• Creationist teachers hijacking science teaching in Australia
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[QUOTE=Faren;23748546]When I saw the thread title I said, [B]"What the fuck? How could this even happen?"[/B] Then I saw it was in Queensland.[/QUOTE] I am from Queensland. :golfclap:
[QUOTE=The Aussie;23748574]What the hell Zeketwo, eating shellfish makes you go to hell? I was never taught that shit.[/QUOTE] [i]"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)[/i] The same word "abomination" is applied to sodomy as well, which is where my "it makes you go to hell" conclusion comes from. Interestingly, that quote could also apply to a cow that's standing in water.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;23748590]I am from Queensland. :golfclap:[/QUOTE] I was born in Queensland, pretty much straight away moved to Sunbury for a few years, then went back to Queensland until 2003 and I now live in Victoria. I saw the first non-white person I'd ever seen in 2003. Queensland is filled with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan"]bogans[/URL].
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;23748472]I'm waiting for someone to do like in Dune and make a new Bible adapting it to today's world or something, leaving behind whatever retarded bullshit remains.[/QUOTE] the problem with that is that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to get people to accept it (the current bible says it's an unforgivable sin to make changes to the bible)
[QUOTE=Faren;23748629] I saw the first non-white person I'd ever in 2003. Queensland is filled with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan"]bogans[/URL].[/QUOTE] I find the concept of Australian rednecks hilarious.
Please let it be known to the rest of the world that a study conducted on the beliefs of Queenslanders does not represent Australians. New South Wales and (especially) Victoria are quite progressive. Queensland tends to be a bit behind the times.
[QUOTE=Faren;23748629]I was born in Queensland, pretty much straight away moved to Sunbury for a few years, then went back to Queensland until 2003 and I now live in Victoria. I saw the first non-white person I'd ever in 2003. Queensland is filled with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan"]bogans[/URL].[/QUOTE] I was born in Vic, my Mum's from Ql dad's from Vic (props if you can tell me what Bendigo is)
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23748651] (the current bible says it's an unforgivable sin to make changes to the bible)[/QUOTE] How clever! I have a better idea, instead of changing the Bible, lets just throw it into a box and forget about it altogether!
[QUOTE=Faren;23748664]Please let it be known to the rest of the world that a study conducted on the beliefs of Queenslanders does not represent Australians. New South Wales and (especially) Victoria are quite progressive. Queensland tends to be a bit behind the times.[/QUOTE] The don't use daylight saving, its fucking hell for posties [editline]11:18AM[/editline] [quote=eudoxia;23748687]how clever! I have a better idea, instead of changing the bible, lets just throw it into a box and forget about it altogether![/quote] mormon!
[QUOTE=The Aussie;23748682]I was born in Vic, my Mum's from Ql dad's from Vic (props if you can tell me what Bendigo is)[/QUOTE] Props if I can tell you what Bendigo is? I live in Victoria. How could I not know what/where Bendigo is? [editline]11:21AM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Aussie;23748694]The don't use daylight saving, its fucking hell for posties [editline]11:18AM[/editline] mormon![/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nodaylightsavingqld.com/Faded.htm[/url] ?
[QUOTE=Faren;23748734]Props if I can tell you what Bendigo is? I live in Victoria. How could I not know what/where Bendigo is? [editline]11:21AM[/editline] [url]http://www.nodaylightsavingqld.com/Faded.htm[/url] ?[/QUOTE] Yay I live in Canberra atm. Everyones like "so where do you come from?" "Bendigo" "Where the fuck is that" " You know MASSIVE GOLD RUSH TOWN!" "Oh, you mean Ballarat" "...."
[QUOTE=The Aussie;23748539]In my RE class we don't learn this creationism shit.I am Catholic BTW.We learn about other religions and what Jesus taught us. Even if he isn't real we still learn about good morals and stuff, not force feeding us information God is real. I personally believe in God, and someone quotes me telling me I am a idiot or God isn't real. You are the same as a Mormon, forcing your beliefs upon others.[/QUOTE] thats not why mormons are stupid btw they're stupid because they believe in the most retarded buttfucked version of history ever concieved next to scientology.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23745924]I thought they banned science and religion because both were too violent?[/QUOTE] Eh, I think my primary school now provides Science classes. When I went there it didn't, but looking at the school course outline, It does now.
[QUOTE]Students have been told Noah collected dinosaur eggs to bring on the Ark, and Adam and Eve were not eaten by dinosaurs because they were under a protective spell.[/QUOTE] Best bit.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;23748842]Yay I live in Canberra atm. Everyones like "so where do you come from?" "Bendigo" "Where the fuck is that" " You know MASSIVE GOLD RUSH TOWN!" "Oh, you mean Ballarat" "...."[/QUOTE] Ballarat > Bendigo, we've got Sovereign Hill. About the religious discussion though, the Bible and christianity isn't completely useless but it's still very limited in it's uses. As a literal book of laws and history, it is absolutely barbaric, outdated, dogmatic, innacurate, misleading and corrupting. Although no-one is arguing that it should be used as such except fundamentalists. As a set of morals and philosophy, it is quite basic and provides a semi-controversial set of morals making it adequate for someone who has never experienced anything similar eg. primitive societies and uneducated idiots. When the Bible is compared to other works though, it is very poor philosophicaly and the morals taught give no justification making it a bad substitute for actual philosophy.
*slams fist against table* WHAT? [editline]02:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;23751467]Ballarat > Bendigo, we've got Sovereign Hill. About the religious discussion though, the Bible and christianity isn't completely useless but it's still very limited in it's uses. As a literal book of laws and history, it is absolutely barbaric, outdated, dogmatic, innacurate, misleading and corrupting. Although no-one is arguing that it should be used as such except fundamentalists. As a set of morals and philosophy, it is quite basic and provides a semi-controversial set of morals making it adequate for someone who has never experienced anything similar eg. primitive societies and uneducated idiots. When the Bible is compared to other works though, it is very poor philosophicaly and the morals taught give no justification making it a bad substitute for actual philosophy.[/QUOTE] Melbourne (as in actual Melbourne, not surrounding suburbs and shit) > everywhere that isn't Melbourne
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23747868]Because if Genesis is taken "non literally", then the rest of the bible becomes a huge fucking metaphor as well. It's the foundation in which everything is based upon. Catholics would know this if you know, they ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE. I have yet to meet a SINGLE catholic under the age of 60 that has read the first chapter of the bible.[/QUOTE] You have no understanding of the Catholic faith. Genesis is, if anything, a historical record of peoples' beliefs over the ages. The Catholic Church does not interpret this literally. What they DO interpret literally is the life of Jesus Christ - that's all.
[QUOTE=ZF911;23746237]No, Christians/Creationists believe Dinosaurs and Men were created at the same time(a day apart if you want to be specific), and after some hardships Dinosaurs became extinct like any other animal. And about Noah, Creationists believe Noah's Ark took place when Dinosaurs still roamed the Earth, and Noah was instructed to collect two of each animal, excluding fish. And Dinosaurs were included in that two. Whether they were eggs or not I've never heard either way, I assumed they were living dinosaurs, babies maybe.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_czc1O9-t1Xc/SmWNOAUdZ-I/AAAAAAAACPQ/Pd_FANi08BU/s320/Jurassic+Ark.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=JDK721;23746219]so you're a Catholic that doesn't believe in creationism?[/QUOTE] not every christian is a creationist....
[QUOTE=RAYHALO;23753451][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_czc1O9-t1Xc/SmWNOAUdZ-I/AAAAAAAACPQ/Pd_FANi08BU/s320/Jurassic+Ark.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] this image amuses me
None of the schools I've been to at my town do this...even the catholic one.
Gah, when will people realise that religeon should be a personal choice, not taught widespread. I mean, they should learn what all religeons ARE, and the basics of each one, but then be left to make their own descision, whether or not to believe in something. [editline]09:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=P@rky;23753777]not every christian is a creationist....[/QUOTE] Wait, what. If you believe in God as your religeon assumes you do, how could you not believe in creationism? You can't label yourself as something you're not. That's like someone saying "I'm an atheist, but I believe in Allah anyway." Invent a new name for your variation. Otherwise you'll be called out on it all the time.
[QUOTE=OvB;23745989]School is no place for religion. [editline]05:47PM[/editline] Maybe in mythology study.[/QUOTE] But what about Islamic class in schools in Arab countries?(It's only compulsory for those who are Muslim already) On a side note,Muslims can't really be called creationist since we do believe Allah created the world in six "days" but the word for days in Arabic can mean any amount of time,so he might mean 6 billion years or so.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;23748472] I'm waiting for someone to do like in Dune and make a new Bible adapting it to today's world or something, leaving behind whatever retarded bullshit remains.[/QUOTE] Maybe we should just stop making up superstitious bullshit? [editline]10:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=killkill85;23754887]But what about Islamic class in schools in Arab countries?(It's only compulsory for those who are Muslim already) On a side note,Muslims can't really be called creationist since we do believe Allah created the world in six "days" but the word for days in Arabic can mean any amount of time,so he might mean 6 billion years or so.[/QUOTE] Christians use the same argument, that the word "day" can mean ages in Hebrew. There are still millions of muslim creationists. There is actually a higher percentage of muslim creationists than christian.
[QUOTE=killkill85;23754887]But what about Islamic class in schools in Arab countries?(It's only compulsory for those who are Muslim already) On a side note,Muslims can't really be called creationist since we do believe Allah created the world in six "days" but the word for days in Arabic can mean any amount of time,so he might mean 6 billion years or so.[/QUOTE] of course that doesn't fucking work because absolutely nothing was created in that time. Hell, nothing was really "created" at the time of the big bang either, it was just shit that was already there expanding and cooling. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that anything ever "came into existence" at any time.
[QUOTE=robowurmz;23754348] Wait, what. If you believe in God as your religeon assumes you do, how could you not believe in creationism? You can't label yourself as something you're not. That's like someone saying "I'm an atheist, but I believe in Allah anyway." Invent a new name for your variation. Otherwise you'll be called out on it all the time.[/QUOTE] That's a retarded argument. The catholic Church does not treat the Old Testatement as something to be taken literally, only the New Testatement and the life of Jesus, as someone above said. Why? Because they aren't fundamentalists. Christians aren't Christians because they follow every last letter of the Bible. They are Christians because they believe God exists, Jesus lived, and follow the christian morals (for the most part, duh. But Catholics always tended to drift away a bit from strict morals in everyday life since ever... And don't come with the Old Fucking testatement of barbarism again, because that's, I will admit it, BARBARIC. The ten commandments is the only part that's of use.) I, for one, believe the universe formed by the Big Boom, and life formed by Evolution. Does that make me an atheist? Nope, because I believe God played a role in all this. Does that make me non-catholic? Nope, becauise I was raised as a catholic, I follow the Catholic church, I (rarely) go to a Catholic mass on sunday, and I consider myself Catholic. And no one in the catholic church ever said Evolution conflicts with faith. ( Read this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution[/url] ) I am Catholic because I consider myself one, and YOU aren't in a position to tell ME what I am.
[QUOTE=Géza!;23759103]That's a retarded argument. The catholic Church does not treat the Old Testatement as something to be taken literally, only the New Testatement and the life of Jesus, as someone above said. Why? Because they aren't fundamentalists. Christians aren't Christians because they follow every last letter of the Bible. They are Christians because they believe God exists, Jesus lived, and follow the christian morals (for the most part, duh. But Catholics always tended to drift away a bit from strict morals in everyday life since ever... And don't come with the Old Fucking testatement of barbarism again, because that's, I will admit it, BARBARIC. The ten commandments is the only part that's of use.) I, for one, believe the universe formed by the Big Boom, and life formed by Evolution. Does that make me an atheist? Nope, because I believe God played a role in all this. Does that make me non-catholic? Nope, becauise I was raised as a catholic, I follow the Catholic church, I (rarely) go to a Catholic mass on sunday, and I consider myself Catholic. And no one in the catholic church ever said Evolution conflicts with faith. ( Read this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution[/url] ) I am Catholic because I consider myself one, and YOU aren't in a position to tell ME what I am.[/QUOTE] yes the big boom and i personally also love astronomologology and pluncks inconstant nice logic there, by the way. "Yeah I believe the Bible is from God. Except for where I disagree with it in which case it's not."
[QUOTE=Géza!;23747795]You are as big of a moron as creationists, cause they say the same, just they say it for a different purpose. The original sin, Adam and Eve and all that, IS A FUCKING PHILOSOPHICAL ALLEGORY. No catholic on these parts doubts that it didn't happen word-to-word like that (Even priests), yet they are still Catholics, because they believe in God and Jesus. [b]Religious faith is not about grasping onto stupid details like moronic asshats from America do. It's about accepting the general message of morals and loving every human being to an extent, and believing that a god of sorts exists, and Jesus was his son/messenger/all that. This conflicts with accepting science and what we know of the creation of the Universe NOWHERE.[/b] Every religious person here would agree with me on this. And it's not you who tells me if I'm a catholic or not.[/QUOTE] The bible is not a book of Allegories. In that time frame, such sophistication in literature was at its very beginning. Read the bible. You haven't read it. It makes direct connections to the real world, gives SPECIFIC numbers and amounts (such as the EXACT amount of men, mules, and women (respectively) taken as booty for pillaging). It tells you the amount of time it took god to "create" things, and in the specific order. It gives direct instructions on how to do things. There is absolutely NO WAY the bible is an allegory. You have just created this theory with your own mind without reading the book, because if you did, you would know that it is impossible for the book to be an allegory. And it's not me to tell you if you're Catholic or not. You can call yourself the reincarnation of elvis for all I care. In the end you're just calling yourself something you're not. Admitting to it is your own decision.
[QUOTE=Géza!;23759103]I, for one, believe the universe formed by the [b]Big Boom[/b][/QUOTE] oh my :v: do you really even know the details of what happened during the big bang?
[quote=Géza!]This conflicts with accepting science and what we know of the creation of the Universe NOWHERE.[/quote] Except from all the parts that does ie. all the magic parts.
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