• Abortions of female foetuses to have males instead is being practised in ethnic communities in Brita
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[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43548916]Wouldn't there be less collisions due to the decreased female population? Sorry, couldn't resist. What do you mean by collisions?[/QUOTE] Like, between dying population and people being born. At just a ten percent change in the amount of males to females, that leads to speculation of China going into freefall population decline in a couple decades, you get what I'm saying?
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43548774]Ohhhhhhhhhhhhman. In China and India, they're at a skyrocket right now, but in thirty years, they're going to have a massively dropping population because of this. In Europe, Japan, places with aging populations are trying to keep the ratio because they're aware that they have a long living population and they'll die off soon. The balance needs to be maintained at some point, or it'll start to be an issue when you can't do anything about it. See china right now. There's 30,000,000 more men this generation than women. That's kind of hilariously bad to the point where you're fucked if you even ignore it for a little longer.[/QUOTE] I remember hearing crazy theories that China is going to use these men with nothing to lose as a mass conscript army.
[QUOTE=Tureis;43548957]I remember hearing crazy theories that China is going to use these men with nothing to lose as a mass conscript army.[/QUOTE] And do what? [editline]15th January 2014[/editline] That sounds like a crazy conspiracy or the plot to a dystopian novel more than anything.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43549028]And do what? [editline]15th January 2014[/editline] That sounds like a crazy conspiracy or the plot to a dystopian novel more than anything.[/QUOTE] Take over the world obviously
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43549028]And do what?[/QUOTE] Probably stereotypical world domination. In all seriousness I think you're just going to see a lot of Chinese men traveling abroad looking for love (and maybe a huge boost in profitability for prostitution) in the near future.
Sex selection is a worldwide problem and I was made aware of it in a recent issue of New Internationalist (for those who don't know, each issue of this magazine focuses on a particular problem or situation in the world) I didn't realise it was such a problem here in the UK as it appears to be. It's disappointing that our society is still built on patriarchy and that ethnic groups pick up on this or bring ideas from elsewhere to reinforce the view that females are inferior. The magazine issue on the problem: [URL]http://newint.org/issues/2013/10/01/[/URL] An appropriate article: [URL]http://newint.org/features/2013/10/01/girls-not-allowed-keynote/[/URL] (Prenatal sex selection is an unfolding tragedy. Vanessa Baird assesses the damage done - both personal and global.)
[QUOTE=Tureis;43549095]Probably stereotypical world domination. In all seriousness I think you're just going to see a lot of Chinese men traveling abroad looking for love (and maybe a huge boost in profitability for prostitution) in the near future.[/QUOTE] you realize that this policy was introduced in 1979, and infact has been lightened in recent years. the kinds of guys who get screwed up by this are the working poor.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43549261]you realize that this policy was introduced in 1979, and infact has been lightened in recent years. the kinds of guys who get screwed up by this are the working poor.[/QUOTE] Fully aware of when it was introduced; haven't really considered who the affected are.
[QUOTE=ironman17;43545838] The way I see it, the "soul" starts to exist once the embryo has at least two brain cells that are firing; at which point abortion would consign a "soul" to oblivion. But if it's done before the brain has a chance to start existing, like using the pill (morning after or regular contraceptive), then it's just soulless meat since there's nothing to constitute a brain. Also, being that religious institutions perceive the body as the soul's vessel, how many of them acknowledge the brain as the origin of the soul?[/QUOTE] Not to intrude on other people's beliefs or anything but there is no actual scientific proof of such a thing as a "soul".
[QUOTE=Beerminator;43549610]Not to intrude on other people's beliefs or anything but there is no actual scientific proof of such a thing as a "soul".[/QUOTE] I'm left to believe he only used soul just so he could say "consign a soul to oblivion". I'm imaging a Space Marine having a wife and taking her to the exterminatus clinic.
Someone get the feminists, I'll grab the popcorn.
folks are overreacting, the way our global economy works, having too many men and not enough women, will invariably cause the population to drop, population drops, economy gets fucked, governments around the planet will be forced to tackle the problem head-on no matter how much they dislike/don't care, money talks after all.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;43545771] Also I'm always high when I browse the forums so if it sounds like I'm talking about complete nonsense It's probably because of that. [/QUOTE] this explains a lot
[QUOTE=lazyguy;43545387]They came here, they should live by our rules.[/QUOTE] If this is how it should be, how does anyone feel just when they go to Middle-Eastern countries and dress inappropriately for the local norms? It should work both ways.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43546886]I'll never understand people who argue that there's nothing wrong with abortion and that it should be between a woman and her doctor... and at the same time say that choosing the sex by abortion is wrong. Who are you to tell a woman what to do with her own body? (I think this line of reasoning is absolute bullshit, but hey, it's the argument that's often made) Either it's not her body and abortion in general is wrong (at whatever specific week you want to draw the line). OR It's her body and your opinion means shit.[/QUOTE] I find it incredibly naive to think this is simply the woman's choice. You don't think the husband has anything to say in this home obviously looking for a male child? Get over yourself. Also, in my opinion you should have a valid reason for an abortion. "I don't have x to care for one" is a fine, very valid reason, but "I don't want a girl" is not. We should of course still do free abortions for everyone for any reason, but pretending that this isn't morally abhorrent is dumb. Abortion isn't wrong, but it's a serious matter, nonetheless.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43555846]I find it incredibly naive to think this is simply the woman's choice. You don't think the husband has anything to say in this home obviously looking for a male child? Get over yourself. Also, in my opinion you should have a valid reason for an abortion. "I don't have x to care for one" is a fine, very valid reason, but "I don't want a girl" is not. We should of course still do free abortions for everyone for any reason, but pretending that this isn't morally abhorrent is dumb. Abortion isn't wrong, but it's a serious matter, nonetheless.[/QUOTE] I agree that you should need a valid reason for abortion, but realistically it's impossible to control that - you can never know someone's true intentions and you shouldn't try either.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;43550266]folks are overreacting, the way our global economy works, having too many men and not enough women, will invariably cause the population to drop, population drops, economy gets fucked, governments around the planet will be forced to tackle the problem head-on no matter how much they dislike/don't care, money talks after all.[/QUOTE] The main issue is that at the point this gets bad enough to be noticed, it's too late to bandage it up. You can counter the strain put on healthcare systems by bringing in more immigrants (yes it's a good thing) to a degree as a short term fix, but if it becomes even more of a global issue, then immigrants aren't as easy to get. The only long term fix would be to shove in incentives to have girls, which could arguably swing it the other way and would lead to families having to have 3+ children or so to try to grow the population more to get it to a sustainable level, which is bloody expensive, especially after the taxes have inevitably risen to cover the aging population, which has swollen not only due to fewer children (proportionally more elderly to working) and better healthcare (they just live longer) I don't feel overly qualified to talk very much about the problem, but to call it very interesting is an understatement. It's a pretty murky topic, no matter how it's addressed.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;43555846]I find it incredibly naive to think this is simply the woman's choice. You don't think the husband has anything to say in this home obviously looking for a male child? Get over yourself. Also, in my opinion you should have a valid reason for an abortion. "I don't have x to care for one" is a fine, very valid reason, but "I don't want a girl" is not. We should of course still do free abortions for everyone for any reason, but pretending that this isn't morally abhorrent is dumb. Abortion isn't wrong, but it's a serious matter, nonetheless.[/QUOTE] And who determines what is a "valid" or "invalid" reason? You're suggesting we should force a woman to give birth to a kid she (and probably her family) does not want. That's kind of fucked up, dude. As I said before, there are plenty of other ways to influence a more gender-equal birth rate besides restricting someone's rights.
You can't feasibly restrict abortions to certain situations. It's either allow them or don't. I dislike the idea of couples abusing abortion because they didn't care enough to use contraceptives etc, but not as much as I hate the possibility people who genuinely need abortions not being able to get them. Ideally we'd have no abortions because we wouldn't need them but ideals are rarely practical in reality.
The conscienceless part of me says let them. They'll die out eventually.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43564772]And who determines what is a "valid" or "invalid" reason? You're suggesting we should force a woman to give birth to a kid she (and probably her family) does not want. That's kind of fucked up, dude. As I said before, there are plenty of other ways to influence a more gender-equal birth rate besides restricting someone's rights.[/QUOTE] Sorry to bump all this, but please note the [I]"We should of course still do free abortions for everyone for any reason"[/I] in my post. No one should decide whether a woman can get an abortion or not (unless of course it's a life threatening situation where the woman might not be able to even make such a decision) - I'm simply saying that it's naive to believe this is entirely the woman's choice anyway, and that I personally find this reason "invalid" in a moral sense. So no, I'm not at all suggesting what you think I'm suggesting. I suppose you might've misunderstood what I meant with "free" - it's free ([I]gratis[/I]) to get an abortion here in Denmark (dunno 'bout the US), so I'm really using the "no restriction" meaning of the word.
I have a daughter, thought we were having a boy, had a girl. happy as anything :)
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