• George Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY
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Lambda do yourself a favor and stop humiliating yourself.
[QUOTE=acds;41454109][URL]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug[/URL] Here, enjoy.[/QUOTE] The dictionary's job is to list the literal definitions of words in a formalized, prescriptive way. The dictionary does not define words as they are used in common parlance with regard given to cultural or sociological trends. The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy"]SOUTHERN STRATEGY[/URL] is a [B]DOCTUMENTED[/B] Republican political strategy and ignoring 50 years of American history and pointing at a dictionary is grade school shit.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454103]Wow just randomly singling out some subreddit (apparently?) I've never heard of as a bunch of retards. You sure are a master of debate.[/QUOTE] Sorry Master of Armchair Debate, I wish I was as good as you. Nevermind that you missed my point entirely. I am not getting into the debate with facts because it's such a logically retarded argument I don't even care to disprove it because I won't waste time on anyone believing it. If you link me a blog post on Tumblr talking about how Bach was black I won't care to debate that either, for example.
[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;41454151]Lambda do yourself a favor and stop humiliating yourself.[/QUOTE] He seems to do that in all Zimmerman threads
[QUOTE=acds;41454186]Sorry Master of Armchair Debate, I wish I was as good as you. Nevermind that you missed my point entirely. I am not getting into the debate with facts because it's such a logically retarded argument I don't even care to disprove it because I won't waste time on anyone believing it. If you link me a blog post on Tumblr talking about how Bach was black I won't care to debate that either, for example.[/QUOTE] Again, you seem to continue to ignore the fact that the phenomenon I am describing is well documented (the wikipedia article I keep posting has quotes from senior political advisers and links to the relevant documents) and seem content to just ramble on about reddit and tumblr. Are you ok? Maybe you should sit down.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;41454130]The fact that it is used by people in American media or politics as a racial codeword makes it a racial codeword. I don't use it myself because I just don't feel comfortable using it after years of Fox News, Hannity, and Limbaugh. This is getting way off topic though. I think it's mostly an American thing so if you aren't from here you wouldn't have any way of knowing, and the official definition is still more about the criminality of someone rather than their race, so I think it's best to just assume people are using it to describe the former rather than the latter.[/QUOTE] Wait so just because media and politics have misappropriated "thug" to designate specifically black ne'er-do-wells, that now makes it a racial codeword in America, and that it's sort of in practice overridden the dictionary? That makes sense but it's a shame, or have I not quite got it? Over here "thug" isn't race specific, for example people interviewed called those involved in the London riots thugs in general regardless
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453552]It's actually because one group has a history of getting fucked over by the justice system, whose systemic racism is so extreme as to be beyond doubt, and the other group is a bunch of white nerds on the internet, gloating. But whatever, check out all these hilarious tweets I found from sad black people.[/QUOTE] Oh I had forgotten the history of racism no you're right that definitely makes it justified that people are demanding an innocent man be killed sorry!!!!! gotta say I also like the way you're getting indignant over people saying 'simmer the zimmer' instead of you know the people demanding an extrajudicial killing
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41453953]Note how you dismiss my really fucking solid argument[/QUOTE] I didn't know a biased website, a Wikipedia article, and some opinions made a "really fucking solid argument." But let me jump out of just poking at you and let's refute what's brought up. Foremost, The Dog Whistle refers to the word "Thug" an astounding three times for feels to be about four or five pages. It can be basically summed up as "How dare people say racist things against Obama" and "How dare I see one article mention black youths doing wrong as thugs and white youths doing the same as unruly." They'd have ground if they stated how often the word "thug" is used to mention black youths over white; or even negative terms for once race and neutral for the other. But instead, there's no facts. It's a bunch of opinionated babbling ending on a tune of: "Now shut the fuck up about income inequality." Very solid. The second article, fucking Wikipedia of all things, is on Southern Strategy: the political racism rampant in the South since 19th century. It mentions the word "thug" or, hell, even any notion of saying negative things about individual black people, a whopping 0 times. I actually can't find anything to support your statement in this article. It mentions that instead of crying "Nigger nigger nigger," that politicians will forgo the racial insults and just jump straight to racially-charged legislation. It even goes on to say that it's pretty much over in the 21st century. You cannot use racism through political action as a grounds to jump up and down to the tune of "Southern Strategy" any time someone speaks ill of African Americans. Especially people who may not have any ties to said political racism and [b]may not even live in the same fucking country.[/b] If someone from Canada calls Travyon a thug because of his actions alone; I'd love to see how Southern Strategy bears any weight. Calling Travyon a "thug" is perfectly fine and not racially charged in anyway unless it derives from the individual's own preconceived racism. I'm abstaining from listing evidence about why Travyon isn't an innocent baby boy the media made him out to be, because the case is over, and people's feelings aren't going to change that. :v:
[QUOTE=Laputa;41454270]Wait so just because media and politics have misappropriated "thug" to designate specifically black ne'er-do-wells, that now makes it a racial codeword in America, and that it's sort of in practice overridden the dictionary? That makes sense but it's a shame, or have I not quite got it? Over here "thug" isn't race specific, for example people interviewed called those involved in the London riots thugs in general regardless[/QUOTE] Thug isn't fucking racially loaded. Closet racists don't run around calling random black people thugs. Whenever the media or someone refers to someone as a thug, they don't mean nigger, they mean that the person is the literal definition of a thug.
[QUOTE=Laputa;41454270]Wait so just because media and politics have misappropriated "thug" to designate specifically black ne'er-do-wells, that now makes it a racial codeword in America, and that it's sort of in practice overridden the dictionary? That makes sense but it's a shame, or have I not quite got it? Over here "thug" isn't race specific, for example people interviewed called those involved in the London riots thugs in general regardless[/QUOTE] By certain people in media in politics. What Sigma is saying about the southern strategy isn't wrong, but I think he is overzealously trying to paint everyone who uses the word "thug", especially people in other countries who may not know the particulars of American history or politics, as racist. This entire conversation should be boiled down to "x was a thug" "Hey, that word has racist connotations, are you sure you meant it that way?" "Oh no, I just meant the literal definition" "Oh okay" If someone is saying that they didn't mean to use a word racially, a word they have never been exposed to being used as a racially-loaded term, it's reasonable to assume they aren't being racist, they just think someone is a criminal.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454068]You can't just say "nuh-uh, you're wrong.", you have to actually have an argument.[/QUOTE] is that why ur denying the validity of zimmermans acquittal (in the face of valid evidence no less)
[QUOTE=Raidyr;41454311]By certain people in media in politics. What Sigma is saying about the southern strategy isn't wrong, but I think he is overzealously trying to paint everyone who uses the word "thug", especially people in other countries who may not know the particulars of American history or politics, as racist.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying everyone who uses it is racist, I'm saying everyone who uses it to refer to a black person is playing into a racist linguistic system whether they know it or not. The big takeoff from this should be that [I]people can say something racist without actually being racist[/I]. People are getting super upset about this, taking it as me calling them racist when I'm not doing that, I'm just saying people should be more careful about the words that they use lest they end up resembling big fat republican shitheads like Rush Limbaugh and Richard Nixon who turned the tactic of complaining about black people without actually specifically mentioning black people into an artform.
Ok sorry, I didn't mean to misrepresent your argument, I just think this is a case of cultural differences not really translating well.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;41454319]is that why ur denying the validity of zimmermans acquittal (in the face of valid evidence no less)[/QUOTE] I've literally never denied the validity of his acquittal in this thread. I've expressed my own criticisms of the trial in previous threads in months past but in this thread I have not posted a single, solid word as to whether or not I think he is innocent. Go ahead, dig through every post I've made in here, try me.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;41454299]Thug isn't fucking racially loaded. Closet racists don't run around calling random black people thugs. Whenever the media or someone refers to someone as a thug, they don't mean nigger, they mean that the person is the literal definition of a thug.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Raidyr;41454311]By certain people in media in politics. What Sigma is saying about the southern strategy isn't wrong, but I think he is overzealously trying to paint everyone who uses the word "thug", especially people in other countries who may not know the particulars of American history or politics, as racist. This entire conversation should be boiled down to "x was a thug" "Hey, that word has racist connotations, are you sure you meant it that way?" "Oh no, I just meant the literal definition" "Oh okay" If someone is saying that they didn't mean to use a word racially, a word they have never been exposed to being used as a racially-loaded term, it's reasonable to assume they aren't being racist, they just think someone is a criminal.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I'm trying to understand and I am completely with you, just because something's been tampered with in one part of the world shouldn't mean everyone else in the world that has nothing to do with it should suffer the consequences if you catch my drift I could have worded that better but still
[QUOTE=Laputa;41454401]This is exactly what I'm trying to understand and I am completely with you, just because something's been tampered with in one part of the world shouldn't mean everyone else in the world that has nothing to do with it should suffer the consequences if you catch my drift I could have worded that better but still[/QUOTE] I don't see anyone "suffering" any "consequences" though. I literally just said "hey don't use the word thug, it's racist, here's why:" and people really got freaked out and defensive.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454360]I'm not saying everyone who uses it is racist, I'm saying everyone who uses it to refer to a black person is playing into a racist linguistic system whether they know it or not. The big takeoff from this should be that [I]people can say something racist without actually being racist[/I]. People are getting super upset about this, taking it as me calling them racist when I'm not doing that, I'm just saying people should be more careful about the words that they use lest they end up resembling [B]big fat republican shitheads[/B] like Rush Limbaugh and Richard Nixon who turned the tactic of complaining about black people without actually specifically mentioning black people into an artform.[/QUOTE] Wait a minute, you have something backwards. A higher percentage of republicans voted for and more democrats voted against [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals"]these[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#Vote_count"]bills[/URL]. You need to understand not everything on the right side is bad, that thinking is as ignorant as the racism you are trying to expose.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454360]I'm not saying everyone who uses it is racist[/QUOTE] Got ya [quote]everyone who uses it to refer to a black person is playing into a racist linguistic system whether they know it or not.[/quote] In America Like, I get what you mean but I don't think it should apply globally, just because the meaning and significance of the word has snowballed into something more thanks to certain politicians and media within their jurisdiction and influenced the community within that, shouldn't affect everyone outside it because they had nothing to do with it [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454426]I don't see anyone "suffering" any "consequences" though. I literally just said "hey don't use the word thug, it's racist, here's why:" and people really got freaked out and defensive.[/QUOTE] I agree with you but as I said IMO it shouldn't apply everywhere, and I appologise, I couldn't find better words
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454360]I'm not saying everyone who uses it is racist, I'm saying everyone who uses it to refer to a black person is playing into a racist linguistic system whether they know it or not. The big takeoff from this should be that [I]people can say something racist without actually being racist[/I]. [/QUOTE] I'm going to pound some butter on some crackers. Was that unintentionally racist?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;41454522]I'm going to pound some butter on some crackers. Was that unintentionally racist?[/QUOTE] No, because "cracker" the snack and "cracker" the slur aren't the same word, they are homonyms. Knowing what is and isn't racist is actually super easy if you apply just a little effort.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454426]I don't see anyone "suffering" any "consequences" though. I literally just said "hey don't use the word thug, it's racist, here's why:" and people really got freaked out and defensive.[/QUOTE] No, you tried to state "Thug is a racially charged word, the end" with absolute shit-tier backing. Next up, I can't eat my Special K in the morning without it being secretly endorsed by Betty White and the chocolate pieces representing the oppression of black people in a sea of white milk and tanned corn flakes.
When I think of the word 'thug' the first thing which comes to my mind is Italian mobster types, the ones who would put the screws on Johnny Loose-Lips. I think associating it to black people is probably an American thing, in Britain our closest equivalent of gangstas are chavs but they are fairly racially diverse.
Looks like Jaffa saved the day :v:
Thug is racially charged... what? Is this just another case of people purposely misinterpreting the use of a word in an attempt to make someone else out to be racist? Sigma, you are really trying your hardest to make everyone in this thread out to be racist, from complaining about the posts from twitter and now the word thug being used.
Is it too late to ask now what this was all about? :v:
lol in the same state a black woman got put away for 20 years for firing warning shots against her abusive husband [url]http://www.examiner.com/article/fla-mom-gets-20-years-jail-for-firing-warning-shots-against-abusive-husband[/url]
[QUOTE=deadoon;41454713]Thug is racially charged... what? Is this just another case of people purposely misinterpreting the use of a word in an attempt to make someone else out to be racist? Sigma, you are really trying your hardest to make everyone in this thread out to be racist, from complaining about the posts from twitter and now the word thug being used.[/QUOTE] He does it to appear as the shining beacon of intellect and humanity and everyone else is dirty racists. He has a serious superiority complex going on. Should we just use hoodlum instead of thug?
lol the only person who seems really racist is you SigmaLambda, for so honestly believing thug is a racially charged word.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41454426]I don't see anyone "suffering" any "consequences" though. I literally just said "hey don't use the word thug, it's racist, here's why:" and people really got freaked out and defensive.[/QUOTE] it's because we've been going to our meetings and worked really hard on our secret code words to oppress the black population
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