• “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Starts Monday in the US
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So. Rather than complain and argue and such, what do we do to circumvent this?
[QUOTE=Solomon;39711943]So. Rather than complain and argue and such, what do we do to circumvent this?[/QUOTE] Don't use all those shitty ISP's? They're literally all the worst ISP's available.
[QUOTE=Aetna;39713314]Don't use all those shitty ISP's? They're literally all the worst ISP's available.[/QUOTE] Some of us don't have a choice. In my area, either there's dial up, satellite (works in sunny weather only and tends to have download limits), or a wifi system provided by a local company who gets their stuff from AT&T.
Heh. I have an ISP which could care less that I pirate and I'm american. But fuck anti pirates. They actually do shit thats worse, they pretend to "seed" and slip in fake files in a torrent/a torrent virus with file (for example, you are weedbong420, you are downloading CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4, there are other people who are downloading it or have completed it, and are sharing the info so you download faster. Lets say a fake downloader, aka anti pirate comes. he uploads fake shit and viruses to CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4. holy shit I explained something that people know)
I'm somewhat indifferent on this. Automated systems are known to generate false results. In AV programs, false positives are better than false negatives, but for this system either false result is bad. I'm not too terribly worried about it, mostly because I don't pirate anymore, I buy stuff I want now or get a friend to gift it to me. Also the fact that I live in the middle of nowhere makes it a lower chance to have the same IP as someone so, there's that. Still don't know why they would try and use IPs that almost every customer now gets dynamically...
[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;39713702]Some of us don't have a choice. In my area, either there's dial up, satellite (works in sunny weather only and tends to have download limits), or a wifi system provided by a local company who gets their stuff from AT&T.[/QUOTE] In my very specific area, there's literally only one ISP. If you walk down the road and take the first turn, you can get something respectable. On this and only this road, the only option you're given is a shitty satellite Internet that caps you at 30 gigs a month and overcharges horribly. It wouldn't be so bad if I was living by myself, but I'm sharing the house with three other people, so I'm limited to about 333 MB a day.
[QUOTE=weedscopes;39713972]Heh. I have an ISP which could care less that I pirate and I'm american. But fuck anti pirates. They actually do shit thats worse, they pretend to "seed" and slip in fake files in a torrent/a torrent virus with file (for example, you are weedbong420, you are downloading CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4, there are other people who are downloading it or have completed it, and are sharing the info so you download faster. Lets say a fake downloader, aka anti pirate comes. he uploads fake shit and viruses to CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4. holy shit I explained something that people know)[/QUOTE] While viruses are taking it too far, I don't think it's fair to complain that people are spamming the [I]free[/I] way to get things with empty files. By not paying, you're taking the risk that you just wasted however long it takes to download.
I was under the impression that it had to match up to a hashfile and if it doesnt it would discard it. Edit: I mean about the torrent viruses
[QUOTE=weedscopes;39713972]But fuck anti pirates. They actually do shit thats worse, they pretend to "seed" and slip in fake files in a torrent/a torrent virus with file (for example, you are weedbong420, you are downloading CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4, there are other people who are downloading it or have completed it, and are sharing the info so you download faster. Lets say a fake downloader, aka anti pirate comes. he uploads fake shit and viruses to CELINE DION PORNOTAPE.MP4. holy shit I explained something that people know)[/QUOTE] 'how dare someone make my illegal piracy less convenient' What's next, thieves complaining that ink from anti-theft devices ruins their clothes and furniture?
I once had a medical device that would make anti-theft things in stores (the ones they put by doors that make loud alarms) go haywire. Nobody could figure out why. Fortunately I only needed it for a little while.
Shit. I'm glad I stopped. [editline]25th February 2013[/editline] Err... stopped downloading Linux Distros, of course. [editline]25th February 2013[/editline] [sp]Sorry.[/sp]
The thing that worries me is that they simply say "copyright infringement." That's a term that has been used outside of pirating stuff, so what if you made a Youtube video that has a song that's copyrighted? Fair Use, yeah, but if you look at Youtube's history they clearly don't give a shit about Fair Use. What if you made some fan art or a fan game? They could give you a strike for that. Regardless of piracy, this deal is pretty fucking terrible.
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39715035]I was under the impression that it had to match up to a hashfile and if it doesnt it would discard it. Edit: I mean about the torrent viruses[/QUOTE] This is true. Bittorrent as a protocol, is designed to be resistant to that type of attack. Most of the companies that were connecting to swarms and injecting fake data were using a modified version of Azereus, from back before the name switched to Vuze, and they were wasting metric fuck tons of bandwidth (hundreds/thousands of Mb/s) to hinder, not even stop, swarms of a few hundred, or few thousand people. They weren't injecting viruses. Just random garbage data. It's exceedingly difficult to saturate a moderately large swarm with enough bad data that it doesn't work. You can slow down the average download speed significantly, but actually rendering the swarm unable to function is unbelievably difficult. In terms of the actual resources required to pull something like this off, it's generally easier to simply try and saturate a site with fake uploads to begin with.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;39716291] What if you made some fan art or a fan game? They could give you a strike for that. Regardless of piracy, this deal is pretty fucking terrible.[/QUOTE] Fanart is not a copyright issue, it's trademark issue. Unless you stole parts of your fan art/game from other places.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39716713]Fanart is not a copyright issue, it's trademark issue. Unless you stole parts of your fan art/game from other places.[/QUOTE] They'd probably try to get away with that anyways.
[QUOTE=Paramud;39714780]In my very specific area, there's literally only one ISP. If you walk down the road and take the first turn, you can get something respectable. On this and only this road, the only option you're given is a shitty satellite Internet that caps you at 30 gigs a month and overcharges horribly. It wouldn't be so bad if I was living by myself, but I'm sharing the house with three other people, so I'm limited to about 333 MB a day.[/QUOTE] When we had satellite, it was 8 gigs, rolling. It never reset. The only way to get it to go down was the unplug the system completely for several days because when it was plugged in, it'd still run up the bandwidth just by chattering back and both.
The likelihood of the people getting a strike is just as likely as them getting a warning/fine for pirating, from what I understand. If they can't pick up piracy that people pull off on a whim then, I don't see how this is much different at all.
So what are the techniques of detecting piracy? What about encryption? Some bittorrent traffic is encrypted, so if people update their clients and use encrypted transmissions, this whole thing is circumvented if the ISPs haven't taken encryption into count, VPNs aren't even necessary. This ridiculous cat and mouse play is only going to hurt a small amount of people, most of who have nothing to do with piracy.
[QUOTE=Chocolate1234;39717418]They'd probably try to get away with that anyways.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter, trademarks are different and this system has nothing to do with them.
Why don't we all just sign this and see what happens? [url]https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-cas-copyright-alert-system/KjBZN4mV[/url]
[QUOTE=Winded;39720274]So what are the techniques of detecting piracy? What about encryption? Some bittorrent traffic is encrypted, so if people update their clients and use encrypted transmissions, this whole thing is circumvented if the ISPs haven't taken encryption into count, VPNs aren't even necessary. This ridiculous cat and mouse play is only going to hurt a small amount of people, most of who have nothing to do with piracy.[/QUOTE] Even if you have encryption enabled, these types of things are usually detected by someone connecting to the swarm and harvesting IPs, but that's another point entirely. Unless you are using a VPN, the fact that you are torrenting is glaringly obvious. What you are torrenting isn't strictly speaking easy to tell without connecting to you, but bittorrent is a stupidly chatty protocol. Even if you are using a VPN, the fact that you are uploading so much is usually a pretty good indicator. Few people are going to be uploading large chunks of data for days on end if they aren't torrenting. Nothing besides bittorrent is going to open 500 connections, or at least nothing that a typical residential user is going to use does.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39729519]Even if you have encryption enabled, these types of things are usually detected by someone connecting to the swarm and harvesting IPs, but that's another point entirely. Unless you are using a VPN, the fact that you are torrenting is glaringly obvious. What you are torrenting isn't strictly speaking easy to tell without connecting to you, but bittorrent is a stupidly chatty protocol. Even if you are using a VPN, the fact that you are uploading so much is usually a pretty good indicator. Few people are going to be uploading large chunks of data for days on end if they aren't torrenting. Nothing besides bittorrent is going to open 500 connections, or at least nothing that a typical residential user is going to use does.[/QUOTE] The question is whether they'll be just looking for torrent traffic, or analyzing that traffic to see what it is. A lot of legitimate data is distributed via torrents- definitely the extreme minority, but it's there, and as ham-handed as telecom corporations tend to be I'd be very surprised if they just shut down all torrent traffic.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;39729519]Even if you have encryption enabled, these types of things are usually detected by someone connecting to the swarm and harvesting IPs, but that's another point entirely. Unless you are using a VPN, the fact that you are torrenting is glaringly obvious. What you are torrenting isn't strictly speaking easy to tell without connecting to you, but bittorrent is a stupidly chatty protocol. Even if you are using a VPN, the fact that you are uploading so much is usually a pretty good indicator. Few people are going to be uploading large chunks of data for days on end if they aren't torrenting. Nothing besides bittorrent is going to open 500 connections, or at least nothing that a typical residential user is going to use does.[/QUOTE] Yes, they are looking at torrent downloaders already, by simply being one of the peers. it isn't difficult to find out which peers is your client downloading from or uploading to. But ISPs aren't really needed for that. So they are basically partnering up with ISPs just to easily find out where these IP addresses are located? And just because someone is downloading or uploading lots of data and having 500 open connections isnt enough proof in any way for piracy. Someone could be streaming HD livestream or video, or run some sort of web service? But yeah, bittorrent is indeed a chatty protocol, and not very good for privacy.
[QUOTE=catbarf;39731007].....as ham-handed as telecom corporations tend to be I'd be very surprised if they just shut down all torrent traffic.[/QUOTE] Comcast would inject fake packets to force disconnects if you were torrenting. Didn't matter what it was, you'd get your net destroyed. [QUOTE=Winded;39736351]And just because someone is downloading or uploading lots of data and having 500 open connections isnt enough proof in any way for piracy. Someone could be streaming HD livestream or video, or run some sort of web service? But yeah, bittorrent is indeed a chatty protocol, and not very good for privacy.[/QUOTE] Streams are not peer to peer, and don't open thousands of connections. Most non business packages also prohibit running servers.
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