[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41003326]The Soviet Union was anything but self-sufficient. It was forcibly subsidized by their soviet bloc vassals that they collected during WW2, and when their economy was starting to rot in the 1970s, oil kept them afloat for a few more years.[/QUOTE]
Countries occupied by the Soviet Union were part of the Soviet Union.
[editline]11th June 2013[/editline]
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Plus their industry is shit. It was inherited from the Soviet Union, and most factories had overaged capital equipment.[/QUOTE]
Do you have statistics? Its 2013.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;40995862]russia is authoritarian as hell, racism is widespread(is probably the most racist country atm in this planet, seriously if you happen to be black, don't EVER go to russia), corruption is also widespread, and pretty much the only thing keeping russia relevant is mostly its massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons and its gigantic area full of natural resources.
also russia will never have a revolution as long as they have permanent-elected putin, who despite being utterly horrible, is ridiculously smart.[/QUOTE]
I strongly disagree. Nobody would tell a thing if you are black. Just prepare to be called "negro". Yeah, it may sound simmilar to nigger. Russian people don't try to offend you, and they don't mean anything bad by it - it's just a term to call people of that skin color, like the world "black". Actually, the world "black" carries some negativity and is considered somewhat racist.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41003333]Countries occupied by the Soviet Union were part of the Soviet Union.
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Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria were not parts of the Soviet Union.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41003333]Countries occupied by the Soviet Union were part of the Soviet Union.[/quote]
They certainly hated being a part of it. Non-Russians slaved away and starved to feed the rotted hulk.
Also Poland, Hungary, etc.
[quote]Do you have statistics? Its 2013.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Russia_industrial_growth_chart_YoY.PNG[/img]
I think it's safe to say that Russian industry did badly in the decade after the USSR dissolved.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41003380]They certainly hated being a part of it. Non-Russians slaved away and starved to feed the rotted hulk.
Also Poland, Hungary, etc.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Russia_industrial_growth_chart_YoY.PNG[/img]
I think it's safe to say that Russian industry did badly in the decade after the USSR dissolved.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how industrial decline has anything to do with the level of their developed industries, the Soviet Union collapsed and there was no money until around 2000. Its been 13 years since then and Russia is statistically becoming a more competitive country and some wide scale modernization efforts have been funded. You still aren't hitting my point, they had self sufficient industry such as space, military, technology and aerospace which are now bringing in a lot of money today. Nothing else you've said has anything to do with that point and I think you're just nitpicking.
[QUOTE=laserguided;41003390]I don't see how industrial decline has anything to do with the level of their developed industries, the Soviet Union collapsed and there was no money until around 2000. Its been 13 years since then and Russia is statistically becoming a more competitive country and some wide scale modernization efforts have been funded.[/QUOTE]
But that's not because of the efforts of the USSR as you claimed earlier.
The USSR sucked off the economic resources of the countries they occupied, denied genocides, prevented these countries from leaving by cracking down on them, and when the whole edifice came tumbling down, the industry of the country imploded and didn't even start recovering for over a decade.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41003411]But that's not because of the efforts of the USSR as you claimed earlier.
The USSR sucked off the economic resources of the countries they occupied, denied genocides, prevented these countries from leaving by cracking down on them, and when the whole edifice came tumbling down, the industry of the country imploded and didn't even start recovering for over a decade.[/QUOTE]
No because that isn't what I said. I said it was well developed. Name other countries with the ability to build stealth fighter jets, long range bomber aircraft, nuclear reactors, submarines, aircraft carriers, manned space craft, global navigation satellites, develop and harvest natural resources etc without the need for a vast amount of imports. Their industry is very developed and self sufficient.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41003380]They certainly hated being a part of it. Non-Russians slaved away and starved to feed the rotted hulk.
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Yeah, like Russians weren't "slaved away and starved". If you can say one thing about USSR, it's that it treated everyone more or less equally. Equally terrible. There's no ethnically Russian family with no history of oppression and repression.
[QUOTE=gudman;41003417]Yeah, like Russians weren't "slaved away and starved". If you can say one thing about USSR, it's that it treated everyone more or less equally. Equally terrible. There's no ethnically Russian family with no history of oppression and repression.[/QUOTE]
It was basically the Tsarist regime with a new name.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41003447]It was basically the Tsarist regime with a new name.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Strongly nope.
Because there's... a world, a Universe of differences. Starting from the fact that even the most cruel and stupid Emperors (yeah, because Russian Tsar's official title was Emperor) never in fact used people (serfs, "крепостные крестьяне") as material. Unlike Soviet regime. What was GULAG? A system of slave camps. People were forced to work (building, mining etc.) without so much as food and clear water. Starved to death while "working" for the State.
A lot of things can be said about Russian Empire, but it never tried to murder people into submission. It was a Soviet know-how.
[QUOTE=Luafox;41003684]He is a massive homophobe.[/QUOTE]
Figured, I guess it's safe to say logic isn't his strong point then.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;41003824]Figured, I guess it's safe to say logic isn't his strong point then.[/QUOTE]
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lithuania strong
[QUOTE=arleitiss;41000514]Me as a Russian, I strongly support this, it's fucking stupid when some guys come in to your school and start talking about how homosexuality is okay, and what it is. If a child/person wants to be homosexual he will be, no need to "advertise" it all around. [/quote]
Always interesting to see how bigots try to rationalize blatant discrimination.
update:
[img]http://puu.sh/3dTQf.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;40996744]Authoritarian? Soviet Union v2? Yeah no. There is way more freedom right now than during SU times. For sure, it's not on the same level compared to western countries but still.
Racist? Have you ever been to Moscow? St. Petersburg? There are lots of different race people there, they don't seem to be very unhappy.
Corruption? Minor corruption is present but some people are trying to fight it at least.
Having lots of nuclear warheads doesn't keep the county running anyhow (they serve as a defense to other nuclear aggressions) these cost lots of money to maintain, you know?[/QUOTE]
i'll just leave this here
[url]http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/should-people-of-color-go-to-russia/[/url]
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40997197]russia isn't so horrible and putin isn't so smart
racism is a problem though.[/QUOTE]
russia is pretty bad, and considering putin was just a random KGB dude and managed to become prime minister essentially permanently, yeah he is smart.
And before most people go on to just blame the Russia's government, I'll post a few responces and comments on the Russian news sites. Obviously, this is to be taken with as much salt as possible as possible, since we all know the Fox News comments quite well (The Nation Is Unsure), so the possibility of a vocal minority could be the main thing, here:
[QUOTE]We need a complete ban on homosexuality and lock down on entry for homosexuals into our country, as well as complete isolation of them from the society. Homosexuality is the lowest, degraded part of the society.[/QUOTE]
IN reaction to the previous Post
[QUOTE]This is completely correct, this will support the absolute majority![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Man, this cheap political correctness shit going through Europe is worse than AIDS. Man, Slavophiles were right when they said that Russia's destiny is away from Europe.[/QUOTE]
In regards to the gay rights.
[QUOTE]First gays. Then pedohiles. Then necrophiles and zoophiles...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]And then we'll have parades for prostitutes, murderers, and others... EU probably tries to not hurt their feelings as well.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]With a policy of low birth rate we'll completely die out and be outdone by muslims and their natural families with lots of children.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Homosexuals and other lovers of toleration can cry about normalcy of homosexuality for whoever they want - insane people see their insanity as something normal as well. Every one of normal thought realizes that people come from a man and a woman, not man and a man or woman and a woman. Homosexuality is a mistake, perversion, mental sickness, as well as going against the nature's laws, which are shared by all people. EU has went too far in their campaign for tolerance, and it's great to see our country knows the sane limits.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It's very simple - the kids should get information that Lesbians and Pedophiles not normal. We don't need to beat up on them, because they became such due to life and nature. But they are not normal. And that's it. And that's all because throughout the EU, the gay lobby is trying to get to kids, so they can make themselves feel accepted and normal. It's a wild version of self anxiety, a lot like fascism. And like fascism, you can only bring it down with brute force.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I wonder where would certain TV shows go under this law. There are shows that show gays as nice and funny people. Such shows form tolerance in society (and in children) towards homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Does Russia have anything to do with LGBT? Of course - to purge it.[/QUOTE]
In regards to someone actually speaking against the law.
[QUOTE]Oh, one birdy got out and started telling everyone that they are so wrong. If you want to be a faggot, go be one, we don't care. But watch your mouth, or we can fuck you up. And you know who are fascists - you guys are shaming and killing off each other (you won't have kids after all).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Fags have no business here. On the Internet (and in Moscow) they are too damn brave, but here in Siberia we got our way with them, we can take them a few notches down, easily. No one here ever willingly says that they are gay. Damned bastards got spoiled, and there we go - they are getting aggressive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Latent homosexual is something Freud came up with. Those don't exist - so don't you smile you perverts and deviants. And what the hell, why are you suddenly jumping out into the spotlight to defend them, with your bony chest?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Hey, why do you keep making fun of zoophiliacs? You like men, I like my sheep, what's the difference? Or do you think that one thing is normal and another is wrong? I am not getting into your bed, but why are you getting to me with your normalcy?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Majority does not care if you are straight or you like getting fucked in the ass. There is no need to talk to the whole world about it. And stop trying to use the constitution to cover your ass - it was written for people, not homosexuals and nudists. It's always something, and immediately they jump to constitution. Let's just write a constitution for fags as well.[/QUOTE]
I did not include pro-LGBT comments, but 90% of all comments are as shown.
[QUOTE=commander204;40993277]Why are people rating this winner? This is pretty awful.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/A9Gbjim.jpg[/IMG]
why starpluck why
[editline]13th June 2013[/editline]
also people who say "it's protecting them" all it does is delay the inevitable and cause them to discriminate longer instead of getting used to the fact gay people are a thing
majority rules
Welp, at least Putin and other Soviet-minded moron politicians have only like 10-20 years 'till they die.
[QUOTE=TorrentR;41017657]Welp, at least Putin and other Soviet-minded moron politicians have only like 10-20 years 'till they die.[/QUOTE]
And then the next generation of perfectly-bred and pre-prepared politicians will enter their seats.
Well, fuck. Someone, invent power armor and laser rifles.
[QUOTE=J!NX;40993286][t]http://api.ning.com/files/QHzdcwao8AhG89TvJA4jH2OACror*0Ofv7pil3p7gG-SJjJQ6XDD1kanPjIqHeuhehNJIK1QAMo8ovlTZUL0TzzB1YOFI84C/GayTheologyPropaganda.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Yes, it's "cure". Too bad the cure is death.
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