Creationist teachers hijacking science teaching in Australia
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[QUOTE=wonkadonk;23761910]oh my :v:
do you really even know the details of what happened during the big bang?[/QUOTE]
What's this "Big Bang" you speak of?
It it anything like a Pedobyte?
There's something ridiculous about both theories of our creation.
For Big Bang it's the obvious of "how did it come to exist in the first place"
And for God it's the same question, so the flaws of both "truths" are the same.
Except the Big Bang theory doesn't say anything about how everything came into existence, only how the universe expanded.
Good try though.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23762366]There's something ridiculous about both theories of our creation.
For Big Bang it's the obvious of "how did it come to exist in the first place"
And for God it's the same question, so the flaws of both "truths" are the same.[/QUOTE]
The Big Bang was a phenomenon that affected already existing material.
It's not a fucking creation story. It's referred to as the beginning of existence for purely practical reasons.
I'm sick of you people getting this shit wrong. Read a fucking book.
Asking what was before the big bang is a completely meaningless question in the sense of saying, "What's north of north?" It just doesn't have any meaning to us, we probably will never be able to know what happened before it, if there even was a was before it.
Sorry about the bad writing, but there's no elegant way to describe cosmology in words.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23762514]Asking what was before the big bang is a completely meaningless question in the sense of saying, "What's north of north?" It just doesn't have any meaning to us, we probably will never be able to know what happened before it, if there even was a was before it.
Sorry about the bad writing, but there's no elegant way to describe cosmology in words.[/QUOTE]
if you wanna get technical the big bang is cosmogony
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23762514]Asking what was before the big bang is a completely meaningless question in the sense of saying, "What's north of north?" It just doesn't have any meaning to us, we probably will never be able to know what happened before it, if there even was a was before it.
Sorry about the bad writing, but there's no elegant way to describe cosmology in words.[/QUOTE]
...Because before the big bang, all of existence was condensed into a singularity. And in a singularity, the laws of physics, logic, and time break down. So it's impossible to make sense of anything.
It's like trying to find up in a two dimensional plane, or trying to make sense of The Room.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;23762410]Except the Big Bang theory doesn't say anything about how everything came into existence, only how the universe expanded.
Good try though.[/QUOTE]
The Big Bang is the prevailing cosmological theory of the early development of the universe.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;23762449]The Big Bang was a phenomenon that affected already existing material.
It's not a fucking creation story. It's referred to as the beginning of existence for purely practical reasons.
I'm sick of you people getting this shit wrong. Read a fucking book.[/QUOTE]
Yeah uh, you didn't disprove me, I used the wrong word, but the question is still "how did it all come to exist in the first place"
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23762891]The Big Bang is the prevailing cosmological theory of the early development of the universe.[/QUOTE]
And has nothing to do with the creation of matter or space.
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[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23762891]Yeah uh, you didn't disprove me, I used the wrong word, but the question is still "how did it all come to exist in the first place"[/QUOTE]
Which isn't a problem that has ANYTHING to do with the big bang whatsoever.
Not to mention you're asking a leading question that assumes that matter ever even had a beginning.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;23762891]The Big Bang is the prevailing cosmological theory of the early development of the universe.
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Yeah uh, you didn't disprove me, I used the wrong word, but the question is still "how did it all come to exist in the first place"[/QUOTE]
Again, the big bang theory has nothing to do with where things came from before that, it's like saying because evolution describes the early and continued development of life, that evolution includes abiogenesis. It just doesn't; they are two discreet theories.
It seems that a lot of threads in the news have been turning into shitstorms, especially ones about religion.
OT:
The incident with the little girl is astounding. How can a grown man say that DNA hadn't been invented yet?
I read the title was cretinous
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;23745882]"But the teacher replied that DNA wasn't invented then."
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N... No... Not invented?! DNA is the cornerstone of organic lifeforms! It can't be motherfucking invented because it's a motherfucking chemical substance generated by our breeding patterns and mutations...
NOT MOTHERFUCKING INVENTED?! If DN-Motherfucking-A wasn't invented, that would mean Adam and Eve would just be two puddles of green motherfucking goo! Because that's what all living forms were at first! I'm offended over how a grown motherfucking man can say that to a child and not be arrested for blasphemy!
...Motherfuckers...
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;23748568]There's probably some type of explanation for it but damned if I know. If I had to pull an answer out of my ass I'd say that it's because people back then didn't know how to cook seafood properly and people were getting sick from it.
Does the bible actually explain this OR the shirt thing?[/QUOTE]
This seems like the best and only true answer. The shirt thing confuses me. Maybe it had to do with a lack of other fabrics, or no one really knowing how to make the other fabrics into clothing all that well?
"Damn IT! This crap won't cooperate... it MUST be from hell!"
Australia, the country that banned L4D2 and other m-rated games, were you expecting anything less?
Edit: They didn't allow them to be sold in australia, my bad
[QUOTE=CupUp;23745966]That's like telling children that they all live in The Matrix.
Sad thing is, they would believe it, if it were told by a "credible" grown-up.[/QUOTE]
Of course they would, they are children. Why would you expect differently?
[QUOTE=Viephemeral;23747868]Because if Genesis is taken "non literally", then the rest of the bible becomes a huge fucking metaphor as well. It's the foundation in which everything is based upon. Catholics would know this if you know, they ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE.
I have yet to meet a SINGLE catholic under the age of 60 that has read the first chapter of the bible.[/QUOTE]
i have yet to meet a single person who's read the entire bible and then stayed a christian
not that anecdotal evidence means anything, mind you
[QUOTE=TAU!;23770549]This seems like the best and only true answer. The shirt thing confuses me. Maybe it had to do with a lack of other fabrics, or no one really knowing how to make the other fabrics into clothing all that well?
"Damn IT! This crap won't cooperate... it MUST be from hell!"[/QUOTE]
Some friends and I had a drunken brainstorm about that one too. The best answer we could come up with was that merchants were selling mixed-fabric clothes as pure silk or something and ripping people off.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;23770861]Australia, the country that banned L4D2 and other m-rated games, were you expecting anything less?[/QUOTE]
do you know anything about what you are saying
[QUOTE=robowurmz;23754348]Gah, when will people realise that religeon should be a personal choice, not taught widespread.
I mean, they should learn what all religeons ARE, and the basics of each one, but then be left to make their own descision, whether or not to believe in something.
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Wait, what.
If you believe in God as your religeon assumes you do, how could you not believe in creationism? You can't label yourself as something you're not. That's like someone saying "I'm an atheist, but I believe in Allah anyway."
Invent a new name for your variation. Otherwise you'll be called out on it all the time.[/QUOTE]
I'm an atheist myself and I can understand the concept of christians substituting in evolution as gods method for producing life
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;23759529]yes the big boom
and i personally also love astronomologology and pluncks inconstant
nice logic there, by the way. "Yeah I believe the Bible is from God. Except for where I disagree with it in which case it's not."[/QUOTE]
you're treating the bible like a book written in an instant its ok for them to choose what to follow, and people mostly use chronologic revelance, e.g. following the new or old testament
[QUOTE=P@rky;23794903]I'm an atheist myself and I can understand the concept of christians substituting in evolution as gods method for producing life
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you're treating the bible like a book written in an instant its ok for them to choose what to follow, and people mostly use chronologic revelance, e.g. following the new or old testament[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if you can understand that, if they take it over the biblical form of the answer, then they're not following the bible like god told them to do, and therefore, aren't christians, or are bad ones at that.
And as for the problem of chronologically picking what to believe, things from the begining are often contradicted by things later on, if you take it to just mean what's written later on, you still have a lot of problems because not a lot of it has any real value. Look at the Qu'ran. It's a beautiful book like the bible, but generally(so i've been told) they take the chronological order of the book to mean what's "most true". That still doesn't make it any less full of shit.
And if you want to talk about using the bible as some book of morals and values, then you're shit out of luck there because unless the metaphor for "Stone disobedient kids" is "Don't stone disobedient kids" it seems pretty fucking wacked for a book of "morals".
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23795004]It doesn't matter if you can understand that, if they take it over the biblical form of the answer, then they're not following the bible like god told them to do, and therefore, aren't christians, or are bad ones at that.
[B]And as for the problem of chronologically picking what to believe, things from the begining are often contradicted by things later on[/B], if you take it to just mean what's written later on, you still have a lot of problems because not a lot of it has any real value. Look at the Qu'ran. It's a beautiful book like the bible, but generally(so i've been told) they take the chronological order of the book to mean what's "most true". That still doesn't make it any less full of shit.
And if you want to talk about using the bible as some book of morals and values, then you're shit out of luck there because unless the metaphor for "Stone disobedient kids" is "Don't stone disobedient kids" it seems pretty fucking wacked for a book of "morals".[/QUOTE]
it's like you finding a big science book which has a lot of metaphors and similes and then someone takin the piss cause you dont take it literally dont be so dumb and ignorant, do you take any of the parables literally????
as for bolded bit lol, many early "facts" are now contradicted by our own modern intepretations...
[QUOTE=P@rky;23795059]it's like you finding a big science book which has a lot of metaphors and similes and then someone takin the piss cause you dont take it literally dont be so dumb and ignorant, do you take any of the parables literally????
as for bolded bit lol, many early "facts" are now contradicted by our own modern intepretations...[/QUOTE]
But we don't still hold on to outdated bits of science. We somehow think that it's ok to hold on to things that are more outdated than those outdated bits of science.
No, [b]I[/b] don't take them literally, or metaphorically. However, SOME people do, and there's a lot of people on each side who each think that it is or isn't literal. Does it matter how I feel at this juncture? Fuck no it doesn't, what does matter is that taking it literally is obviously bad, but you act like taking it metaphorically is ANY better.
Why do people want to cling onto something that is clearly outdated and isn't "allowed" to be updated? Why are you defending bad metaphors?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23795200]But we don't still hold on to outdated bits of science. We somehow think that it's ok to hold on to things that are more outdated than those outdated bits of science.
No, [b]I[/b] don't take them literally, or metaphorically. However, SOME people do, and there's a lot of people on each side who each think that it is or isn't literal. Does it matter how I feel at this juncture? Fuck no it doesn't, what does matter is that taking it literally is obviously bad, but you act like taking it metaphorically is ANY better.
Why do people want to cling onto something that is clearly outdated and isn't "allowed" to be updated? Why are you defending bad metaphors?[/QUOTE]
Some people do (they may be more likely but certainly aren't proven, of course this doesn't apply to the bible) and having their own opinion without it being slandered by some know it all angsty teenager... you either have to interpret the message metaphorically or literally (unless you're not smart enough to understand the message behind them) taking it literally and metaphorically is fine, no better no worse... and what do you mean why do people want to? various reasons they arent some sort of legion of robots, people do because they're mourning, believe it brings them luck or simply want to go to heaven.. whether or not it exists is up to debate but its still a valid reason. why am i defending bad metaphors? i'm not theyre some of the best metaphors to date maybe you should actually read something before insulting it like you would do anything else!
[QUOTE=P@rky;23795286]Some people do (they may be more likely but certainly aren't proven, of course this doesn't apply to the bible) and having their own opinion without it being slandered by some know it all angsty teenager... you either have to interpret the message metaphorically or literally (unless you're not smart enough to understand the message behind them) taking it literally and metaphorically is fine, no better no worse... and what do you mean why do people want to? various reasons they arent some sort of legion of robots, people do because they're mourning, believe it brings them luck or simply want to go to heaven.. whether or not it exists is up to debate but its still a valid reason. why am i defending bad metaphors? i'm not theyre some of the best metaphors to date maybe you should actually read something before insulting it like you would do anything else![/QUOTE]
I've read the bible. I was raised strictly raised catholic. By the time I was 8, I had read the bible many times. I do not think they're good metaphors, I do not think it's a good book to read literally, if you read it solely as a metaphorical book then it does no damage, but the metaphors in it are not wonderful or great. Taking it literally is a terrible thing, I don't see how you can believe that it might be a good thing to believe the earth is 6000 years old, flat, and the centre of the universe like the bible dictates.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23795376]I've read the bible. I was raised strictly raised catholic. By the time I was 8, I had read the bible many times. I do not think they're good metaphors, I do not think it's a good book to read literally, if you read it solely as a metaphorical book then it does no damage, but the metaphors in it are not wonderful or great. Taking it literally is a terrible thing, I don't see how you can believe that it might be a good thing to believe the earth is 6000 years old, flat, and the centre of the universe like the bible dictates.[/QUOTE]
what were you kiddy fiddled as well because you have a lot of unjust hate, i doubt you remember much of the bible. and no im not saying anything is good or bad here im saying it's fine, anyone is entitled to an opinion
I call BS on that 80% do RE classes.
Unless they included Catholic Schools (Kinda like a cheap private school)
[QUOTE=P@rky;23795462]what were you kiddy fiddled as well because you have a lot of unjust hate, i doubt you remember much of the bible. and no im not saying anything is good or bad here im saying it's fine, anyone is entitled to an opinion[/QUOTE]
No, and I've read the bible more recently too.
Yes, you're entitled to an opinion. However, the opinions "Earth is the centre of the universe" or "The earth is 6000 years old" are wrong.
[QUOTE=P@rky;23795462]what were you kiddy fiddled as well[/QUOTE]
he was Catholic so yeah
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23795521]No, and I've read the bible more recently too.
Yes, you're entitled to an opinion. However, the opinions "Earth is the centre of the universe" or "The earth is 6000 years old" are wrong.[/QUOTE]
did i say they werent, its not a bad thing they believe that they dont deserve to be called dumb by some joke of a teenager with child issues. i doubt you've read it recently saying as your accounts everywhere are covered in ATHEISM RULES CREATIONISM SUCKS METAL YEAHHHHHHHHHH (pro tip buddy creationism isn't a belief or lack before you start being a whiny little bitch)
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[QUOTE=Mexican;23795522]he was Catholic so yeah[/QUOTE]
that was the joke thanks for making sure everyone picks it up!
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