• Abortions of female foetuses to have males instead is being practised in ethnic communities in Brita
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I'll never understand people who argue that there's nothing wrong with abortion and that it should be between a woman and her doctor... and at the same time say that choosing the sex by abortion is wrong. Who are you to tell a woman what to do with her own body? (I think this line of reasoning is absolute bullshit, but hey, it's the argument that's often made) Either it's not her body and abortion in general is wrong (at whatever specific week you want to draw the line). OR It's her body and your opinion means shit.
If you're that bothered about the gender of a child, get a fucking dog instead for fucks sake.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43546886]I'll never understand people who argue that there's nothing wrong with abortion and that it should be between a woman and her doctor... and at the same time say that choosing the sex by abortion is wrong. Who are you to tell a woman what to do with her own body? (I think this line of reasoning is absolute bullshit, but hey, it's the argument that's often made) Either it's not her body and abortion in general is wrong (at whatever specific week you want to draw the line). OR It's her body and your opinion means shit.[/QUOTE] No ones opinion means anything at the end of the day, but to pretend that this is alright is bullshit.
[QUOTE=bravehat;43547212]No ones opinion means anything at the end of the day, but to pretend that this is alright is bullshit.[/QUOTE] This statement is meaningless if no one's opinions means anything. You can't have it both ways.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43546886]I'll never understand people who argue that there's nothing wrong with abortion and that it should be between a woman and her doctor... and at the same time say that choosing the sex by abortion is wrong. Who are you to tell a woman what to do with her own body? (I think this line of reasoning is absolute bullshit, but hey, it's the argument that's often made) Either it's not her body and abortion in general is wrong (at whatever specific week you want to draw the line). OR It's her body and your opinion means shit.[/QUOTE] People can't have abortions now because the sex of the baby became a factor. The double standarts on this site are disgusting sometimes. These girls would be born to horrible, retarded, misogynist parents that wouldn't love them. That is worse than any abortion
[QUOTE=wraithcat;43545418]No, this was pretty much never a case. But a few countries did pass laws that prevent doctors from telling parents the gender of their baby until it is born. India was such an example, because of the sheer impact of it.[/QUOTE] Good bribing potential right there.
[QUOTE=bravehat;43547212]No ones opinion means anything at the end of the day, but to pretend that this is alright is bullshit.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that opinions are meaningless and then giving an opinion? Point is it's a woman's right to do what she wants with her body. If that means having an abortion because she doesn't want a girl, then she should be allowed to have one. Just because you don't think it's right doesn't mean it should be illegal.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43547318]This statement is meaningless if no one's opinions means anything. You can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE] Yeah you can, I can put my opinion out there despite it carrying literally no weight, that's the point, you CAN have it both ways because it's not black and white, the very fact it's being debated is testament to that. [editline]15th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43547446]So you're saying that opinions are meaningless and then giving an opinion? Point is it's a woman's right to do what she wants with her body. If that means having an abortion because she doesn't want a girl, then she should be allowed to have one. Just because you don't think it's right doesn't mean it should be illegal.[/QUOTE] Can you point out where I said it should be illegal?
[QUOTE=bravehat;43547459] Can you point out where I said it should be illegal?[/QUOTE] You didn't? I was just making an assumption based on your disgust towards the idea of gender-based abortions throughout the thread.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43547505]You didn't? I was just making an assumption based on your disgust towards the idea of gender-based abortions throughout the thread.[/QUOTE] Try not to jump the conclusion that everyone is an asshat based on a few sentences on the internet then? And I am pretty disgusted by it, I mean seriously I get that it's the mothers final say what happens but really? For the lack of a cock, are we seriously just gonna say "BUT SHE'S THE MOTHER OMG!" when she's willing to be such a colossal cunt?
[QUOTE=bravehat;43547592]Try not to jump the conclusion that everyone is an asshat based on a few sentences on the internet then? And I am pretty disgusted by it, I mean seriously I get that it's the mothers final say what happens but really? For the lack of a cock, [B]are we seriously just gonna say "BUT SHE'S THE MOTHER OMG!" when she's willing to be such a colossal cunt?[/B][/QUOTE] Well yeah, unless you're suggesting we should put restrictions on abortion.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43547620]Well yeah, unless you're suggesting we should put restrictions on abortion.[/QUOTE] Ideally we'd just sorta [I]know[/I] when the kid was unwanted based on sex, but even then we can't stop it cause even then it's just a pregnancy the mother wants to terminate. Allow me to put it another way,while yeah she has every right to just terminate the pregnancy it's different in my opinion because it's not like she can't look after the kid and wants to wait until she has a better job/house/whatever, it's literally just down to the fact the kid is a girl and that doesn't sit right with me on any level. The abortion is fine, the reasoning is less so.
[QUOTE=Secrios;43545377]I know this might seem a little hands off; but we should really mind our own business. The moment we start inquiring people motives and thoughts, is the moment we can't live honestly anymore. If they start forcing us to do what they do, then we can start complaining.[/QUOTE] It's kind of a huge issue when a part of your population starts fucking around with the male-to-female ratio. And not only on an ideological standpoint : if you cull one or the other gender into a minority then you are going to directly put at risk the local birth rates. There's already not enough births as it is, there is really no place for minorities to start culling female foetuses and make the situation even worse. I mean it certainly wouldn't be enough to reach a Children of Men type scenario but it would still be a pretty tough issue.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43547426]People can't have abortions now because the sex of the baby became a factor. The double standarts on this site are disgusting sometimes. These girls would be born to horrible, retarded, misogynist parents that wouldn't love them. That is worse than any abortion[/QUOTE] This issue could very easily effect more than just the parents.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43547801]It's kind of a huge issue when a part of your population starts fucking around with the male-to-female ratio. And not only on an ideological standpoint : if you cull one or the other gender into a minority then you are going to directly put at risk the local birth rates. There's already not enough births as it is, there is really no place for minorities to start culling female foetuses and make the situation even worse. I mean it certainly wouldn't be enough to reach a Children of Men type scenario but it would still be a pretty tough issue.[/QUOTE] I really doubt this will be a tough issue. The whole article is sensationalist tabloid bullshit.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43548095]I really doubt this will be a tough issue. The whole article is sensationalist tabloid bullshit.[/QUOTE] It's the independent not the dailymail, the independent is reliable.
[QUOTE=Vasili;43545405]I might just add (it says in the article) that its being largely done illegally. You are not allowed to abort a child because you do not like the gender.[/QUOTE] Oh what how ridiculous, you should be able to get an abortion for any reason because it's your body!!! ^ What happened to the people defending this argument?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43548122]Oh what how ridiculous, you should be able to get an abortion for any reason because it's your body!!! ^ What happened to the people defending this argument?[/QUOTE] The abortion debate isn't all black and white The issue with this is this goes beyond your right to your body and can lead to you utterly messing up the gender ratios. These people are going to have a child regardless so it's not like people who can't look after a child [editline]15th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Shreddinger;43545771]You can't possibly mean that everything is optimized and balanced, because it's clearly not the case. Also I'm always high when I browse the forums so if it sounds like I'm talking about complete nonsense It's probably because of that. I don't see any harm in that still because this is just a forum and nothing will change as a result of this discussion. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("posting under the influence" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Oh god max what have you done? I thought people only got banned for that if they were drunk and talking crap, but that guy contributed to the discussion perfectly fine.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43548181]The abortion debate isn't all black and white[/QUOTE] Yeah, it is. You either have the right to your body or you don't, it's basic binary logic. I believe that a person's right to their body is more important than "gender ratios". I also believe that if two people think they don't want a female child, then no one should force them, because it will only make things worse for everyone involved
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43548396]Yeah, it is. You either have the right to your body or you don't, it's basic binary logic. I believe that a person's right to their body is more important than "gender ratios". I also believe that if two people think they don't want a female child, then no one should force them, because it will only make things worse for everyone involved[/QUOTE] I completely disagree and would say the good of everyone else comes before what an individual wants as long as it doesn't involve killing or harming anyone. There are already countries out there that have problems because of this
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43548590]I completely disagree and would say the good of everyone else comes before what an individual wants as long as it doesn't involve killing or harming anyone.[/QUOTE] Forcing a child to grow up in an unloving family counts as harming someone though
[QUOTE=Secrios;43545377]I know this might seem a little hands off; but we should really mind our own business. The moment we start inquiring people motives and thoughts, is the moment we can't live honestly anymore. If they start forcing us to do what they do, then we can start complaining.[/QUOTE] About 40 percent of the population of London is off the boat, first gen immigrants. I'm pretty sure that if they let this go on it'll be a big fucking issue.
I'm not sure why but I always thought it was much more likely to have a girl, like a 3/4 chance. Surprised the ratio is so even.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43548384]Gender ratios? Really? There are 7 billion people, we can stop worrying about that. This isnt the stone age where birthing children is needed for the race to survive, there's plenty to go around. For every parent that wants a boy, there will be those that want girls. And then theres those that don't care. The worlds population is not in danger.[/QUOTE] Ohhhhhhhhhhhhman. In China and India, they're at a skyrocket right now, but in thirty years, they're going to have a massively dropping population because of this. In Europe, Japan, places with aging populations are trying to keep the ratio because they're aware that they have a long living population and they'll die off soon. The balance needs to be maintained at some point, or it'll start to be an issue when you can't do anything about it. See china right now. There's 30,000,000 more men this generation than women. That's kind of hilariously bad to the point where you're fucked if you even ignore it for a little longer.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43548628]Forcing a child to grow up in an unloving family counts as harming someone though[/QUOTE] Thats a point I guess. I'll leave the debate on that note, the abortion debate is just too touchy and I've been burned a few times for getting involved with it
Yeah it's bad that people think like this, but the only way to adress the issue is to look at what makes couple want male babies over female and then go from there. There is no way you're gonna be able to monitor people's motives when they have an abortion and you can't take action based off on anything you find when investigating, so you might aswell not.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43548590]I completely disagree and would say the good of everyone else comes before what an individual wants as long as it doesn't involve killing or harming anyone. [B]There are already countries out there that have problems because of this[/B][/QUOTE] Except Britain is neither India or Pakistan, I very much doubt that the reproductive habits of ethnic minorities is going to result in some hideous gender imbalance. Furthermore keeping gender-selective abortion illegal is going to do diddly-shit. Instead of the abortion being performed in a safe, sterile environment it's going to be in some back-alley or dingy apartment bathroom. If you don't want the practice to continue there are ways to dissuade it, but simply making it illegal isn't one of them.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43548830]so out of 1.4 billion, it's 715,000,000 to 685,000,000. 30 million difference might be worse if it was in the US or something, not China or India. How is that hilariously bad? Hell, those people NEED a massive drop in population growth, that area is only so big. (hence the 2 children max laws) It'd be a problem if it was 1 girl/1 million boys or something crazy, but that's crazy. You're acting as if every single person in the world is going to kill all female fetuses.[/QUOTE] That's complete population, a generation is every 20 or so years.
And uhm. Where am I implying that people are going fetus crazy? I'm saying that if just after a couple dozen years, there's a 30 million difference; there's going to be major collisions down the line. Right now the ratio of female to men is 0.9. That's after 30 years of the policy. Let's watch and see.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43548779]Thats a point I guess. I'll leave the debate on that note, the abortion debate is just too touchy and I've been burned a few times for getting involved with it[/QUOTE] Its a philosophy of individualism vs collective, the modern belief of "I can do what I want as long as I do not physically harm others", without thinking about the unseen repercussions. Its a difficult subject because most people feel threatened by the idea of not having self imposed liberty over themselves via the law.
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