• Netflix is going after VPN-using "pirates" after studios complained
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Fuck off. The UK catalogue is pitiful, we get a very small handful of popular US Sitcoms and BBC/Channel 4 stuff, every now and then there's a blockbuster movie from 2 years ago. It's barely making it's £7 a month value, which is rather pitiful.
sometimes I feel like this is how the US gets revenge on me for being canadian I'm sorry :c we're sorry :c
Why do other countries not get the same shows and movies that the USA does? Do the movie studios not want to make money?
[QUOTE=massaki;46849773]Fuck off. The UK catalogue is pitiful, we get a very small handful of popular US Sitcoms and BBC/Channel 4 stuff, every now and then there's a blockbuster movie from 2 years ago. It's barely making it's £7 a month value, which is rather pitiful.[/QUOTE] I often let mine lapse for 2-3 months because of how shitty UK library is, i dont need fucking UK shows on it, im tired of our shit as is.
I have my VPN always on my laptop. Guess I'm fucked.
[QUOTE=>VLN<;46849806]Why do other countries not get the same shows and movies that the USA does? Do the movie studios not want to make money?[/QUOTE] So they can make more money... by making... less? wat
So when they block us does it automatically stop our subscription? Or do we have to go and do that ourselves? Isn't there a law or something that says they have to stop the subscription because the person paying is no longer receiving the service? Or does it only block our access if we're using the VPN at the time?
block them and lose their money you fucking dumbasses good business model
[QUOTE=>VLN<;46849806]Why do other countries not get the same shows and movies that the USA does? Do the movie studios not want to make money?[/QUOTE] Trademarks, licensing, advertisement deals, contract stipulations, and a million legal hurdles. They do want to make money ASAP, but releasing a product to a streaming service before they can monetize it with local or targeted advertisements isn't profitable, and that's only after they secure proper licensing through the local film industry rightsholders. In the case of advertisement-free Netflix I'm not sure how it works from a marketing standpoint, but there are still legal issues that need to be worked out, not to mention the risk of competing with alternative delivery methods like boxed DVD sets. You can call it greedy for them to want to make money on their product, but there's a legitimate legal headache for everyone involved and it's more complex than simplistic snipes like this: [QUOTE=Killergam;46849411]How else will they afford their tropical island or mansion if you don't pay more and watch what they tell you?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'm equally as mad at Netflix as I am on the movie studios pressuring them. Netflix fought them at first, why the hell did they stop? Why not show a fucking example and [I]fight them[/I]? Drop their fucking contracts, circumvent them somehow, find loopholes, whatever. I feel that more should make a clear statement, content should be free of all to buy and use regardless of region. Fuck capitalism.
I find it very interesting that you cannot sign up for US Netflix without a US credit card or a PayPal account that doesn't have a US card attached, yet you can easily sign up for UK Netflix using the same PayPal account (that doesn't have a UK card attached either). The system is messed up in more ways than one.
I just use netflix for Scrubs and Burn Notice anyways...
[QUOTE=>VLN<;46849806]Why do other countries not get the same shows and movies that the USA does? Do the movie studios not want to make money?[/QUOTE] Its all about who owns the distribution/licensing agreements within the country. Netflix needs to make a deal with who ever controls it. It says that right in the OP
[QUOTE=Tuskin;46849927]Its all about who owns the distribution/licensing agreements within the country. Netflix needs to make a deal with who ever controls it. It says that right in the OP[/QUOTE] And a lot of companies that make their money on distributing a show through television and physical media are loathe to undercut their own business by making a deal with Netflix unless it's an extremely competitive offer, which generally doesn't happen.
The whole TV and movie industry wasn't designed for streaming video, but broadcasting it over the TV through license to whatever channel.
[URL]https://netflixaroundtheworld.com/[/URL] Look at the statistics there. European countries have less than 2000 titles and US has over 6000. They're also charging us 2 dollars more per month (€=$). Fuck off you greedy bastards. I'm going to use my VPN as long as I can, and after that I'm confident someone comes up with a new more clever way to do it.
All this anti piracy stuff companies are trying to pull, both with movies and video games I cannot name a single time where one of these actions HASNT come back to hurt them Do they ever learn? Its not like it affects people much anyways, more will just pirate products instead of paying for them
[QUOTE=J!NX;46849518]still a lot better than hulu [editline]3rd January 2015[/editline] like, completely better[/QUOTE] I disagree, Hulu can be a lot better depending on what you're looking for. For instance the ENTIRE Criterion Collection is in their library, that's thousands of culturally and artistically relevant movies for a great price. Also Hulu got some good shows that Netflix don't have, all you have to do is put up with ads and you're fine.
i hope to god that the FCC's new streaming rules allow them to negotiate better, i'd love to see the MPAA neutered
Welp, now I can't watch any of the series on Netflix that I watch.
I closed my netflix account before my free month expired because of how shit the danish library is and that I didn't want to go through the trouble and money to use a VPN just to watch some american series. Good thing I never paid for this bullshit.
So I assume this means those of us who use stuff like Hola will get fucked even if we pay for the service, huh? Fucking great. I'll keep using it until I get blocked, after that I'm out. Good going, Netflix.
Fuck this shit, I'm gonna keep watching shit regardless of country, because I'm paying good fucking money to do so and the second they attempt to stop that then my money will stop.
Well fuck, I've been using Netflix for years and while the Canadian selection has gotten better, it's not up to the US one at all. I don't think this is something Netflix wanted to do themselves since they know a lot of people use the service solely because they can switch to the US site via VPNs, like me. So if I get blocked for doing that then I'm done with it.
Well they've earned my subscription termination then.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46849865]Trademarks, licensing, advertisement deals, contract stipulations, and a million legal hurdles. They do want to make money ASAP, but releasing a product to a streaming service before they can monetize it with local or targeted advertisements isn't profitable, and that's only after they secure proper licensing through the local film industry rightsholders. In the case of advertisement-free Netflix I'm not sure how it works from a marketing standpoint, but there are still legal issues that need to be worked out, not to mention the risk of competing with alternative delivery methods like boxed DVD sets. You can call it greedy for them to want to make money on their product, but there's a legitimate legal headache for everyone involved and it's more complex than simplistic snipes like this:[/QUOTE] The internet has been here for a long time, but the big companies have been dragging their feet and bitching about piracy, rather than going the route of the gaming industry and making paying easier than piracy (well, some parts of the gaming industry). So I personally could give a fuck less about their "struggles"; they are all about doing everything they can to keep making money in the same ways they have before (which requires crippling the freedom of the internet), instead of getting with the times (probably because the times offer consumers choice and hinder the stranglehold they have which makes them so much money).
[quote]Netflix tells us that there's been "no change" in the way it handles VPNs, so you shouldn't have to worry about the company getting tough any time soon. [/quote] [url]http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/03/netflix-clamps-down-on-vpns/[/url] go home
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46851118]The internet has been here for a long time, but the big companies have been dragging their feet and bitching about piracy, rather than going the route of the gaming industry and making paying easier than piracy (well, some parts of the gaming industry). [/QUOTE] The gaming industry is a tiny fraction the size of the movie industry. It doesn't have to work out syndication deals or television rights ownership. With the gaming industry, you can use an international platform like Steam to distribute a game to everyone. In the film industry, you have to assess whether it's acceptable to the licensed distributors in any given country, then work out the legal agreements stipulated in the contracts that funded and produced the movie in the first place. If you're an indie developer you interact with your market directly. If you're a AAA developer, you interact with a publisher, who interacts with the market directly. If you're a movie studio, there are three or four more layers of separation between you and your target audience and it has everything to do with the scale of the industry. Some people seem to have this idea that the Internet eliminates all borders, all country-relevant legal concerns, but that's never been the case. Comparing film to games is an apples to oranges comparison that only goes so far. The better comparisons would be to digital series, like the ones being put out on Netflix exclusively, such as Peaky Blinders. You'll notice that those series are much more liberal in their distribution. For what it's worth, I agree that these companies are behind the times and partly to blame for their own troubles. At the same time, I know it's not the stupid oversimplification that gets tossed around that they simultaneously are 'just greedy' for trying to control distribution but also 'don't want money' for not distributing to all markets. It's a lot more complex than that. Beyond that, I don't think the shitty actions of the rightsholders justify piracy, which seems to be the alternative that people propose.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46851209]The gaming industry is a tiny fraction the size of the movie industry. It doesn't have to work out syndication deals or television rights ownership. With the gaming industry, you can use an international platform like Steam to distribute a game to everyone. In the film industry, you have to assess whether it's acceptable to the licensed distributors in any given country, then work out the legal agreements stipulated in the contracts that funded and produced the movie in the first place. ...[/QUOTE] How come they can distribute the DVDs pretty much world wide but can't digitally?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46851284]How come they can distribute the DVDs pretty much world wide but can't digitally?[/QUOTE] It can take months or even years to get DVDs into certain markets, and even then they're frequently region-locked, so DVDs are hardly an example of worldwide distribution. But the main difference here is that a streaming service is a third-party agreement that requires closer coordination with the rightsholders, whereas with a DVD the licensed distributor can just print up DVDs and send them out for sale. If studios could maintain international presence to distribute their content, then they could sell DVDs and stream their shows wherever they want. But as long as telecom companies have deals with local companies to show content, the studios have to make deals. If you want your show to be on TV in, say, Australia, you probably have to make a deal with an Australian network. That deal will say that you can't stream to Australia or broadcast through another network, because that would undercut their business, so instead they'll handle it and give you a cut of the profits, a continuous payment, or a lump sum. So if the original rightsholder decides they want to distribute the DVDs to whatever market in the world, they can do that, but the local network still has the rights to present the show directly. They can sell the DVDs, but can't stream the content on the DVDs without the permission of the network. So now you have a three-way deal being negotiated between the studio, the network, and the streaming service- is it any wonder that a lot of programs get stuck in this bullshit and never reach Netflix? Basically the way TV networks legally operate is largely to blame for region-locking of movies and shows through streaming services, it can't all be pinned on the studios that ultimately own the publishing rights.
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