• George Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
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[QUOTE=Gwandu;41448397]He will probably have to spend the rest of his life in hiding[/QUOTE] Or get a shit ton of guns and be ready all the time, let those fuckers taste some lead.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating. But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE] Do you disagree with the verdict of the jury?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating. But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE] oh that sigmalambda, what will he say next
[QUOTE=Aman;41451713]chimpcon 1[/QUOTE] [t]http://imgur.com/YzC7AF0.jpg[/t] Found this on /k/ when the trial started :v:
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating. But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE] Y'know what, I'm actually going to agree with you that the justice system has a bad history of fucking over minorities. HOWEVER, it has nothing to do with this case. If we base this decision [I]purely[/I] off of the evidence that was presented, Zimmerman was innocent. That's it; that's as far as it goes. It's not about your gut feeling, it's not about what you think is 'justice,' it's about evidence. The prosecution was unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this was anything other than an unfortunate killing in self-defense.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41448612]haha yeah, look at all those stupid idiots who have a different opinion [i][b]unsupported by the facts as brought to trial[/b][/i]. i'm laughing at them, check out all this hilarity i'm linking up in here i'm basically glad trayvon got shot because now we have this epic lulztrain[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you. They had the jury least likely to feel sympathetic towards a man who shot a teenager in what was legally deemed by those same people to be self-defence. Get over it, that's how the justice system works. He was innocent until he could be proven guilty, and it was decided by the jury and judge that the facts did not support a guilty verdict.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41453157]gotta love it when a late teenager street thug tries to pound a dude's head into a pulp[/QUOTE] I bet you wouldn't call a white kid a "street thug"
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;41453610] Found this on /k/ when the trial started :v:[/QUOTE] You should probably snip that.
[QUOTE=James*;41453626]I bet you wouldn't call a white kid a "street thug"[/QUOTE] Well, I don't come from racially charged America, but I think the only people I've ever called "street thugs" have been white and usually Scottish, like me. "Street thug" has everything to do with behaviour, and nothing to do with colour, as a label.
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;41453306]remember kids, never go full retard[/QUOTE] sorry that everywhere else in the world people have sense and morals
[QUOTE=Pelican;41453637]sorry that everywhere else in the world people have sense and morals[/QUOTE] What about the trial was insensible or immoral? I can't speak for Australia but in the US we operate on a system of presumed innocence, that the prosecution has to prove your guilt and not the other way around. The prosecution could not prove Zimmerman guilty of murder or manslaughter. So he is presumed innocent. If you are disgusted with law in the US you should know that the Zimmerman case was really just a typical case of self-defense, one that happens every day across the country. If the prosecutor in those cases can prove that the defendant is lying then the defendant goes to jail. If not, they are free.
[QUOTE=Pelican;41453637]sorry that everywhere else in the world people have sense and morals[/QUOTE] Didn't your country start out as a penal colony?
[QUOTE=James*;41453626]I bet you wouldn't call a white kid a "street thug"[/QUOTE] Ok, this "I bet if it was X you wouldn't Y" bullshit needs to stop. You're not the only one so don't think I'm singling you out, but it seems like everywhere I go people are using this fallacy to try and goad people into 'admitting' they're racist or something equally insipid and baseless. [editline]14th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Pelican;41453637]sorry that everywhere else in the world people have sense and morals[/QUOTE] And I'm sorry the justice system decided to operate on the evidence presented to them rather than listening to the emotional appeals of the people outside the trial. Wait, no, that's how it's supposed to be. Based on the evidence shown at trial, this was the ONLY decision they could have made.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating. But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE] Because this train of thought, "non-black person shoots black person, claims self-defence => must be racist hatecrime", is not racist in the slightest. Not at all.
[QUOTE=gudman;41453690]Because this train of thought, "non-black person shoots black person, claims self-defence => must be racist hatecrime", is not racist in the slightest. Not at all.[/QUOTE] If not for this train of thought, I don't think anyone here would've known about this case. The only difference between this and anything else is the massive fuel of "omg racisst" arguments.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453661]Ok, this "I bet if it was X you wouldn't Y" bullshit needs to stop. You're not the only one so don't think I'm singling you out, but it seems like everywhere I go people are using this fallacy to try and goad people into 'admitting' they're racist or something equally insipid and baseless.[/QUOTE] It's a valid thought experiment, "thug" is a classic example of a [url=http://gawker.com/5899322/the-dog-whistle-has-sounded-how-the-right-talks-about-thugs-like-trayvon-martin]racially loaded codeword.[/url]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453726]It's a valid thought experiment, "thug" is a classic example of a [url=http://gawker.com/5899322/the-dog-whistle-has-sounded-how-the-right-talks-about-thugs-like-trayvon-martin]racially loaded codeword.[/url][/QUOTE] Huh. I always thought of 'thug' to be a description for a violent or otherwise brutal person; I didn't connect a specific race to it. Guess I'm out of the loop or something.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453740]Huh. I always thought of 'thug' to be a description for a violent or otherwise brutal person; I didn't connect a specific race to it. Guess I'm out of the loop or something.[/QUOTE] You aren't the only one that uses thug to mean that.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453740]Huh. I always thought of 'thug' to be a description for a violent or otherwise brutal person; I didn't connect a specific race to it. Guess I'm out of the loop or something.[/QUOTE] Words can gain additional meanings outside of their dictionary definition through use in common parlance and the american right wing's implementation of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy]Southern Strategy[/url] has relied on turning a large number of terms like "thug", "urban", and "welfare queen", and winking references to things like "food stamps", "state's rights" into racially loaded terms used to communicate race-based fears to a certain audience while gliding over the heads of those who would take offense. [editline]14th July 2013[/editline] Anyone who describes Trayvon as a "thug" for doing things like smoking marijuana and taking dumb twitpics (both entirely normal, wholesome things for a teenager to do) is, knowingly or not, playing into this system of coded language.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453778]Words can gain additional meanings outside of their dictionary definition through use in common parlance and the american right wing's implementation of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy]Southern Strategy[/url] has relied on turning a large number of terms like "thug", "urban", and "welfare queen", and winking references to things like "food stamps", "state's rights" into racially loaded terms used to communicate race-based fears to a certain audience while gliding over the heads of those who would take offense. [editline]14th July 2013[/editline] Anyone who describes Trayvon as a "thug" for doing things like smoking marijuana and taking dumb twitpics (both entirely normal, wholesome things for a teenager to do) is, knowingly or not, playing into this system of coded language.[/QUOTE] That's kind of a shame, really, because it makes it really difficult to determine what is "ok" to say, especially when describing a person. Not to go off topic here, but do you have a better word?
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453740]Huh. I always thought of 'thug' to be a description for a violent or otherwise brutal person; I didn't connect a specific race to it. Guess I'm out of the loop or something.[/QUOTE] It's not supposed to be connected to a certain race, but it seems like certain right-wing pundits like to use the word to describe young black males.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453778]Words can gain additional meanings outside of their dictionary definition through use in common parlance and the american right wing's implementation of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy]Southern Strategy[/url] has relied on turning a large number of terms like "thug", "urban", and "welfare queen", and winking references to things like "food stamps", "state's rights" into racially loaded terms used to communicate race-based fears to a certain audience while gliding over the heads of those who would take offense. [/QUOTE] Ah, right, so it's some American perversion of the meaning of the word.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453808]That's kind of a shame, really, because it makes it really difficult to determine what is "ok" to say, especially when describing a person. Not to go off topic here, but do you have a better word?[/QUOTE] Teenager.
[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;41448386]A rare day, but a good day nonetheless. Really glad for Zimmerman tho[/QUOTE] Well, I'm glad for him too, but as his brother said on the CNN source, he'll be looking around his shoulder for the rest of his life, due to the fuckin lunatics on twitter and whatnot threatening to kill him. "No time for high-fives" sums it up
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453817]Teenager.[/QUOTE] "Teenager with a hobby: beating strangers' heads against a sidewalk". New "thug", racial flavor-free.
give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here? Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict. I live in the UK by the way.
This is just in: Thug is somehow racially loaded now, however feel free to use terms such as "white trash" or "redneck" which aren't.
[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here? Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict. I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE] I apologize for the generalization, but many of the people angry about this appear to have ignored or otherwise missed the evidence (or lack thereof) to prove that what Zimmerman did was murder. Based on the evidence shown at trial, the prosecution did not have a strong case at all and tried to appeal to emotion, rather than looking for a verdict based on evidence. A lot of people who are upset are still basing it on emotion or their interpretation of justice rather than the evidence. If they had gone for manslaughter instead of second degree murder, they [I]might[/I] have gotten a conviction, but even then they'd still have to prove it wasn't self-defense, which they were unable to do.
[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here? Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict. I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE] Well I don't know what side "we" are taking, but I take the side I find the most believable. In this case, it's Zimmerman. I'm currently in the middle of researches about this case's coverage, and so far I don't see any evidence ever released to support "racist" point of view.
[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here? Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict. I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE] No one really seems to give a shit about the facts
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