[QUOTE=popbob;41462850]Zimmerman was told to stop, instead he drew his gun and went after Martin. That's pretty concrete in and of itself that Zimmerman had bad intentions. It's quite obvious he wanted to put himself in a situation where he could kill someone and get away with it rather than actually keep his home and neighborhood secured like he claims.[/QUOTE]
"hey I didn't follow the case at all and haven't paid attention to evidence, but here's how I know it went down."
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;41462142]While I'd love to reply to all of you, I simply don't have the time to voice my opinion on an internet forum. Instead I'm taking my voice to the streets to help my community, and better the living conditions of my people. I'm tired of my mom being scared everytime I go out with my friends.
One thing I noticed however is that allot of you are pick and choosing what you want to believe in. For example allot of you choose to believe that Zimmerman was telling the truth about how many times he was hit not bringing into question that 25+ hits to face is enough to do more than just lacerations and a nose fracture. I rest my case in this department but lets just go over things we do know:
Trayvon was getting snacks for his cousin and on his way home
Trayvon was on the phone with his friend minding his own business
Zimmerman sees Trayvon and assumes the worst
Zimmerman approaches Trayvon, Fight occurs
Trayvon is dead
Now to say that Zimmerman couldn't have done anything differently and that fact the has said he wouldn't is appalling and a disgrace. I'm not screaming 2nd Degree Murder, nor Manslaughter-but responsibility. A responsibility that no one wants to own.
To end my comment in a thread that manifested out of bad context , I'd like to do the same by saying this:
A system cannot fail those it was never built to protect. We must remember that God is the ultimate judge in this thing called life. This justice system is man made, and please believe that no man will get away with murder of an innocent child under God's eyes. Continue praying for Trayvon's family and for the soul of a man who will receive judgment greater than a verdict could ever bestow.
God bless you all and I pray none of your familiar members are ever killed immorally or when they didn't have the right to be.[/QUOTE]
That's not how it happened though so here's a nice video you can watch that explains everything. If you don't want to take the time to learn the real facts, you don't deserve to argue about this case.
[video=youtube;bF-Ax5E8EJc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc[/video]
[QUOTE=popbob;41462850]Zimmerman was told to stop, instead he drew his gun and went after Martin. That's pretty concrete in and of itself that Zimmerman had bad intentions. It's quite obvious he wanted to put himself in a situation where he could kill someone and get away with it rather than actually keep his home and neighborhood secured like he claims.[/QUOTE]
Where in the evidence does it say he drew his weapon right after the dispatcher told him not to follow? The whole reason he got out of his vehicle was to try and locate him to better direct police dispatch. When dispatch said to stop he stopped outside. What happened after that nobody knows for sure save Zimmerman, because he was the only one who was there and saw it in it's entirety. Had he gone out with a gun drawn Martin wouldn't have had a chance to get on top of him, which ballistics and evidence proved was the case. It doesn't matter in terms of whether or not Zimmerman started the confrontation, as in he threw the first punch, since being on the ground and having your face pummeled is more than enough grounds to use deadly force to defend yourself. If that were the case Zimmerman would be up for manslaughter charges, but not murder.
[QUOTE=popbob;41462850]Zimmerman was told to stop, instead he drew his gun and went after Martin. That's pretty concrete in and of itself that Zimmerman had bad intentions. It's quite obvious he wanted to put himself in a situation where he could kill someone and get away with it rather than actually keep his home and neighborhood secured like he claims.[/QUOTE]
Tell me more about this evidence that Zimmerman "Drew his gun and went after Martin". I'm sure the prosecution could have used your testimony!
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;41462939]Tell me more about this evidence that Zimmerman "Drew his gun and went after Martin". I'm sure the prosecution could have used your testimony![/QUOTE]
I'm quickly learning after the verdict was handed down that several internet commentators would have made excellent allies of the prosecution with their seemingly incredible insight.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;41461621]I am disgusted with this thread. To say that no one should be liable for the life of a child minding his own business is pathetic. Especially a child that was without a doubt profiled by an armed man.
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Trayvon stopped minding his own business when he decided to assault and batter Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman being armed had nothing to do with confronting a suspicious person who doesn't belong to a neighborhood. In fact had he not have been armed Mr. Zimmerman would most likely be either severely injured, in a coma, or worst case worse, dead from continued battering. Also yes, Trayvon was profiled [i]but there's a difference[/i]. He was not profiled based on his race, he was profiled based on his appearance and activity.
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We can do all the assuming we want but one ASSUMPTION that wont bring back Trayvon Martin, Vincent Chin, Emmit Till, Oscar Grant, Sean Bell, Amadou Diallo , Undocumented Families, and the countless others unnamed is that if
George Zimmerman stayed in his car like he was trained to do, He would be alive at this very moment.
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Mr. Zimmerman was part of his neighborhood watch and undoubtedly he would be more active because of more recent burglaries in his community. There is no law against following someone (which can be argued he wasn't until he was attacked), but anyway he has a right to walk around in his [i]own[/i] neighborhood.
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Your missing the point Facepunch. This isn't about sensationalist smear campaigns this is about people wrongfully dying each day and having their murders walk scott free.
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No this was not a wrongful death. It's another case of rightful self defense. The only reason you're riled up about this is because our overly liberal sensationalist media watered and edited recordings and imagery to feed people like you to increase their ratings. How would networks increase their number of viewers: reporting an average case of self defense, or turning this average case of self defense into a hate crime? That's what fueled this whole fiasco in the first place.
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This is about how as a mixed Afro-Hispanic male I was taught by my mother to take my hands out of my pockets when I walked in a store (so they wouldn't think i was stealing), to not mind every store clerk watching me like a hawk, to not go out with anything in my hands to be mistaken for a gun, to not talk back to teachers so they wouldn't have an excuse not to throw me out of the AP class I had a right to be in because of my intelligence.
I have to go through things in my life that others will never have to go through simply because of the color of my skin and my justice system doesn't give one fuck.
Every black person I speak to knows that if the situation was polarized and Zimmerman was a black male, and trayvon was white, Zimmerman would be in prison. “Let me tell you something about privilege; it is so intoxicating that you will fool yourself that you don’t have it.”[/QUOTE]
If there's anything that's wrong with your intelligence it's the fact that you're taking an average case of self defense and adding "hate crime" to it while covering your ears every time someone lays out the facts.
I'm not convinced that every time you go out everybody is automatically watching you. And even if they were it's probably not because of your race, it's likely because of the way you dress and talk.
It's people like you who are pushing this situation to the limits and don't know when to stop and make the majority of the black population look bad.
Every sentence in your post is about race and why you deserve special treatment because of the color of your skin while you ignore the fact that white people can live in poorer conditions as well.
You, sir, are the true racist whether you believe it or not.
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Let's hope this doesn't escalate any further...
^ where is that
Top one is Los Angeles and bottom is Oakland California.
[QUOTE=Get Swag Son;41464061]^ where is that[/QUOTE]
Took all of 30 seconds to find out, seems to be san francisco.
[QUOTE=Topher81405;41464086]Top one is Los Angeles and bottom is Oakland California.[/QUOTE]
I seem to be having a problem with people ninjaing me recently.
For the dumb, oakland is part of the bay area, which I refer to as a whole "san francisco"
And also here is a news link;[URL]http://rt.com/usa/us-zimmerman-nationwide-protests-079/[/URL]
Just an observation I've made: Before the final decision quite a few Facepunchers were complaining that the jury was all-female and so was therefore biased. Now that the trial is over and he was found not-guility, it seems that most of Facepunch are saying things like having full confidence in the justice system. What?
It reminds me of those people who go out to experts and continue to ignore all advice they receive until they find an expert who they can agree with.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464112]Just an observation I've made: Before the final decision quite a few Facepunchers were complaining that the jury was all-female and so was therefore biased. Now that the trial is over and he was found not-guility, it seems that most of Facepunch are saying things like having full confidence in the justice system. What?[/QUOTE]
The jury was assumed to be biased due to the homogeneous group, however their actions proved that they weren't going to be emotionally swayed.
[QUOTE=deadoon;41464137]The jury was assumed to be biased due to the homogeneous group, however their actions proved that they weren't going to be emotionally swayed.[/QUOTE]
How were these actions proved? Because they considered Zimmerman to be not-guilty? What if they were emotionally swayed to aligning with Zimmerman?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464165]How were these actions proved? Because they considered Zimmerman to be not-guilty? What if they were emotionally swayed to aligning with Zimmerman?[/QUOTE]
Probably not because Zimmerman's defense lawyer specifically told the jury to leave emotion out and look at the facts
Its so obvious who watched the trial and who didn't just by reading posts. The trial was more than fair and the verdict was just.
[QUOTE=Get Swag Son;41464202]Probably not because Zimmerman's defense lawyer specifically told the jury to leave emotion out and look at the facts[/QUOTE]
Why should the jury take instructions from a lawyer? And how would it be guaranteed that the jury would listen to such a statement by the lawyer?
I'm not having a go at the jury, I have confidence that they made their decision based on the facts. I'm just commenting that Facepunch had a problem with the jury being all-female yet when the case went in Zimmerman's favour Facepunch had zero problem with the outcome.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464251]Why should the jury take instructions from a lawyer? And how would it be guaranteed that the jury would listen to such a statement by the lawyer?
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Probably because he is a lawyer and this trial took place in a court of law
If Zimmerman was found guilty then I would have no doubt that Facepunchers would be blaming the all-female jury over it, which is what I'm trying to say.
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[QUOTE=Get Swag Son;41464261]Probably because he is a lawyer and this trial took place in a court of law[/QUOTE]
The lawyer has no authority over the jury, he or she gives evidence and argues for their client but he or she does not instruct the jury to do this or do that.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464276]If Zimmerman was found guilty then I would have no doubt that Facepunchers would be blaming the all-female jury over it, which is what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE]
We were upset because it was an all female jury, which could promote bias. However, the outcome was not swayed by bias due to the evidence and thus we are happy. Of course we would be upset if he was found guilty with the evidence that was presented.
For all we know Zimmerman could have kill martin in cold blood, however there was not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did so.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464276]If Zimmerman was found guilty then I would have no doubt that Facepunchers would be blaming the all-female jury over it, which is what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE]
Probably
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464165]How were these actions proved? Because they considered Zimmerman to be not-guilty? What if they were emotionally swayed to aligning with Zimmerman?[/QUOTE]
The reason I say they were not emotionaly swayed was due to the portrayal by nearly all outlets that Trayvon had done nothing wrong.
The jury had asked for clarification on the charges, and had determined that his actions did not fit with those charges.
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The lawyer has no authority over the jury, he or she gives evidence and argues for their client but he or she does not instruct the jury to do this or do that.[/QUOTE]
Watch the trial. He recommended they look at evidence and recommended to judge his client based on fact. If you would have seen the prosecution's closing...
they literally opened up with "Look into your heart"
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41464251]Why should the jury take instructions from a lawyer? And how would it be guaranteed that the jury would listen to such a statement by the lawyer?
I'm not having a go at the jury, I have confidence that they made their decision based on the facts. I'm just commenting that Facepunch had a problem with the jury being all-female yet when the case went in Zimmerman's favour Facepunch had zero problem with the outcome.[/QUOTE]
Its not like the defense lawyer didn't have a say in the final jury. I'm sure the prosecutors wanted black people on jury but the defense undoubtedly removed them. If the defense was scared about the final jury, they could have called for a restart(At least in Texas anyway).
The only reason people were getting worked up over the all female jury was the fact that its so uncommon. The prosecution was really focused on the emotional side of the case, and people were afraid that the all female jury might not look at the facts and instead just rely on their instincts.
[QUOTE=deadoon;41464137]The jury was assumed to be biased due to the homogeneous group, however their actions proved that they weren't going to be emotionally swayed.[/QUOTE]
If you initially assumed that they would be more easily "emotionally swayed" simply because they were female then you're retarded
Not that retarded people on Facepunch is surprising
[QUOTE=Mexican;41464345]If you initially assumed that they would be "emotionally swayed" simply because they were female then you're retarded[/QUOTE]
Please note I said "homogeneous group" if it was 6 guys I would still call it as biased to similar extent, if they were more mixed in race I wouldn't have said homogeneous either.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;41464339]The prosecution was really focused on the emotional side of the case, and people were afraid that the all female jury might not look at the facts and instead just rely on their instincts.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying an all male jury would be more reasonable?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;41464368]Are you implying an all male jury would be more reasonable?[/QUOTE]
Watch your tone, peasant. You are speaking to a representative of the Facepunch Hivemind.
[QUOTE=deadoon;41464367]Please note I said "homogeneous group" if it was 6 guys I would still call it as biased to similar extent, if they were more mixed in race I wouldn't have said homogeneous either.[/QUOTE]
But if it were six guys I doubt you'd cite emotion as your concern.
[QUOTE=Mexican;41464396]But if it were six guys I doubt you'd cite emotion as your concern.[/QUOTE]
What, any homogeneous group is able to be swayed emotionally by similar things, empathy and sympathy are relatively easy to manipulate if you are dealing with a group of people that are not too diverse.
And you basically just said that guys don't have emotions.
People need to stop saying Trayvon was "unarmed."
He had arms.
He used them to break Zimmerman's nose and smash his head into the concrete.
Furthermore, everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that those "skittles and iced tea" he supposedly bought were actually skittles and a particular brand of tropical fruit punch, which, when combined with Robitussin, make up a drug cocktail called DMX, one which he'd spoken about using before through SMS with his friends. You can try to play the whole skittles and soft drink thing as a "super innocent" line, but that's not what happened. He was buying drug supplies.
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