvert your shit systems.[/QUOTE]
You're very wrong. It's not difficult to pinpoint who had what IP at what time.
[QUOTE=Gnomical;39700689]Where I live I only have two ISP choices. Bright House and Verizon Fios. I used to have Bright House but they kept throttling me for downloading anything at all. So I would download steam games and boom speed is suddenly a few kb/s... When I called them to complain they said "Go to this website and tell us what it reads." That website was their version of speed test. It read what they should be giving me, but when I went to a real speed test site it read a few kb/s. I told them this and they said I am wrong. That's when I switched to Verizon. Much better service, less dickery. The Six Strikes system will be annoying though if they count legal torrents that content owners provide. I'll just have to hope that isn't the case.[/QUOTE]
That plus Verizon is honest about their download speeds, at least more than other people. They might not be totally accuracy but her.
[img]http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/08/03/fcc-chart-updated-4e39641-intro.png[/img]
can you really go wrong with that? (thats from the FCC a while ago)
Now imagine if Fios started doing shit you didn't like. You just [I]can't [/I]swap out from them, they're the only ones that aren't complete cocks. So, whoever says "Just swap out if you don't like what they're doing"... your statement is wrong.
[QUOTE=archangel125;39697592]Welcome to the Police States of America.[/QUOTE]
Yea stopping theft is so oppressive.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39700723]That plus Verizon is honest about their download speeds, at least more than other people. They might not be totally accuracy but her.
[img]http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/08/03/fcc-chart-updated-4e39641-intro.png[/img]
can you really go wrong with that? (thats from the FCC a while ago)
Now imagine if Fios started doing shit you didn't like. You just [I]can't [/I]swap out from them, they're the only ones that aren't complete cocks. So, whoever says "Just swap out if you don't like what they're doing"... your statement is wrong.[/QUOTE]
I think that is bogus, my Comcast connection dips down to 25mbp/s during the day, but at night it's at 35mbp/s
How do I make my own ISP company? I'm serious what do I need and i'll consider to make a cheap fast one.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39696187]lol this just in IP addresses are people[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriI&feature=player_detailpage#t=41s[/media]
[editline]24th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MR-X;39696362]If they start capping your speeds for no legit reason like that simply void out the contract right? Seeing as they're not holding their end. Like people who pay for whatever amount of unlimited mbs download speeds right?[/QUOTE]
The unfortunate truth is that when you sign up for internet, the contract states that the speed you pay for is not guaranteed, and they can change it at any time. At least both times I've started an internet connection this has been the case.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39696506]The government had no place in deciding if certain websites can be blocked, the entertainment industry is doing the correct thing by talking to the ISP's. Governments shouldn't have censorship powers, but a private company can deny you access to certain services if you break the terms of agreement you agreed to by using their service[/QUOTE]
This is why regulation should exist and this should not be a "free market".
I can call whoever the hell I want on my phone. The company is paid to provide a service, and is forced to be blind to my usage. The net should be the same.
I'm glad that ISP's in Australia fight for the freedom of their users.
Sure we ban everything else that comes into the country, have to wear helmets while riding push bikes by law. But at least downloading Linux distros is allowed.
Too bad net speed here is too slow to do any.
Last night, lying in bed, I was thinking about this whole piracy thing, and I was thinking, what if, instead of sending letters demanding a lot of money, the copyright holders send a letter offering to sell them the album or movie or whatever legally?
I don't know, it's a silly idea, but it may be silly enough to work.
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39701531]Last night, lying in bed, I was thinking about this whole piracy thing, and I was thinking, what if, instead of sending letters demanding a lot of money, the copyright holders send a letter offering to sell them the album or movie or whatever legally?
I don't know, it's a silly idea, but it may be silly enough to work.[/QUOTE]
yeah most people are going to ignore that
unless you mean like the isp gives you it legally and pays the copyright holder the money like they did in that one book with pigspleen or whatever
I still think you should just be fined instead of sued for an exorbitant amount of money.
Like you'll have to pay a decent amount of money for as long as you're caught downloading shit, but in this case it's better to be slapped in the face for as long as you do it, instead of having your life ruined.
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39701531]Last night, lying in bed, I was thinking about this whole piracy thing, and I was thinking, what if, instead of sending letters demanding a lot of money, the copyright holders send a letter offering to sell them the album or movie or whatever legally?
I don't know, it's a silly idea, but it may be silly enough to work.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the article? Because if you did, you would realize that's exactly what they're doing.
[QUOTE]The website explains how the copyright alert system works and lists places where people can download and stream music and movies legally. It also lists details about the appeals process for people who want to dispute one of the warnings.[/QUOTE]
This is going to have no affect whatsoever. I'm not worried at all. This is just dick waving, at best.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;39702008]I still think you should just be fined instead of sued for an exorbitant amount of money.
Like you'll have to pay a decent amount of money for as long as you're caught downloading shit, but in this case it's better to be slapped in the face for as long as you do it, instead of having your life ruined.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean that, something like what you'd pay for a parking ticket, plus opportunity to buy the copyright thing legally.
[editline]24th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39702116]Did you read the article? Because if you did, you would realize that's exactly what they're doing.[/QUOTE]
For some reason I completely missed that part
[QUOTE=Ericson666;39699786]Huh? I know you like painting yourself as David versus the veritable Goliath that is a corrupt government and such...but the government isn't even involved here.
These are private companies making deals with other private companies, which last time I checked, is perfectly fine and legal. If you don't like the business practices of your ISP, send them a message by [B]switching to someone else[/B][/QUOTE]
It's easy to tell someone that, but what if all the providers in their area do the same shit? What do they do then, move someplace else?
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;39703256]It's easy to tell someone that, but what if all the providers in their area do the same shit? What do they do then, move someplace else?[/QUOTE]
This isn't aimed directly at you, but I find it kind of odd how quickly some people in this thread go from claiming it won't stop piracy at all because it's easily circumvented to worrying about what they're going to do when every ISP implements it. Seems kind of contradictory.
[QUOTE=Gnomical;39700689]Where I live I only have two ISP choices. Bright House and Verizon Fios.[B] I used to have Bright House but they kept throttling me for downloading anything at all. So I would download steam games and boom speed is suddenly a few kb/s... When I called them to complain they said "Go to this website and tell us what it reads." That website was their version of speed test. It read what they should be giving me, but when I went to a real speed test site it read a few kb/s.[/B] I told them this and they said I am wrong. That's when I switched to Verizon. Much better service, less dickery. The Six Strikes system will be annoying though if they count legal torrents that content owners provide. I'll just have to hope that isn't the case.[/QUOTE]
I have that exact same problem with Comcast
I don't trust the RIAA/MPAA not to slap a few strikes on me just because there's P2P traffic coming in and out of my house. Guess what that P2P traffic is? World of Warcraft patches.
[QUOTE=J!NX;39700723][img]http://static.arstechnica.net/2011/08/03/fcc-chart-updated-4e39641-intro.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I'd like to state that I'm getting about 100% download speed out of my ISP (Frontier) whereas that graph says the average is 85%.
Not sure why that is (perhaps because we're the only fiber customer in this neighborhood, or maybe they just oversell their lines a bit), but there ya go.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;39703256]It's easy to tell someone that, but what if all the providers in their area do the same shit? What do they do then, move someplace else?[/QUOTE]
If literally everyone accepts it, maybe there's a reason for that. While wholesale banning of torrents is a bad idea, anti-piracy measures are important. Instead of throwing a huge fit whenever the entertainment industry tries to stop piracy (most people here didn't read the article because they're using blatantly false "facts", this is actually a pretty reasonable idea), then of course the industry is going to think consumers are greedy pigs who require supervision. I'm sure if the entertainment industry heads and the technology industry heads got together, we could find an effective anti-piracy solution that doesn't hurt consumers.
What constitutes a "strike", and how is it enforced? Does torrenting in general make a strike? What about watching a YouTube video with copyrighted content? Also, how do users tell what is and isn't copyrighted on the internet, as most are uninformed. For instance, many YouTube videos use copyrighted content, and you wouldn't know it until actually watching.
This whole issue is a shit-flinging contest, seriously
Pirates pirate things, companies respond with DRM/issuing copyright infringement, pirates bitch and use that as an excuse to pirate more
both sides are absolutely fucking wrong, jesus
I still don't understand how this is any different from how its been going lately... are they actually monitoring torrents themselves?
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;39704320]What constitutes a "strike", and how is it enforced?[/QUOTE]
A strike is based on an accusation of copyright infringement from a rights holder.
No, they don't have to actually prove it in court or anything.
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