[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;32923887]It will be funny since Gaddafi's mumbling about Al Quaeda fighting with rebels will end up being truth.[/QUOTE]
Because everyone who is a muslim is linked to Al Queda.
No but it means that Islamic extremists will have huge influence in the country which isn't a good news.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;32925757]No but it means that Islamic extremists will have huge influence in the country which isn't a good news.[/QUOTE]
You cannot predict this.
So.. I wonder if there are still ghaddafi loyalist out there?
[QUOTE=ITokez;32927018]So.. I wonder if there are still ghaddafi loyalist out there?[/QUOTE]
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5BmYY.jpg[/IMG]
Saif al-Islam will continue the fight
Muammar Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam is not wounded and taken prisoner. Now he has made his first statement since her father was killed.
- I say go to hell, you and NATO, says Saif al-Islam.
Saif al-Islam's destiny has since Thursday been surrounded by various rumors.
He is said to be badly wounded, but one arm, and taken prisoner. He is said to have escaped.
None of this is true, says Saif in an audio recording that was broadcast in a Syrian-based television channel, Al Arabiya reported.
"This is our country"
Saif will continue to fight against the rats and NATO, he said according to Al Arabiya, in the statement.
I say Go to hell, you and NATO behind you. >This is our country, we live here, we are dying here and we continue to fight, says Saif.
Saif claims that he is unhurt after fighting in Sirte, which it has previously been conflicting reports.
Gaddafi left testament
The statement is in line with the Gaddafi said during the eight months the struggle for land has been going on.
And Gaddafi continues to call for battle - after his death.
It is said to be his will, according to the BBC, published on the dictator's site, Seven days news. Testament to Gaddafi have given to three of her relatives before his death.
I ask my supporters to continue the resistance and fight against Libya's foreign invaders, today, tomorrow and always, he writes.[/quote]
He should wait for better timing instead of rushing out immediately in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;32925757]No but it means that Islamic extremists will have huge influence in the country which isn't a good news.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbsx_vZTcNI[/media]
We'll see.
[QUOTE=smurfy;32907915]Imagine what Bashar al-Assad thought when he saw the videos of Gaddafi's last moments[/QUOTE]Relevant:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwHOWUPKuo[/media]
Gaddaffi was preaching a few years ago in the Arab league about how all the Arab dictators will soon fall. And guess who was laughing, Bashar.
Looking at the videos during early civil war sure makes stuff interesting.
It's interesting how things changed.
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q&feature=related[/MEDIA]
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMugPQC4ZY[/MEDIA]
[sp]Just waiting for someone to complain about Russia Today.[/sp]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lytjBS86N0[/media]
The NTC is currently asking for NATO to continue air strikes. It isn't very surprising.
Some other interesting stories.
[quote]SIRTE, Libya – Libyans continued to celebrate their independence in Tripoli on Monday, and in Misrata, they lined up to see the corpse of Moammar Gadhafi. In Sirte, where the dictator and his regime met its end at the hands of rebel forces, some people were not in a joyous mood.
Libyans load belongings into a car in Sirte on Monday. The city was heavily damaged during fighting between rebels and Moammar Gadhafi loyalists.
"No, I won't be celebrating tonight," Fatma Zidane said, standing in front of her house in Sirte's District 2, site of some of the fiercest fighting during the past month.
[B]"I am very angry. Look at this," she said amid shells and rubble from artillery fire that littered the ground around her. "Our house is destroyed. … Everything is gone, the televisions, the blankets, jewelry, mobile phones, all the electronics."[/B]
Mustafa Abdul-Jalil said in Benghazi that the National Transitional Council has formed a committee to investigate Thursday's killing of Gadhafi in his hometown of Sirte. He suggested that Gadhafi, who ruled with an iron fist for 42 years, could have been killed by his own supporters to prevent him from implicating them in past misdeeds.
Sirte is a ghost town now. Hardly a building does not bear at least a few bullet holes, and many have partially collapsed from the intensive artillery battles that went on for a month.
Zidane and her sisters have been renting a house in Zuwawa, about 3 miles from Sirte, since they fled the fighting in mid-September. They returned to pick up some of their belongings but found their living room burned, windows destroyed and debris littering the hallways.
Most of the fighters from Benghazi and Misrata have gone home. Few civilians have returned, and only the odd gun truck races through the empty streets, wheels skidding and drivers calling out "Allahu akbar!" or "God is great," the byword of the revolution. The stench of putrefying bodies wafts through the air, combined with a fetid smell from standing water that swamps some of the main streets.
Rounding a corner cautiously through water that reached the wheel wells of his sedan, Ali Mohammed stuck his head out the window and shouted support for Gadhafi.
[B]"Now, there is no place to sleep, no place to eat. Where is Europe? Where is the USA? They have to come and see this," he said. "Gadhafi was here for 42 years, there was no war, and I don't know if the new government is good or not. I have to see first."[/B]
[B]Destruction and looting are not the only things that await Sirte's returning residents. More than 50 bodies have been found near the seaside at Sirte's Hotel Mahari. Some of the bodies had their hands bound behind their backs. Local volunteers were putting them into body bags while others searched for their relatives.
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[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-25/libya-sirte-gadhafi/50897950/1[/url][/quote]
This is going to cause huge issues no matter what the situation. Part of the issue is the reconstruction and the immense drop in the standard of living for many. The other part of the issue is that there is no way someone who had their house destroyed by NATO is going to have good feelings towards the west, which is likely to create a lot of tension and radicalism.
[quote]Fifty-three pro-Gadhafi individuals were executed at a hotel in the Libyan town of Sirte last week, according to Human Rights Watch. At the time of the killings, the hotel was in an area under the control of National Transitional Council (NTC) fighters from Misrata.
[B]“We found 53 decomposing bodies, apparently Gaddafi supporters, at an abandoned hotel in Sirte, and some had their hands bound behind their backs when they were shot,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, who investigated the killings. “This requires the immediate attention of the Libyan authorities to investigate what happened and hold accountable those responsible.”[/B]
Some of the decomposing bodies had their hands tied behind their backs and others had bandaged wounds, suggesting they had been treated for other injuries before being put to death.
Before the dust settled from Gadhafi’s death and celebrations from Western leaders had calmed, news of war crimes committed by the US-backed NTC began to surface yet again. Word of the massacre of 53 individuals by NTC fighters came after it was revealed that Gadhafi had been captured, beaten, and executed instead of “caught in the crossfire” as NTC leaders had claimed.
[B]In addition, NTC forces have approximately 7,000 prisoners of war detained in makeshift jails where they have been neglected for weeks, facing serious abuse and torture, without ever being charged[/B]. Unfortunately, this is not the first time the NTC fighters have been accused of extrajudicial killing, illegal detentions, and torture.
There have been some minor calls for investigations into these crimes by the NTC, but none purport to implicate their American and European counterparts who facilitated their rebellion and rise to power.
[url]http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/24/ntc-executed-53-pro-gadhafi-individuals/[/url][/quote]
NTC has a terrible human rights record, and there is no reason to ever consider them to be any more humane than Gaddafi. NATO's role in this is just as bad if not worse. If anything, the NTC learned how to fight a war from western powers.
[quote][B]A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi's rear end.[/B]
GlobalPost correspondent Tracey Shelton said there is some question as to whether the instrument was a knife from the end of a gun, which Libyans call a Bicketti, or a utilitiy tool known as a Becker Knife and Tool, which is popularly known as a BKT.
This latest video discovery comes as international and human rights groups call for a formal investigation into how the former Libyan leader was killed. In video clips that have emerged of his capture, Gaddafi can be seen injured but alive. Later he is seen with what appears to be gunshot wounds to his head and chest. According to the Geneva Conventions, however, abuse of prisoners under any circumstance is not permissible.
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20124758-503543/globalpost-qaddafi-apparently-sodomized-after-capture/[/url][/quote]
Absolutely ridiculous. Whoever took part in the murder of Gaddafi need to be tried.
[quote]The British government’s role in the “rendition” of top Libyan rebels to the Gadhafi regime is taking another embarrassing hit today, as new documents found in Tripoli show even British intelligence believed it was a major mistake.
[B]The documents, stamped “secret” and found in the British Ambassador’s abandoned residence, revealed that British intelligence feared the renditions of Abdulhakim Belhaj and Sami Saadi had removed the most nationalist and moderate elements from Libya’s Islamist insurgency, and shifted the group toward al-Qaeda-style regional terror attacks.[/B]
One of the documents even revealed that the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group became involved in smuggling fighters into Iraq to fight the US and British run occupation. The LIFG eventually merged outright with al-Qaeda in 2007.
Of course the LIFG’s importance has grown markedly since the NATO-backed rebellion took over Libya, and Belhaj, the group’s former leader, became the military commander for the National Transitional Council (NTC).
And Belhaj hasn’t forgotten the British government’s military intelligence (MI6) role in his kidnapping, nor the CIA’s torture before he was turned over to Gadhafi’s regime. He has demanded an apology and threatened legal action. Saadi has also said he plans to file a lawsuit against Britain over the matter.
The British government declined comment on the new documents, saying they do not comment on leaks, but it is clear that the new revelations will paint the already ugly tactics in an even uglier light.
[url]http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/24/tripoli-docs-british-spies-feared-mi6-renditions-helped-al-qaeda/[/url][/quote]
No surprise.
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