• Donald Trump says 'any negative polls are fake news'
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[QUOTE=_Axel;51785478]I was referring to the whole "without the electoral college only a few cities would decide for everybody" nonsense.[/QUOTE] I'm not defending it, that's just how it is.
[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51785342]That's how it was designed. Don't think of it as population voting. It's the counties within each state that make the votes. They made it county based so rural and smaller areas could still have sway.[/QUOTE] And that's stupid design because rural counties don't have political ideas, the [I]people in them[/I] do. There's no reason any one person should have more voting power than another: It's kind of the whole point of democracy to not let minorities make decisions that the majority doesn't want. If you truly believe that a president elected by the majority can't represent people in rural states, then what you're really saying is that the United States can't function as united states.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51783987][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828575949268606977[/media] He does what now?[/QUOTE] the way he writes, its just so, odd
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51785847]the way he writes, its just so, odd[/QUOTE] Maybe he's trying to move up to 5th grade level writing
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51785847]the way he writes, its just so, odd[/QUOTE] I don't think he actually wrote that tweet. Between the grammar and the vocabulary used, I believe someone else wrote it. The syntax is more complex than his usual tweets. Especially considering he probably can't read very well.
There's probably like 8 different people that use his twitter account on a regular basis, along with a few dozen more that have used it at least once.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51785944]There's probably like 8 different people that use his twitter account on a regular basis, along with a few dozen more that have used it at least once.[/QUOTE] The @POTUS twitter is handled by someone else but Ronald McDonald Trump is the only one in charge of @realdonaldtrump as far as I'm aware.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51784437]i wish that saying "its a republic not a democracy" was bannable republics and democracies are not mutually exclusive things. the united states is both a republic and democracy where the fuck did this meme of "republic not democracy" even come from?[/QUOTE] Well, it could be argued that Rome was a republic to the exclusion of being a democracy. As we are seeing increasingly here in the states, it gradually became too riddled with corruption and bogged down with political infighting to effectively represent the will of the people. Studying Rome's case might give us some idea of what happens when democracies become too broken to fulfill their function. Rioting, breakdown in the rule of law, martial law, juntas and civil war followed by a regression into authoritarianism. Sitting here in the center of what could possibly be the very beginnings of a long decline is, while deeply disturbing, undeniably fascinating.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51786648]Well, it could be argued that Rome was a republic to the exclusion of being a democracy. As we are seeing increasingly here in the states, it gradually became too riddled with corruption and bogged down with political infighting to effectively represent the will of the people. Studying Rome's case might give us some idea of what happens when democracies become too broken to fulfill their function. Rioting, breakdown in the rule of law, martial law, juntas and civil war followed by a regression into authoritarianism. Sitting here in the center of what could possibly be the very beginnings of a long decline is, while deeply disturbing, undeniably fascinating.[/QUOTE] america still has a few centuries left in it. also its dumb to compare the USA and ancient Rome, but it is interesting to do it if you are a fiction writer
So why aren't we hearing anything from the GOP side of Congress about how he is acting unfit? Clearly they must see that this is lunacy when he makes these horrible claims that go against our very democracy?
[QUOTE=Potus;51786837]So why aren't we hearing anything from the GOP side of Congress about how he is acting unfit? Clearly they must see that this is lunacy when he makes these horrible claims that go against our very democracy?[/QUOTE] The plan is to force through as many extreme right wing legislation/executive orders as possible, then boot him out when he's useless.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51786700]america still has a few centuries left in it. also its dumb to compare the USA and ancient Rome, but it is interesting to do it if you are a fiction writer[/QUOTE] I'm everything matches up with Rome. I'm just wondering out loud how much the system can take before it folds. Oh, call me curious, but where are you getting "a few centuries" from?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51787257]I'm everything matches up with Rome. I'm just wondering out loud how much the system can take before it folds. Oh, call me curious, but where are you getting "a few centuries" from?[/QUOTE] a few centuries because there's still scientific innovation and development in addition to further economic and demographic expansion. although all of them are subject to rapidly diminishing returns i don't see things contracting (and thus we diminish our capital reserves) for a few more centuries yet
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51787273]a few centuries because there's still scientific innovation and development in addition to further economic and demographic expansion. although all of them are subject to rapidly diminishing returns i don't see things contracting (and thus we diminish our capital reserves) for a few more centuries yet[/QUOTE] Odd. I was under the (admittedly vague) impression that we had, at most, several decades of growth left. What sources are you reading that I'm not reading, and where can I go to read them?
Trump is trying SO HARD to be like a totalitarian leader, good thing he's massively unpopular still.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51784010]No, I'm going to argue that he's not legitimate and I think people should stop pretending that it is. The fact he was put in power by a convoluted system whereby primaries, party politics, gerrymandering, the electoral college, and the lack of accountability all combined to give a president that nobody wants, that is thoroughly unfit for the job, and is actively damaging the country. People should not treat this usurper as though he were the president, because I don't think he is the legitimate president. Saying all of this bullshit about the byzantine electoral system is just a smokescreen for a political system that has ceased to possess legitimacy.[/QUOTE] By your logic, all of the US presidents are illegitimate because they work by a democratic system that you disagree with.
[QUOTE=Potus;51786837]So why aren't we hearing anything from the GOP side of Congress about how he is acting unfit? Clearly they must see that this is lunacy when he makes these horrible claims that go against our very democracy?[/QUOTE] McCain has butted heads with him a few times.
If rural areas arbitrarily have more sway then I say we game the system by encouraging a liberal diaspora into rural America. If they want to game the system then so can we.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51787421]Odd. I was under the (admittedly vague) impression that we had, at most, several decades of growth left. What sources are you reading that I'm not reading, and where can I go to read them?[/QUOTE] Sobotnik is being extremely generous but the problem isn't really the inability to develop but rather that the government's flaws support the careers of almost every politician in the country but are essentially terminal for the union. Instead of acknowledging these flaws our politicians place the blame on individuals, a lack of willpower from voters, or if they're really generous they may pretend that a symptom is the cause. Very few people know the easy way to get these problems out of their lives, but almost everyone knows the hard way. And the hard way is only going to look easier as time passes. Of course, a politician with any amount of foresight wouldn't let some convenient flaws with the government tear the country apart, but foresight is scarce in Washington.
[QUOTE=MetalGear;51784029]Current Year has been the best year so far![/QUOTE] The best is yet to come Solid snake.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51784037]I'd say legitimacy under a democratic system necessarily implies being the choice of the majority of voters.[/QUOTE] No one got a majority. Hillary got 48%.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;51788216]No one got a majority. Hillary got 48%.[/QUOTE] Majority literally just means "the greater number". There's a difference between a simple majority and an absolute majority.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51788247]Majority literally just means "the greater number". There's a difference between a simple majority and an absolute majority.[/QUOTE] A simple majority means more than half of votes cast. The term for more votes than any other candidate without a majority is Plurality or Relative Majority.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51787508]By your logic, all of the US presidents are illegitimate because they work by a democratic system that you disagree with.[/QUOTE] Almost every other president who won the electoral vote won the popular vote. There are less than 5 cases of the electoral not matching the popular.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51788247]Majority literally just means "the greater number". There's a difference between a simple majority and an absolute majority.[/QUOTE] That's plurality. Majority means greater than 50%.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51788247]Majority literally just means "the greater number". There's a difference between a simple majority and an absolute majority.[/QUOTE] Personally I prefer "plurality", it's more clear.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;51788314]That's plurality. Majority means greater than 50%.[/QUOTE] As far as I can find plurality is purely semantics. It means literally the same thing as a relative majority in other areas. Saying "nobody got a majority" is just arguing semantics and is ultimately meaningless. In any event the way Axel used "majority" as in the context of "the greater number" which is still a valid definition of majority. [url]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority[/url] [quote]4: the group or political party having the greater number of votes (as in a legislature)[/quote]
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