• EA: Steam vs Origin not a “proper battle,” there’s space for both
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[QUOTE=Neolithic v2;32661500]Facepunch apperantly supports monopoly [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] yet hates apple[/QUOTE] Apple has no monopoly, it tries to get one by suing every competitor. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=pdp;32663123]i hate programs like Steam and Origin. I don't like not "truly" owning my games. Being forced to use programs. I like the Steam community and friends thing, though.[/QUOTE] If you buy it retail you're only just buying a license to use their software too. No different from digital distribution. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;32664585]Are you a fucking idiot? Or are you blind? From reading the article, even just the title of the OP it will tell you that [B]EA doesn't want to compete with Steam[/B]. What part of "[I]I would say that we’re introducing Origin as our consumer relationship platform. We want to build a platform that allows consumers to have the best experience you could ever had with EA games[/I]" do you not get? Holy fuck.[/QUOTE] Are you dense? Or are you dense? The only reason to launch a platform that does the exact same thing the platform of a different company does, is to compete with that other company. You can't coexist in the same industry without competing with other company's, it doesn't exist. The very fact that you're there is competition/
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664674]So Nadeo wants to compete with Steam because Trackmania 2 is exclusive to ManiaPlanet and Mojang wants to compete with Steam because Minecraft is exclusive to the Mojang site? What is your point? Oh and by the way, BF3 isn't exclusive to Origin. Or, are both Direct2Drive and Gamersgate as well as possibly some other services owned by EA? It's a conspiracy![/QUOTE] Nadeo and Mojang don't offer a download manager for games, the only thing they're doing is distribute their own game on their own website. Now if they launched a platform similar to Origin and Steam, then yes, they would be trying to compete with Steam. BF3 has to be activated on origin no matter where you bought it from. Please do try again.
[QUOTE=Neolithic v2;32661500]Facepunch apperantly supports monopoly [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] yet hates apple[/QUOTE] Does apple actually have a monopoly?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;32664707]Does apple actually have a monopoly?[/QUOTE] They don't.
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664737]So Nadeo and Mojang aren't competing against Steam because they don't offer a download manager (oh and by the way, Nadeo does have a download manager), but EA is apparently competing against Steam because it has a download manager, yet they only offer their own games. What's the difference between Nadeo and EA? Their services both do the same damn thing. Also I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I misinterpreted some certain words. Origin-exclusive sounds very much like giving the implication that it is only available through Origin. That's what exclusive means, doesn't it?[/QUOTE] Xbox, pc or ps3 exclusive doesn't mean you can only use an xbox, pc or ps3 to buy it. It means that you can only use an xbox, pc or ps3 to play it. Just as with Origin. And okay, Nadeo does off a download manager, so they do try and compete with Steam and Origin. EA might only offering their own games on Origin, but they also offer a whole lot of those games on Steam, and when Origin launched they even went as far as to remove some games from Steam in order to increase their competition with Steam.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;32664707]Does apple actually have a monopoly?[/QUOTE] They basically used to on MP3 players (iPod) and smartphones (iPhone) but now they don't. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;32664737]So Nadeo and Mojang aren't competing against Steam because they don't offer a download manager (oh and by the way, Nadeo does have a download manager), but EA is apparently competing against Steam because it has a download manager, yet they only offer their own games. What's the difference between Nadeo and EA? Their services both do the same damn thing. Also I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I misinterpreted some certain words. Origin-exclusive sounds very much like giving the implication that it is only available through Origin. That's what exclusive means, doesn't it? I don't think that it is the correct term given your implication. Oh by the way, is Shogun 2 Steam exclusive because it needs to be activated on Steam, but can be purchased from many different digital distribution services? Hell, if people get up in tears about BF3 needing to be activated on Origin to play, why don't those people get in tears about most PC games released today needing to be activated on Steam?[/QUOTE] You're oversimplifying it. EA is competing with Steam because it basically plans to do the same thing as Steam, and the reason why no one gives two shits about having to get Steam is because Steam is so commonly used that we prefer only having to install one service. Think of it this way, wouldn't buying music be a pain in the ass if most (if not all) of the songs weren't available on iTunes and you had to get a new service to download particular songs? iTunes and Steam are more like a "standard" since they make it simple and easy for the consumer to get what they want. It's a win-win scenario, Valve hosts the games for the developers on a well known platform, Valve gets money, and the consumer finds it easier.
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664801]How does that mean Nadeo is competing with Steam? Wait, does this also mean Valve is competing with Nadeo because Portal 2 is exclusive to Steam? Never mind that Trackmania 2 and Portal 2 are entirely different games, and as said they appeal to different markets.[/QUOTE] What a different game doesn't mean it's a different market two different games are still both games and therefore in the same market
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664801]How does having a download manager mean that Nadeo is competing with Steam? There is nothing the two can compete over, they both appeal to different markets. If people want Trackmania 2, they have to go to Nadeo. If they don't want to go to Nadeo, there is no where else to buy the game from. How does that mean Nadeo is competing with Steam? Wait, does this also mean Valve is competing with Nadeo because Portal 2 is exclusive to Steam? Never mind that Trackmania 2 and Portal 2 are entirely different games, and as said they appeal to different markets. Competition can only occur within the same market. I don't see Coca-Cola competing with Nvidia, do I? Anyways, same situation for Origin. How can they compete? There is no competition. People will use Steam for Valve games, and the same people will use Origin for EA games. Maybe there is some competition with certain EA games on Origin still available on other services, but that's it.[/QUOTE] They might appeal to different audiences, but they are the same market.
Fuck this argument though, I regret starting it now. Okay, I suppose there can be competition between EA and Valve over each trying to convince people to buy their own games. But both services can co-exist with each other because each one offers their own games. [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;32664857]They might appeal to different audiences, but they are the same market.[/QUOTE] Different target segments indeed. You know I'm going to stop arguing now. It may still be competition, but it's not competition over the same target segment. That probably gives away the validity of my arguments. Aren't I a silly sod.
Anyone remember how some guys at EA fed us a load of bullshit about how Steam was 'too restrictive' to put BF3 on?
I think you're missing the point. We're not talking about competition game wise, we're talking about competition platform wise. They games are only used as a technique to draw people to their platform, the competition is on a platform level. Origin and Steam are 'battling' for the most subscribers to their service, the most sales through their service. It doesn't matter what games they try to sell, just as long as they do. This might be very far stretched, but you could even argue that EA made BF3 to promote Origin, or, at least, they saw the development of BF3 as the perfect way to promote the use or Origin.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32664934]I think you're missing the point. We're not talking about competition game wise, we're talking about competition platform wise. They games are only used as a technique to draw people to their platform, the competition is on a platform level. Origin and Steam are 'battling' for the most subscribers to their service, the most sales through their service. It doesn't matter what games they try to sell, just as long as they do. This might be very far stretched, but you could even argue that EA made BF3 to promote Origin, or, at least, they saw the development of BF3 as the perfect way to promote the use or Origin.[/QUOTE] This is where I realised my error.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664943]This is where I realised my error.[/QUOTE] This is where I congratulate you for knowing when you've lost and backing down peacefully, instead of doing a typical internet "whatever i'm right you guys are gay" move.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;32664917]Anyone remember how some guys at EA fed us a load of bullshit about how Steam was 'too restrictive' to put BF3 on?[/QUOTE]It's not restrictive, it's that most developers are lazy and throw their game onto Steam and forget about it Hell, they could even do what several other games do and put it on Steam but force you to have an Origin account to play it. (the same way I needed a GFWL account to play Bioshock 2 or a Rockstar account to play GTAIV despite having bought them on Steam) [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;32664934]This might be very far stretched, but you could even argue that EA made BF3 to promote Origin, or, at least, they saw the development of BF3 as the perfect way to promote the use or Origin.[/QUOTE]Wait, I thought this was [b]exactly[/b] what they were doing.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664943]This is where I realised my error.[/QUOTE] I applaud you, sir.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32664943]This is where I realised my error.[/QUOTE] I find this very mature and can only say that I am glad to see someone who can have a proper debate.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;32663960]How about you read the fucking article before you post? [B]EA doesn't want to compete with Steam[/B], they are saying that they are attempting to bring the best user experience possible for those who buy EA games. If they wanted to compete with Steam, they'd sell games which they don't publish. I swear this blind hate against Origin is getting worse by the day.[/QUOTE] The hate is justified, any time that EA or Activision has said they want it to be helpful to the customers they end up backstabbing and shitting all over them with released-at-the-last-moment changes.
[QUOTE=Neolithic v2;32661500]Facepunch apperantly supports monopoly [editline]7th October 2011[/editline] yet hates apple[/QUOTE] Are you dense? Steam is [i]far[/i] from a monopoly.
I would be fine with origin if i had the fucking choice to buy BF3 from elsewhere, because the only advantage that shit has over steam are the fast servers.
I've been pro-Origin since they announced it because the lack of competition drove Steam's prices up to ridiculous levels (much more expensive than retail!), but after they blocked me from the BF3 beta because of some law in Germany they lost my support. Especially since I'M NOT GERMAN! The last group that thought Austria was part of Germany were the Nazis!
[QUOTE=Robber;32665192]I've been pro-Origin since they announced it because the lack of competition drove Steam's prices up to ridiculous levels (much more expensive than retail!), but after they blocked me from the BF3 beta because of some law in Germany they lost my support. Especially since I'M NOT GERMAN! The last group that thought Austria was part of Germany were the Nazis![/QUOTE] Lack of competition ? you can find lower prices pretty much everywhere, if it's too expensive on steam then i usually get it from GMG and GOG for old games, that's not the case with origin however, BF3 only sells in a few places and origin has the lower price and the best pre-order bonus. Even if you buy from somewhere else, you're forced to use the client, I'm not a fan of that, even with steam, but at least steam has a pretty good service. Also steam doesn't set the prices, that's up to the publisher.
The only reason people hate Origin is because they've been using steam for all those years and they are so goddamn hellbent on thinking that change = bad. If the situation was the other way around, with Origin having been around for a long time and used for many games and then suddenly valve would introduce steam, everyone would say steam is a piece of shit. And you have to look at this from a business point of view, by making their own digital distribution service, EA are saving probably millions of dollars and are saving a shitload of time, since they don't have to deal with some other company to get their games distributed properly. Sure, Origin has problems right now, but steam had even more problems when it first came out.
I would love to see what Origin does when Steam has its Christmas and Summer sales. So many games on Steam that will be around 2.50, while I can't really imagine any EA game going on Origin for that price.
Fuck Origin. Lost my preorder for The Old Republic and Battlefield 3. I can't stand booting through the barren, buggy Origin just to load up Firefox to *try* and join a server in BF3. Origin isn't needed. It's so unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Frek;32660441]The difference between Steam and Origin for me is that I [i]have[/i] to use Origin. I want to use Steam, and I do so for the majority of my non-steam and steam-based games.[/QUOTE] Umm All Valve games Rage Brink Skyrim SR3 DX: HR Various indie titles Mount and Blade New Vegas Hard Reset Homefront Mafia II These are just games off the top of my head that [b]need[/b] steam to be able to play on the PC. There are a fair few more. And for the more resource intensive ones, I want the choice to not have to activate the game on steam, just as I want the choice to not have to activate games on Origin.
[QUOTE=markfu;32665378]Umm All Valve games Rage Brink Skyrim SR3 DX: HR Various indie titles Mount and Blade New Vegas Hard Reset Homefront Mafia II These are just games off the top of my head that [b]need[/b] steam to be able to play on the PC. There are a fair few more. And for the more resource intensive ones, I want the choice to not have to activate the game on steam, just as I want the choice to not have to activate games on Origin.[/QUOTE] To be honest I widely prefer steam as a drm rather than a publisher-depending shitty ass DRM because at least you can play without internet connection (offline mode works very well for me).
[QUOTE=werewolf0020;32659733]The best experience? if by best experience they mean Connection Issues,Games not appearing on the list Origin servers crashing then it is! the best service![/QUOTE] In my case, I canceled my BF3 order and it's still in my library as a full game. So I guess I win.
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