[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here?
Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict.
I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE]
Facepunch has received secret, arcane knowledge that allow us to know that, without any doubt, Trayvon randomly attacked and intended to kill Zimmerman with his fists. This is something we can say is completely 100 percent true while also saying that we "no evidence" that Zimmerman did anything wrong and must treat him with respect.
The source of this knowledge is something which, like the Wu-Tang secret, we must never reveal and carry to our graves.
[QUOTE=acds;41453901]This is just in: Thug is somehow racially loaded now, however feel free to use terms such as "white trash" or "redneck" which aren't.[/QUOTE]
What? Those words are clearly racially loaded, white trash being obvious and redneck being a reference to poor, uneducated whites in the American South.
[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here?
Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict.
I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE]
Basically the prosecution was held up by "I think"'s and "what if"'s, and they failed miserably. Everything that was brought up was consistent with Zimmerman's story, and available evidence supported Zimmerman's case. The Jury only had facts to work with, unlike the general population which is fueled by speculation and media race-bating.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453921]Facepunch has received secret, arcane knowledge that allow us to know that, without any doubt, Trayvon randomly attacked and intended to kill Zimmerman with his fists. This is something we can say is completely 100 percent true while also saying that we "no evidence" that Zimmerman did anything wrong and must treat him with respect.
The source of this knowledge is something which, like the Wu-Tang secret, we must never reveal and carry to our graves.[/QUOTE]
Facepunch has watched the case and saw that the evidence supports Zimmerman's account of what happen. Although, it does seem to be a secret to most.
[QUOTE=massaki;41453888]give me a second, i'm not really clued up and forgive me for that, but why are we taking Zimmerman's side on here?
Everyone else on my Twitter feed (even celebrities Irvine Welsh and so) are pissed about the verdict.
I live in the UK by the way.[/QUOTE]
This will kill SigmaLambda but the people outraged are in three camps 1. People uninterested in the case who saw black boy - white man and jumped on the band wagon (most of these are thanks to the NAACP blowing this into a race thing) 2. people who want to white wash black youths of any wrong doing (like the police chief whose racism in favor of blacks lead to Trayvon being where he was when he died) and 3. People making money from the ordeal (News agencies, social justice lawyers and writers etc.)
I'm gonna get called a racist but look over this post and I never said anything condemning any race or showing any bias to any race.
Oh and SigmaLambda you racist fuck, why are you not making posts about the blacks killing other blacks (which make the majority of black murders? that fuels the thug label) sounds like you got serious whitey hating syndrome going on.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453921]Facepunch has received secret, arcane knowledge that allow us to know that, without any doubt, Trayvon randomly attacked and intended to kill Zimmerman with his fists. This is something we can say is completely 100 percent true while also saying that we "no evidence" that Zimmerman did anything wrong and must treat him with respect.
The source of this knowledge is something which, like the Wu-Tang secret, we must never reveal and carry to our graves.[/QUOTE]
This is why it's called "reasonable doubt" rather than 100% certainty (which is, in many cases, literally impossible).
When the evidence points towards "not guilty," then that's what you decide on.
[QUOTE=acds;41453901]This is just in: Thug is somehow racially loaded now, however feel free to use terms such as "white trash" or "redneck" which aren't.[/QUOTE]
Note how you dismiss my really fucking solid argument for why the term "thug" is racist by referencing other words which nobody in this thread has used and which, I, personally, have never used.
You'll be a great debater in the Clown College Debate Club someday.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453921]Facepunch has received secret, arcane knowledge that allow us to know that, without any doubt, Trayvon randomly attacked and intended to kill Zimmerman with his fists. This is something we can say is completely 100 percent true while also saying that we "no evidence" that Zimmerman did anything wrong and must treat him with respect.[/QUOTE]
Okay smart guy, if you have concrete evidence to the contrary, then why didn't you take part in the trial? I'm sure the prosecution would have been thrilled having been given something to work with.
The prosecution could not disprove Zimmerman's story with solid evidence. This combined with "Innocent until proven Guilty" means Zimmerman is free to go.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453921]Facepunch has received secret, arcane knowledge that allow us to know that, without any doubt, Trayvon randomly attacked and intended to kill Zimmerman with his fists. This is something we can say is completely 100 percent true while also saying that we "no evidence" that Zimmerman did anything wrong and must treat him with respect.
The source of this knowledge is something which, like the Wu-Tang secret, we must never reveal and carry to our graves.[/QUOTE]
I see no evidence to the contrary. Last time I checked, justice system operates by the concept of Presumption of innocence, and another concept, according to which, no person can be called a criminal without fair trial.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;41453925]What? Those words are clearly racially loaded, white trash being obvious and redneck being a reference to poor, uneducated whites in the American South.[/QUOTE]
That was my point.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41453950]This is why it's called "reasonable doubt" rather than 100% certainty (which is, in many cases, literally impossible).
When the evidence points towards "not guilty," then that's what you decide on.[/QUOTE]
No, but people keep saying that we should give Zimmerman a reasonable doubt but nobody seems to have a problem proclaiming that, yes, Trayvon was trying to beat Zimmerman to death with his fists.
Why does Zimmerman get "we don't know what really happened" but Trayvon doesn't?
Black rap groups used thug to describe themselves that's how it got associated with that culture.
Thug, a common criminal, [B]who treats others violently[/B] and roughly, often for hire
Sure sounds like Trayvon proved by Zimmerman injuries, and Trayvon getting off a criminal charge thanks to racial favoritism.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453953]Note how you dismiss my really fucking solid argument for why the term "thug" is racist by referencing other words which nobody in this thread has used and which, I, personally, have never used.
You'll be a great debater in the Clown College Debate Club someday.[/QUOTE]
yeah man he's a racist just like zman, zman was a racist who happened to:
take a black girl to prom
tutored several black children
defended the death of a black man at the hands of police
[QUOTE=acds;41453966]That was my point.[/QUOTE]
What point? I argued that "thug" was racist and you just said "nuh-uh, what about the word white trash?"
WHAT POINT WERE YOU MAKING
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453968]No, but people keep saying that we should give Zimmerman a reasonable doubt but nobody seems to have a problem proclaiming that, yes, Trayvon was trying to beat Zimmerman to death with his fists.
Why does Zimmerman get "we don't know what really happened" but Trayvon doesn't?[/QUOTE]
There where several witnesses putting Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him
[editline]14th July 2013[/editline]
Or "downward motions with his arms"
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41453987]There where several witnesses putting Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him
[editline]14th July 2013[/editline]
Or "downward motions with his arms"[/QUOTE]
Lies created by the racist elements of the right wing in the vast conspiracy to keep [I]minorities[/I] down!
Sorry thought I was posting on my SigmaLambda account.
Anyway Zimmerman is free and hopefully everyone calms down, him going to prison would have done nothing to help the Martins, its terrible they lost their (only) son and hopefully they can move on from this. They have enough money to live comfortably and I doubt they want any blood of violence in Trayvons name needlessly.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41453987]There where several witnesses putting Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him
[editline]14th July 2013[/editline]
Or "downward motions with his arms"[/QUOTE]
These witnesses were racist.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41453987]There where several witnesses putting Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him
[editline]14th July 2013[/editline]
Or "downward motions with his arms"[/QUOTE]
biased like the jury
GIVE US JUSTICE, CONVICT HIM WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453953]Note how you dismiss my really fucking solid argument for why the term "thug" is racist by referencing other words which nobody in this thread has used and which, I, personally, have never used.
You'll be a great debater in the Clown College Debate Club someday.[/QUOTE]
I don't think "thug" has ever really been racially loaded. Your argument isn't that solid, and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the case.
Trayvon doesn't get "reasonable doubt" because he has a history of violence and because there were two witnesses and because he had bruised knuckles and Zimmerman had a broken nose, so unless the evil Zimmerman was beating poor Trayvon Angel's knuckles with his mighty White Man nose, it seems to suggest that Trayvon was beating the shit out of him which corroborates with his story and the witness accounts.
[QUOTE=benwaddi;41454017]Lies created by the racist elements of the right wing in the vast conspiracy to keep blacks down!
Sorry thought I was posting on my SigmaLambda account.[/QUOTE]
Stop using "blacks", please, that doesn't help your point at all.
Calling [b]people[/b] "Blacks" or "Whites" is a dehumanization.
Also, [url=https://twitter.com/STREETS_DH/status/356422425094799362]Twitter's amuzing[/url]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating.
But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE]
So the group that is advocating lynching and murder and how a jury is wrong and how the system favours no justice, because the verdict is one they don't agree with is more correct?
Even after multiple black "more conservative" celebrities have said that the evidence itself seems to point at an aquittal before the verdict was presented.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;41448686]You forgot Detroit, they may as well jump in.[/QUOTE]
Nobody would even notice.
[QUOTE=Hinterlight;41448569]Honestly, the only reason I have it on because I can't think of anywhere else to get news from on TV right now.[/QUOTE]
You're better off not following the news at all TBH.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453953]Note how you dismiss my really fucking solid argument for why the term "thug" is racist by referencing other words which nobody in this thread has used and which, I, personally, have never used.
You'll be a great debater in the Clown College Debate Club someday.[/QUOTE]
You mean your irrefutable Gawker article now makes "thug" a racist codeword? I couldn't give less of a fuck how someone uses it. I don't consider "anti-racist" a racist codeword against anyone white just because the retards over at SRS use it that way either.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;41454028]I don't think "thug" has ever really been racially loaded.
[/QUOTE]
You can't just say "nuh-uh, you're wrong.", you have to actually have an argument. I posted articles explaining the history of dogwhistle racism in America. You need to actually respond with an argument to points I or those sources made.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453968]No, but people keep saying that we should give Zimmerman a reasonable doubt but nobody seems to have a problem proclaiming that, yes, Trayvon was trying to beat Zimmerman to death with his fists.
Why does Zimmerman get "we don't know what really happened" but Trayvon doesn't?[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? Or does that switch around depending on your opinion?
[QUOTE=acds;41454063]You mean your irrefutable Gawker article now makes "thug" a racist codeword? [/QUOTE]
[quote= Lee Atwater, former chairman of the RNC]You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
[/quote]
[QUOTE=acds;41454063]I couldn't give less of a fuck how someone uses it. I don't consider "anti-racist" a racist codeword against anyone white just because the retards over at SRS use it that way either.[/QUOTE]
Wow just randomly singling out some subreddit (apparently?) I've never heard of as a bunch of retards. You sure are a master of debate.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454068]You can't just say "nuh-uh, you're wrong.", you have to actually have an argument. I posted articles explaining the history of dogwhistle racism in America. You need to actually respond with an argument to points I or those sources made.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug[/url]
Here, enjoy.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454068]You can't just say "nuh-uh, you're wrong.", you have to actually have an argument. [/QUOTE]
please tell this to the #NoJustice people
[QUOTE=acds;41454063]You mean your irrefutable Gawker article now makes "thug" a racist codeword? I couldn't give less of a fuck how someone uses it. I don't consider "anti-racist" a racist codeword against anyone white just because the retards over at SRS use it that way either.[/QUOTE]
The fact that it is used by people in American media or politics as a racial codeword makes it a racial codeword. I don't use it myself because I just don't feel comfortable using it after years of Fox News, Hannity, and Limbaugh. This is getting way off topic though. I think it's mostly an American thing so if you aren't from here you wouldn't have any way of knowing, and the official definition is still more about the criminality of someone rather than their race, so I think it's best to just assume people are using it to describe the former rather than the latter.
[QUOTE=acds;41454109][url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug[/url]
Here, enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Judging by the comments there, this very link has a history of being used in an arguments...
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