• Puerto Rico Voting on Statehood - As of 12:30 AM PST with 90% reported, statehood option at ~61.5%
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[QUOTE=Camundongo;38364714]But why would you assume that the spoiled ballots are anti-statehood, if there are anti-statehood options on the ballot? It would be like assuming spoilt ballots on a YES/NO referendum equated to NO - they equate to nothing or an abstention - i.e someone who doesn't support either side of a vote or cares how it's settled.[/QUOTE] I'm not a political scientist, but I feel like those people are more informed than us which is why they assume that. [QUOTE=KnightVista;38364930]Are they officially a state now or what?[/QUOTE] No, more things have to happen in OUR government first. And for people calling for a "merging" of states, that will never happen as there is too much in place government established in those states to be changed and the actual people living there would not want to merge with another state for a wide variety of reasons (taxes, laws etc).
Guise, I have the perfect flag. [IMG_THUMB]http://i.imgur.com/FtJGb.jpg[/IMG_THUMB]
[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110305193257/fairlyoddparents/en/images/9/9d/MrRight111.png[/img] It's the only way
Whatever you do, please don't merge the Carolinas.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;38365735]Whatever you do, please don't merge the Carolinas.[/QUOTE] No one is going to merge states, don't worry about it.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38365741]No one is going to merge states, don't worry about it.[/QUOTE] Okay Grumps McGirt.
That flag with the stars arranged in a circle reminds of this one: [IMG]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110210052351/falloutfanfic/images/f/f6/USA_Flag_Pre-War_(1).png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;38365785]That flag with the stars arranged in a circle reminds of this one: [IMG]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110210052351/falloutfanfic/images/f/f6/USA_Flag_Pre-War_(1).png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121015213418/fallout/images/3/39/John_henry_eden_685787.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Sand;38365298]I'm not a political scientist, but I feel like those people are more informed than us which is why they assume that.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. He can easily be just as biased and skew it to make his point seem more important. Appeal to authority fallacy; just because he has a title doesn't mean anything. Similarly, as you left out of your quote from the CNN article, someone else brings up right after that a very valid point. [quote]But McClintock accounts for the number of blank votes by explaining that those who voted to keep the current status would have left the question of alternatives blank.[/quote] Similarly, I saw nowhere in either article that they would be holding a second vote on the matter, unless you mean one by the government of Puerto Rico itself. But even that wasn't mentioned in either article. So my question is, what the hell are you doing?
I think they should become independent. I wonder how they will react once their governor is being bribed to support bills and such(Legalized corruption).
[QUOTE=laserguided;38367408]I think they should become independent. I wonder how they will react once their governor is being bribed to support bills and such(Legalized corruption).[/QUOTE] Lol what the hell are you talking about. There is no such thing as legalized corruption.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38367416]Lol what the hell are you talking about. There is no such thing as legalized corruption.[/QUOTE] Lobbyism, its essentially bribing someone to support your shit. And its legal.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38367421]Lobbyism, its essentially bribing someone to support your shit. And its legal.[/QUOTE]I feel like I have to constantly remind people of what lobbying actually is. [quote]Lobbying (also lobby) is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in the government, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies.[/quote] [quote] Lobbying is often spoken of with contempt, when the implication is that people with inordinate socioeconomic power are corrupting the law (twisting it away from fairness) in order to serve their own conflict of interest. But another side of lobbying is making sure that others' interests are duly defended against others' corruption, or even simply making sure that minority interests are fairly defended against mere tyranny of the majority. For example, a medical association, or a trade association of health insurance companies, may lobby a legislature in order to counteract the influence of tobacco companies, in which case the lobbying would be viewed by most people as justified (duly defending against others' corruption).[/quote] Lobbying is not the issue, its something necessary for our government to function. The problem is bribery under the guise of lobbying.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38367917]I feel like I have to constantly remind people of what lobbying actually is. Lobbying is not the issue, its something necessary for our government to function. The problem is bribery under the guise of lobbying.[/QUOTE] True, but most lobbyism is backed up with money. See Israel and publishing companies.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38368040]True, but most lobbyism is backed up with money. See Israel and publishing companies.[/QUOTE]That's my point. That is just bribery under the guise of lobbying.
and its bad
Sooooo statehood or no?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;38368629]Sooooo statehood or no?[/QUOTE]Basically the people have said they want statehood. The Puerto Rico government will have to work with Congress to finalize it, which could take some time. But its a good start.
Good way to break cloture.
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