• Alleged rapist beheaded and dumped in woods in Deer River, MN
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Wait, I'm getting a little off track. Rapist and child molestors I believe should not be allowed into society, others I understand probably were put there for something stupid.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794086]Exactly, Jail time and a life ruining record won't do shit, so what do you expect we do? Just let them Rome free so they can rape whoever they please?[/QUOTE] No. Help them.
Vigilante justice is awful, but when you have a system that lets these people go free some people just can't take it. and I can understand, rapist and child molesters are the worst type of people. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50794097]No. Help them.[/QUOTE] How? The only way I can think is a lobotomy and chemical castration.
America straight up has problems with ANYTHING related to sex. Even in fucking movies and TV shows. You can have some pretty violent and gory things, but god forbid you show a fucking nipple, cause then people are outraged. Even worse, unlucky folks who were urinating in public can get placed in the same registry as rapists and kiddy diddlers. It's insane.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794096]Wait, I'm getting a little off track. Rapist and child molestors I believe should not be allowed into society, others I understand probably were put there for something stupid.[/QUOTE] They should be treated psychiatrically, then released back into society with strict monitoring, and that monitoring should be stopped once strict assessments determine they aren't a threat. They are human beings and do not deserve to have their lives ruined over something they couldn't control.
The article makes it sound like he was beheaded over calling the girlfriend a slut rather than the rape part.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794051]The treatment of people by sex offenders makes me want to cry. If you rape someone you deserve everything coming to you, Justice they deserve above all. I don't see how someone can cry crocodile tears over fucking rapist and child molesters. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] I find it funny on here how people defend about every crime in the book cops commit, yet if anyone else does exactly what the cops do people call for their heads, legal or not.[/QUOTE] Since you don't know what alleged means here is a [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alleged"]definition[/URL]: [quote]accused of having done something wrong or illegal but not yet proven guilty[/quote] The key part is that the person was not proven guilty. It's entirely possible they had never raped anyone and now they are dead.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794103]Vigilante justice is awful, but when you have a system that lets these people go free some people just can't take it. and I can understand, rapist and child molesters are the worst type of people. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] How? The only way I can think is a lobotomy and chemical castration.[/QUOTE] I understand this might be an emotional subject for you but the things you're suggesting are horrific on just about every level.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50794112]They should be treated psychiatrically, then released back into society with strict monitoring, and that monitoring should be stopped once strict assessments determine they aren't a threat. They are human beings and do not deserve to have their lives ruined over something they couldn't control.[/QUOTE] I agree with that, and I do think that should hold a priority. However, I do think with as fucked as the system is today, we can't do something like that. If we were to reinforce the mental health budget then it might work, but you can't ass the politicians into doing it. I'd suggest cutting some from the military and law enforcement budgets, as they have more than enough to cover mental health. My main problem is not prosecuting sexual offenders in the first place, like that one asshole.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794096]Wait, I'm getting a little off track. Rapist and child molestors I believe should not be allowed into society, others I understand probably were put there for something stupid.[/QUOTE] That's an absolutely insane viewpoint to have, when it's been proven that almost all criminals have the ability to be rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=phygon;50794160]That's an absolutely insane viewpoint to have, when it's been proven that almost all criminals have the ability to be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] And even if they somehow aren't, they can still be released into society under strict monitoring to at least be able to live a god-damn normal life.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50794157]I understand this might be an emotional subject for you but the things you're suggesting are horrific on just about every level.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you can bounce back from chemical castration, and a lobotomy would be a last resort, if the person is so fucked up that nothing will work.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794168][B]I'm pretty sure you can bounce back from chemical castration[/B], and a lobotomy would be a last resort, if the person is so fucked up that nothing will work.[/QUOTE] If the hormone deficiencies don't give you osteoporosis or breasts Why the fuck would you lobotomize someone for this, do you even know how retarded that suggestion is? It would EASILY fall under the umbrella of "cruel and unusual punishment" and it wouldn't even solve anything. I never invoke godwin's law but that's[I][B] literally[/B][/I] what they did in Nazi Germany. [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50794167]And even if they somehow aren't, they can still be released into society under strict monitoring to at least be able to live a god-damn normal life.[/QUOTE] This You can't cure pedophilia but the only pedophiles who rape people are, well, rapists. I know a pedophile, and he is one weird-ass motherfucker but he'd never dream of actually touching a child sexually because he knows how wrong it is.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50794167]And even if they somehow aren't, they can still be released into society under strict monitoring to at least be able to live a god-damn normal life.[/QUOTE] If sex offenders were actually strictly monitored for activity, then I would definitely rather have that for rapist and low level child molesters.
I find it funny how most people on facepunch view crimes and "justice" for the crimes. If someone kills someone everyone jumps on the bandwagon of no death penalty and how its barbaric, but the second it involves a sexual crime even allegedly beheading seems reasonable. Not defending either crimes or what happened it's just funny how it shifts from one end of the spectrum to the other over it.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794168]I'm pretty sure you can bounce back from chemical castration, and a lobotomy would be a last resort, if the person is so fucked up that nothing will work.[/QUOTE] might as well just execute them if you are going to lobotomize them, i know i would rather be killed than put through that
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794168]I'm pretty sure you can bounce back from chemical castration, and a lobotomy would be a last resort, if the person is so fucked up that nothing will work.[/QUOTE] If you actually have that barbaric sentiment, you should move to the middle east where they chop off the hands of thieves, throw acid on the faces of women who don't wear their hijab, and stone to death those who commit adultery. Fucking beheading people has no room in america.
Alright I'll go along and say ok, rehabilitate the rapist and molesters and what not and let them back out into society, but what about the victims? What do they get out of this besides extensive psychological counseling, a deeply buried fear that will never truly leave them, and basically told to suck it up. Do they get any justice? Thats my main problem, if pedophiles want to be pedophiles fine, but when they ruin someone elses life, what do we do with the victim? [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=man with hat;50794203]If you actually have that barbaric sentiment, you should move to the middle east where they chop off the hands of thieves,throw acid on the faces of women who don't wear their hijab, and stone to death those who commit adultery. Fucking beheading people has no room in america.[/QUOTE] Nice fucking around with my words, I never said that beheading is acceptable. And we are talking about people who diddle kids before you want to accuse me of being barbaric. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] Point being, if you can't understand the emotions behind vigilantism then maybe you don't understand how impactful a molester is on their victims life.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794204]Alright I'll go along and say ok, rehabilitate the rapist and molesters and what not and let them back out into society, but what about the victims? What do they get out of this besides extensive psychological counseling, a deeply buried fear that will never truly leave them, and basically told to suck it up. Do they get any justice? Thats my main problem, if pedophiles want to be pedophiles fine, but when they ruin someone elses life, what do we do with the victim?[/QUOTE] You're equating justice with an eye for an eye, that's not going to do any good in the long run. Unfortunately as things stand the law cannot do any more than this, other than do their best to help the victim move on with their lives. Rapists and pedophiles are pieces of shit, but you can't do more than imprison them and then place them on an offender registry, which is usually punishment enough for what they did. As for what to do about the victim, psychological counselling is all you can do. It's natural to feel angry and want your rapist to be severely punished, even up to and including them being put away for life or hanged. But even a rapist should have the shield of due process.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794204]Nice fucking around with my words, I never said that beheading is acceptable. And we are talking about people who diddle kids before you want to accuse me of being barbaric.[/QUOTE] [quote]If you rape someone you deserve everything coming to you[/quote] You said he deserved to be beheaded and he had it coming to him. Those are your words. And it doesn't matter if someone fucked with kids - you don't do shit like that because it's inhumane.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;50794189]I find it funny how most people on facepunch view crimes and "justice" for the crimes. If someone kills someone everyone jumps on the bandwagon of no death penalty and how its barbaric, but the second it involves a sexual crime even allegedly beheading seems reasonable. Not defending either crimes or what happened it's just funny how it shifts from one end of the spectrum to the other over it.[/QUOTE] In fairness, peoples' opinions tend to vary across the spectrum. Most folks see rape as a pretty unforgivable crime, in some peoples' estimates as bad or worse than murdering somebody. The problem is a lot of people tend to equate retribution with justice, so you end up with odd dichotomies across the place.
[QUOTE=man with hat;50794225]You said he deserved to be beheaded and he had it coming to him. Those are your words. And it doesn't matter if someone fucked with kids - you don't do shit like that because it's inhumane.[/QUOTE] Well I mean, technically he didn't STRICTLY say that I guess [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] right?
[QUOTE=man with hat;50794225]You said he deserved to be beheaded and he had it coming to him. Those are your words. And it doesn't matter if someone fucked with kids - you don't do shit like that because it's inhumane.[/QUOTE] Perhaps I should've worded my words differently, but if you can't understand why people would jump to these conclusions so quickly then you don't grasp exactly how damaging a child molestor is to a person. I guess you can say what child molestors do is [I]inhumane[/I]. But I do think beheading is a little too much. I should've cleared that up a lot more.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50794231]Well I mean, technically he didn't STRICTLY say that I guess [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] right?[/QUOTE] He indirectly said it He also recommended methods for punishing crimes that the nazis used, and that isn't even an exaggeration He seems unhinged
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794168]I'm pretty sure you can bounce back from chemical castration, and a lobotomy would be a last resort, if the person is so fucked up that nothing will work.[/QUOTE] tbh the funny thing about methods like this as well as the death penalty is you can end up doing this to someone completely innocent of anything, who was genuinely falsely punished. that makes it really pleasant to think about really. Lobotomizing innocent people. You can't 100% be sure 100% of the time.
Nvm, I was mixing lobotomy up with electro shock treatment. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;50794241]He indirectly said it He also recommended methods for punishing crimes that the nazis used, and that isn't even an exaggeration He seems unhinged[/QUOTE] You're unhinged if you aren't angry about child molesters.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50794247]Nvm, I was mixing lobotomy up with electro shock treatment.[/QUOTE] [I]Both are completely barbaric and are from an age past[/I] Do you exist in an alternate universe where it's the 60s [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;50794247] You're unhinged if you aren't angry about child molesters.[/QUOTE] I'm angry about them but I still realize that they are human beings
[QUOTE=phygon;50794250][I]Both are completely barbaric and are from an age past[/I] Do you exist in an alternate universe where it's the 60s[/QUOTE] Well, maybe I'm a little pissed that people are sad about the rapist getting killed and seem to have no sympathy for the rapee, and that turns into me blurting out whatever first comes to mind without thinking about it. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] I'm just getting too worked up and not thinking about this clearly. Thinking this out: no, vigilante justice isn't right, the rapist should get treatment to make sure he doesn't rape again, and the victim should get all the help they need to come out of the rape clear minded. I do believe lobotomy and such to be barbaric. Anything I said before that was mind numbing anger at people and grasping at the straws. [editline]29th July 2016[/editline] I am, if you will, a man of emotions, which unfortunately clouds my judgement at some points. Looking this over again, beheading is pretty fucking sick for anyone, and I hope the man sees what he did as being barbaric.
But sympathy for the child is a given. We still don't know if he even did it and now we never will Thank you for at least admitting that you were getting too worked up
kind of weird how the alleged rapist allegedly agreed to be beaten the fuck up by the murderer and his girlfriend. sounds like that entire relationship was fucked up
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