Facebook adding new gender options, preferred pronoun choices for users
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[QUOTE=katbug;43906093]Extremists use it all the time to discredit anyone that's on the average side of sexuality
"cis scum"- the word cis just sounds disgusting to say.[/QUOTE]
this is the most curious non-sequitur i've seen in a fair while. what does this have to do with the thread at all. no one else is talking about this because i don't see why anyone should care about niche tumblr group x.
Extremists use a word
that must mean that the word is extremist
Racists sometimes use "blacks" as an insult, but that doesn't mean that "black" is a slur.
[editline]14th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=katbug;43906164]Hetero isn't used almost exclusively to shame someone for being sexually average.[/QUOTE]
Neither is cis
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43906176]this is the most curious non-sequitur i've seen in a fair while. what does this have to do with the thread at all. no one else is talking about this because i don't see why anyone should care about niche tumblr group x.[/QUOTE]
I said it was a good thing that facebook did this in class today and someone said that I was "surprisingly insightful for being cis"
[QUOTE=katbug;43906229]I said it was a good thing that facebook did this in class today and someone said that I was "surprisingly insightful for being cis"[/QUOTE]
where the fuck do you go to school
because that's absurd
But yeah, a lot of people use "cis" just as a descriptor, not an insult.
such as the post you pointed out before saying "cis is such a nasty sounding term and is almost exclusively used by extremists"
[QUOTE=katbug;43906229]I said it was a good thing that facebook did this in class today and someone said that I was "surprisingly insightful for being cis"[/QUOTE]
how did they pronounce it because i've never been completely clear on that
[QUOTE=katbug;43906229]I said it was a good thing that facebook did this in class today and someone said that I was "surprisingly insightful for being cis"[/QUOTE]
Where in the world is this exactly? I've been to quite a few places and live in California myself, yet I don't think I've ever heard anything this strawman-esque.
[QUOTE=Last or First;43906238]where the fuck do you go to school
because that's absurd[/QUOTE]
A little tiny charter, has around 300 student body total.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;43906241]how did they pronounce it because i've never been completely clear on that[/QUOTE]
s-i-ss
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;43906241]how did they pronounce it because i've never been completely clear on that[/QUOTE]
I believe it's 'siss'.
[QUOTE=Megafan;43906256]Where in the world is this exactly? I've been to quite a few places and live in California myself, yet I don't think I've ever heard anything this strawman-esque.[/QUOTE]
My school's pretty obscure and it's totally an isolated incident but it still pissed me off.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906263]My school's pretty obscure and it's totally an isolated incident but it still pissed me off.[/QUOTE]
Well then it's no more reasonable than me denouncing the entire prefix of hetero- because some one-off idiot used it as an insult. Don't just interject with meaningless non-sequiturs that have no relevance to the broader situation.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906263]My school's pretty obscure and it's totally an isolated incident but it still pissed me off.[/QUOTE]
Is it a school for hipsters
"I bet you don't even know what a charter school is, let alone heard of MY school
now leave me and my Columbian decaffeinated coffee crystals alone"
I've always just pronounced it "siz". At least in my head, I haven't said the term out loud much.
Is it supposed to sound like "sis"?
katbug why do you think sisters are disgusting
[QUOTE=Megafan;43906289]Well then it's no more reasonable than me denouncing the entire prefix of hetero- because some one-off idiot used it as an insult. Don't just interject with meaningless non-sequiturs that have no relevance to the broader situation.[/QUOTE]
I was probably just venting, had a pretty shit day.
But I've also never heard the phrase "cis" in a positive connotation, only when referring to someone as hetero in a derogatory manner.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906306]I was probably just venting, had a pretty shit day.
But I've also never heard the phrase "cis" in a positive connotation, only when referring to someone as hetero in a derogatory manner.[/QUOTE]
For one thing, it has nothing to do with being hetero, but the reason it's not often used is because there aren't many situations one would use it, except as a contrast to transgender, which is itself rather rare.
Do you live in opposite "gays oppressing straights, trans oppressing cis" land?
Or are you pulling anecdotes out of your ass
[editline]13th February 2014[/editline]
Wait a fucking minute this is katbug.
Katbug already admitted he hasn't taken High school biology yet so he's like a sophmore in highschool at most
[QUOTE=katbug;43906164]Hetero isn't used almost exclusively to shame someone for being sexually average.[/QUOTE]
lol he's taking offense to the notion that maybe people don't like it when everyone but them gets exclusive use of the words "normal" and "average"
how cute
cisgender/cissexual are perfectly fine descriptive words, getting upset over it and insisting on just being called normal/average is like pointing in the face of every trans* person and saying "you're WEIRD"
How the hell do you average a population without excluding outlier groups anyways.
There is no social average and the concept of normalcy is so completely subjective that it means no thing
[QUOTE=katbug;43905904]Fuck the phrase cis. Seriously.
Like I should be ashamed of my gender.[/QUOTE]
What.
I can understand if people don't like hearing themselves labelled as something, but the word doesn't even mean anything to be ashamed of.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906229]I said it was a good thing that facebook did this in class today and someone said that I was "surprisingly insightful for being cis"[/QUOTE]
How is that even an insult anyway? Cis people have no reason in particular to know anything about LGBT issues, so it's at least a little bit surprising that you know things.
[editline]13th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43906355]How the hell do you average a population without excluding outlier groups anyways.
There is no social average and the concept of normalcy is so completely subjective that it means no thing[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that...
[QUOTE=be;43906401]How is that even an insult anyway?[B] Cis people have no reason in particular to know anything about LGBT issues,[/B] so it's at least a little bit surprising that you know things.[/QUOTE]
awareness is a good thing. no one should be kept in the dark. being ignorant about an issue like transphobia only makes it worse.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906306]But I've also never heard the phrase "cis" in a positive connotation, only when referring to someone as hetero in a derogatory manner.[/QUOTE]
Once you actually leave Tumblr and start talking to sane people, it's primarily used to refer to "not trans" (because "not trans" is a little bit of a mouthful).
I'm close friends with one or two people who actually say things like "cishet" as part of their standard lexicon, and since they're part of the general functioning public it's not meant to be, or perceived as, a slur.
[QUOTE=katbug;43906306]I was probably just venting, had a pretty shit day.
But I've also never heard the phrase "cis" in a positive connotation, only when referring to someone as hetero in a derogatory manner.[/QUOTE]
Well look at the types of people who are likely to use the word 'cis', or even converse about gender/sexuality issues. They're typically people with strong opinions, and often those who feel emotionally invested because the overall issue at hand has impacted them in some way. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, but yeah.
Facebook won't even let me type in my own custom gender. I have to be fit into one of their boxes.
Yeah there are thousands of boxes but still..
[QUOTE=be;43906401]
I don't know about that...[/QUOTE]
If you averaged the population of the planet in order to find "baseline" normal no one would be baseline normal unless they excluded massive swathes of the population from the average; this would of course invalidate such an action.
Then we get to the arbitrary definition of the word normalcy and how "normal" varies so wildly from culture to culture (All the way down to city to city differences) that it is completely void of all significant meaning.
[QUOTE=Appox;43902995]I think there should be 'other' and you can enter whatever. Why have a big list of terms if gender is now this open thing? Come up with your own label, be the one in control. When it was just Male and Female at least you could then define what you actually felt of yourself with the content you posted, which overall is all anyone cares about anyway.[/QUOTE]
You're not even discussing the subject matter, are you? You're just blanket-slating labels and using this discussion as a goddamn cover for that. Grow the fuck up.
[quote]When it was just Male and Female at least you could then define what you actually felt of yourself with the content you posted, which overall is all anyone cares about anyway.[/quote]
I'm sorry, what? How in the hell does changing from your previous gender to Trans* Woman change the content you post? How does it change your manner of typing and the contexts your content is posted in? How does that harm anyone else? Who gives a [B]fuck?[/B]
[quote] at least you could then define what you actually felt of yourself with the content you posted, which overall is all anyone cares about anyway.[/quote]
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't suddenly change my FB gender to something I don't identify as to fit in. (which seems to be the gist of your argument, and big-hitter hint here, slugger: [B][U]people do not suddenly swap their identification to fit in unless they're already a dumbass, and the actions of dumbasses should not define the rules for people who are not dumbasses.[/U][/B])
I don't see your point whatsoever, you're just flat-out blanket slating labels and this change for literally no reason and finding literally any miniscule reason you can to tar it with a shit-smeared brush. Have a goddamn argument.
[QUOTE=lavacano;43906416]Once you actually leave Tumblr and start talking to sane people, it's primarily used to refer to "not trans" (because "not trans" is a little bit of a mouthful).
I'm close friends with one or two people who actually say things like "cishet" as part of their standard lexicon, and since they're part of the general functioning public it's not meant to be, or perceived as, a slur.[/QUOTE]
I'm probably just being exposed to shitty people then.
[QUOTE=.Lain;43899603]HAHA can i identify as a vegetable? (LOL)[/QUOTE]
Okay, let me grab my hammer and bash you in the head.
[QUOTE=uberKAOS;43906767]Okay, let me grab my hammer and bash you in the head.[/QUOTE]
what the hell?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43906845]what the hell?[/QUOTE]
vegetable = Dane bramage obviously
[editline]13th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43906845]what the hell?[/QUOTE]
vegetable = Dane bramage obviously
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[QUOTE=sltungle;43904497]I'm not gonna lie, I still find the whole gender spectrum thing to be incredibly weird and I still raise my eyebrow at some of the people I see who are incredible... specific. But... fuck, not my place to tell them what they can and can't do, and it's not impacting my life or anyone else's life in any negative way, so if they're desperate to apply some really weird label to themselves then more power to them I suppose.[/QUOTE]
It's probably because there's an extremely blurry line between having a nonbinary gender and wanting to be a special snowflake
If you think you're a man instead of a woman or vice versa then fair enough, but the thing that gets me about nonbinary genders is how oddly specific they are. what makes people prefer "Xhe" over "Zhe"? what the hell is the difference aside from spelling? etc.
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