• New 'Beauty and the Beast' to feature Disney's first 'exclusively gay moment' in film
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[QUOTE=archangel125;51896690]I think that more representation is how you GET it to be commonplace. You do it enough that a character in a film being gay doesn't make national or international news. Seriously, who cares?[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, that's exactly what I'm implying. I know in order for gay people to be commonplace in media, you need to actually put gay people in media, and that change is going to cause backlash and interest. I was just expressing that it would be nice when we wouldn't need to see headlines like this. Because, seriously, who cares?
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;51896761]Don't get me wrong, that's exactly what I'm implying. I know in order for gays to be commonplace in media, you need to actually put gays in media, and that change is going to cause backlash and interest. I was just expressing that it would be nice when we wouldn't need to see headlines like this. Because, seriously, who cares?[/QUOTE] I don't but I also find it weird that gay characters get headlined. Totally with you that it feels like pandering, even if it is in good spirits 99% of the time. Odds are this is wrong of me, but I'm curious how much of the modern gay characters are gay because the designer wanted them to be gay, or because of PR reasons.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51896650]The gay agenda strikes again[/QUOTE] Those bastards are trying to brainwash our children with their un-American values yet again!
There's nothing wrong with putting a gay interest in the movie, but the way they force it and publicise how progressive they are is arrogant and pretty annoying. It should just be in there left up to the viewers interpretation, because doing this detracts from the story and what it's all actually about.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51896900]There's nothing wrong with putting a gay interest in the movie, but the way they force it and publicise how progressive they are is arrogant and pretty annoying. It should just be in there left up to the viewers interpretation, because doing this detracts from the story and what it's all actually about.[/QUOTE] I don't think that filmmakers should tell anyone about stuff like this. Let parents take their kids to see the movie, and let the outrage by ass-backwards soccer moms and bigoted degenerates make the news instead. Much better.
Remember that The Simpsons had a very similar relationship situation and that was back in the early nineties. They didn't have to go out and say it but everyone who was an adult knew what was going on.
Eh, I honestly think this sounds like a pretty interesting twist on the character tbh. I was going to see the film at some point anyway because my gf is hyped as fuck for it, gives me something to look out for.
tell me the end of the movie will be LeFou showing him that he doesn't have to love women and Gaston goes full gay in a hardcore scene
[QUOTE=archangel125;51896914]I don't think that filmmakers should tell anyone about stuff like this. Let parents take their kids to see the movie, and let the outrage by ass-backwards soccer moms and bigoted degenerates make the news instead. Much better.[/QUOTE] I think this is the best way to do it, the implied homosexual shopkeeper in frozen always stuck out to me because of how underplayed it was, yet it still stirred a lot of discussion. The first I heard of [I]that[/I] in the media was headlines about people being outraged about it, which is much more effective to the cause than headlines about a minor cameo character maybe being gay.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51896948]tell me the end of the movie will be LeFou showing him that he doesn't have to love women and Gaston goes full gay in a hardcore scene[/QUOTE] It ends with a scene similar to what happened with Sausage Party. LeFou balls and all.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51896468]Let's be real here: Are we really trying to impress the people who only want to have sex in the missionary position through a hole in the sheet in pitch darkness? Because that's how I imagine people against gay marriage.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archangel125;51896524]The point is, why should anyone care about what other people do in the privacy of their own homes, or who they date?[/QUOTE] The thing is, even homosexuals and transexuals mis-characterize bisexuals. This is far more than that. I couldn't care less what Religiously locked down anti-sex deviants think. In fact, I mis-characterized Bi's myself not to long ago, in a big bad fucking way, and I was wrong for it.
damnit i wanted the candlesrick and clock guy to do a thing
[QUOTE=J!NX;51897048]The thing is, even homosexuals and transexuals mis-characterize bisexuals. This is far more than that. I couldn't care less what Religiously locked down anti-sex deviants think. In fact, I mis-characterized Bi's myself not to long ago, in a big bad fucking way, and I was wrong for it.[/QUOTE] This is news to me. How did you mischaracterize bisexual people? Maybe I've been guilty of the same.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51896900]There's nothing wrong with putting a gay interest in the movie, but the way they force it and publicise how progressive they are is arrogant and pretty annoying. It should just be in there left up to the viewers interpretation, because doing this detracts from the story and what it's all actually about.[/QUOTE] Responses like: [QUOTE=StonedPenguin;51896335]Gotta pander to those who love political correctness.[/QUOTE] Are [I]exactly[/I] why there's a need to proclaim that its a thing. LGBT individuals are dying to be represented, feeling irrelevant in a world built for heterosexual, cisgendered people. We want to hear that there's going to be some kind of representation in a film, not just quietly slipped in concept. We don't want gay undertones, we want explicit homosexual references, just like how heterosexual references are so blatant and commonplace. LGBT representation is so scarce and sought after, that it [I]is[/I] new-worthy. [I]Especially[/I] now, with people being braver with their homophobia/transphobia. Push forward, announce it from the rooftops: there exist people who aren't straight, they're real, and they need to be represented. [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51897168]This is news to me. How did you mischaracterize bisexual people? Maybe I've been guilty of the same.[/QUOTE] Sexually promiscuity is a common one. They like men and women, so obviously they just wanna bang all the time.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897168]This is news to me. How did you mischaracterize bisexual people? Maybe I've been guilty of the same.[/QUOTE] I think it's the general assumption that they're not bisexual unless they've been with both genders in the past? Or that they're any less bisexual if they're dating someone of the opposite sex at the time. That's my assumption anyway. I hear that frequently, even by members of the LGBT community who think bi is "just an excuse to sleep around" or something similar.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897168]This is news to me. How did you mischaracterize bisexual people? Maybe I've been guilty of the same.[/QUOTE] its a matter of them wishing they were one thing, rather than both. A lot of people get the idea that they are "confused" or "Sexual deviants" because they "chose to pick both" when in reality its out of their control and usually they aren't comfortable with it and it frustrates them. PERSONALLY I thought that it would be a blessing, because it'd let me pick whoever I want, but its not that simple. Gaston being openly bisexual or even closeted but blatantly for example might create a sort of misunderstanding of the reality of bisexuality. I don't really feel like he'd be the right pick for "THE" first whateversexual disney character. He seems to be somewhat of a deviant so it'd be a bit off. Hopefully this makes sense at least.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;51896928]Remember that The Simpsons had a very similar relationship situation and that was back in the early nineties. They didn't have to go out and say it but everyone who was an adult knew what was going on.[/QUOTE] [i]because there's been an episode about it at least once a month for the show's entire running[/i] it's interesting to find out they're making changes to anything in the plot to an otherwise very well known singular story, and it seems that this wasn't so much the surprise as what might change around the character. I don't blame them for thinking "you know this might be an interesting talking point to put this more on people's minds"
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;51897186] Sexually promiscuity is a common one. They like men and women, so obviously they just wanna bang all the time.[/QUOTE] Honestly? I've never seen that as a bad thing. If people enjoy that, that's their thing. Neither good nor bad, except if and when it starts to hurt them.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897294]Honestly? I've never seen that as a bad thing. If people enjoy that, that's their thing. Neither good nor bad, except if and when it starts to hurt them.[/QUOTE] It's not just enjoying and having less qualms about sex, it's basically 'well they're bi that means they're going to cheat.'
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;51897389]It's not just enjoying and having less qualms about sex, it's basically 'well they're bi that means they're going to cheat.'[/QUOTE] That's beyond retarded. Is this seriously a stereotype Bisexual people have to live with?
I'm fine with this honestly. I mean you can't really argue that making changes to Disney movies is ~altering the original material~ because the actual original material half the time is an old fairy tale story that's about twice as fucked up as the Disney version. If you can't handle gay LeFou then the old cartoon's still there. Also this gives the dudes who play Gaston at the Disney parks more material to work with.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897294]Honestly? I've never seen that as a bad thing. If people enjoy that, that's their thing. Neither good nor bad, except if and when it starts to hurt them.[/QUOTE] Bisexuality is also often associated with being unfaithful. I'm sure this has already mentioned but you catch a lot of shit from other LGBT people too. I don't feel comfortable attending things like pride events because I have a girlfriend, especially if we go together (she is also bisexual). Ive been made to feel very unwelcome when ive attended these kind of things in the past for various reasons. some people just think it's all a special snowflake attention grab because there's no ~proof~ I like dudes because i'm not currently dating one. Other times people like to say I have no right to complain about discrimination based on sexuality, because it's easier for me than it is for them, I can avoid ~the gay~ stigma with my partner when in public, blend in with hetero-normative conversations etc. Plus there's the whole "It's not even real, ive banged guys in the past but I'm a lesbian, just shut up and pick one already"
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897394]That's beyond retarded. Is this seriously a stereotype Bisexual people have to live with?[/QUOTE] Yes. Constantly. There's a LOT of negative stigma surrounding those along the bi spectrum, even in the LGBT+ community. It's stupid yeah, but there's dumb bigoted people in every group.
That's pretty fucked up. None of the gay friends I've had have ever openly expressed any bigotry with regards to bisexual people. I had no idea they got shit from the LGBT community, too.
somehow deep down I'm not very surprised that the first gay moment in Disney will involve Gastion [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51897394]That's beyond retarded. Is this seriously a stereotype Bisexual people have to live with?[/QUOTE] its not as bad as what just straight up homosexuals get but bis get hit with shit about being whores and fucking everything that moves because of being interested in both genders and at the same time get hit with a lot of "check your privilege" type responses whenever anyone complains about it because being into the opposite sex means being bi can be hidden unlike homosexuality
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897394]That's beyond retarded. Is this seriously a stereotype Bisexual people have to live with?[/QUOTE] Back when I thought I was bisexual instead of pansexual, a friend of mine balked at it when I told her and I was like "what" and she told me that meant I would cheat on people. So, yes. At the very least bisexuals/pansexuals are often stereotyped as being sexual deviants, people like to forget we exist at all, some people actually believe we're 'selfish'. Some people believe we have no standards and will fuck literally anyone. Or that we're 'loose'. And also we have to put up with shit if we end up in a 'straight' relationship. Like, if I'm a girl, and I'm bisexual, some people would actually complain to my face if I date a guy, and seem to believe that since we're attracted to the same sex, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ATTRACTED TO BOTH, that still means we [I]have[/I] to end up in a gay relationship. Or else it's "boring" or something. Bi and Pans people have to put up with a lot of shit too, and a lot of people just completely ignore us and think we don't.
Plus we get used as "proof" sexuality is a choice. "well last week u were gay, now u are dating a girl?, u swapped it's a choice!"
I mean, I think we all knew Lefou was a little gay
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51897460]Plus we get used as "proof" sexuality is a choice. "well last week u were gay, now u are dating a girl?, u swapped it's a choice!"[/QUOTE] When I came out to my stepdad when I was younger he claimed that bisexuality didn't exist, and that it was just that gay people "go back to being straight sometimes" for a little while or some such shit
[QUOTE=archangel125;51897394]That's beyond retarded. Is this seriously a stereotype Bisexual people have to live with?[/QUOTE] Yes. Say a woman starts dating a man, who expresses bisexual desires. That women will then fear her partner's sexual desires involving men, thinking "I can't fulfill those; I'm unsatisfactory; he might cheat on me to."
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