Obama calls America a secular nation, conservatives outraged
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21479527]If they feel that way then they can build their own goddamn roads, fight their own goddamn oil wars, build their own goddamn power grid, fly their private jets off their own goddamn airports, and enjoy watching Microsoft buy them out in a hostile takeover and throw them out on the streets because they couldn't be arsed to pay taxes for an effective regulatory body.[/QUOTE]
What here is actually needed though?
nothing
I have no problem with tax money going to roads, and other construction projects that help build this country up... What I don't like though is the oil war, its not necessary and accomplishes nothing, we were getting more oil when Saddam was still alive
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21479565]I know this "Dj0wns" character in real life, and he's a pretty backwards kid.[/QUOTE]
adlamb!!?
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479577]What here is actually needed though?
nothing
I have no problem with tax money going to roads, and other construction projects that help build this country up... What I don't like though is the oil war, its not necessary and accomplishes nothing, we were getting more oil when Saddam was still alive
[editline]09:33PM[/editline]
adlamb!!?[/QUOTE]
what's your stance on abortion, drug legalization, and same-sex marriage?
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479577]What here is actually needed though?
nothing
I have no problem with tax money going to roads, and other construction projects that help build this country up... What I don't like though is the oil war, its not necessary and accomplishes nothing, we were getting more oil when Saddam was still alive
[editline]09:33PM[/editline]
adlamb!!?[/QUOTE]
we meet again...
abortion, first trimster only, and shouldnt be covered by any government run programs.
Drug legalization could bring in more tax dollars, but i doubt it'd bring in enough to make a difference, but what it does do, is reduce the number of people in prisons which saves 100k/year per person.
I have no problem with same sex marriage, it doesnt affect me, and i dont feel i have the right to make decisions against something that has no effect on me
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21479617]we meet again...[/QUOTE]
Oh MY GOD... I finally found you
I was thinking about you since i logged on today
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479632]abortion, first trimster only, and shouldnt be covered by any government run programs.
Drug legalization could bring in more tax dollars, but i doubt it'd bring in enough to make a difference, but what it does do, is reduce the number of people in prisons which saves 100k/year per person.
I have no problem with same sex marriage, it doesnt affect me, and i dont feel i have the right to make decisions against something that has no effect on me
[editline]09:38PM[/editline]
Oh MY GOD... I finally found you
I was thinking about you since i logged on today[/QUOTE]
You should always be thinking about me bby ;)
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21479672]You should always be thinking about me bby ;)[/QUOTE]
I actually tried to search your name today, but then i remembered garry dropped search:(
Only for temporary (unless i missed something)
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21479724]Only for temporary (unless i missed something)[/QUOTE]
To my knowledge it temp
What does secular mean?
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21479805]What does secular mean?[/QUOTE]
Main Entry: 1sec·u·lar
Pronunciation: \ˈse-kyə-lər\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French seculer, from Late Latin saecularis, from saeculum the present world, from Latin, generation, age, century, world; akin to Welsh hoedl lifetime
Date: 14th century
1 a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal <secular concerns> b : not overtly or specifically religious <secular music> c : not ecclesiastical or clerical <secular courts> <secular landowners>
2 : not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation <a secular priest>
3 a : occurring once in an age or a century b : existing or continuing through ages or centuries c : of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration <secular inflation>
— sec·u·lar·i·ty \ˌse-kyə-ˈla-rə-tē\ noun
— sec·u·lar·ly \ˈse-kyə-lər-lē\ adverb
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;21478941]Its irrelevant because regardless how your country may be up on top, you're still Americas bitch with cops on horses.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479174]I'm a republican, but i swear to god, the repubs search for the dumbest people, i mean you cant go out into a crowd and find this many dumbasses[/QUOTE]
yes you can, it's called the Republican party.
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[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479320]so is global warming, but you don't complain about that.
btw, trickle down econ doesnt work because the people that have the money are smart and invest, whereas the poorer people just go out and buy flat screens and useless shit[/QUOTE]
don't mind me, i'm melting icecaps, carbon charts and the ozone layer... whoops, losing some stuff.
denying climate change is like denying the world is round.
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[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479423]but they also work their way up there and deserve to use their money as they see fit, not to have it all taken away and given to the lazy potheads[/QUOTE]
oh no, less then 1% of the population is getting money they don't deserve, nooo
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oh no, less then 1% of the population is getting money [b]they don't deserve[/b], nooo[/QUOTE]
care to explain?
Baww terminology
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21479805]What does secular mean?[/QUOTE]
How can you have a political-ish avatar and not know what secularism is?
Wait nevermind.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21479975]How can you have a political-ish avatar and not know what secularism is?[/QUOTE]
because religion is banned in communism, so he doesnt have any reason to know what secular means
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479989]because religion is banned in communism, so he doesnt have any reason to know what secular means[/QUOTE]
No it isn't what are you talking about?
Communism is just free of religious influence, it doesn't it's anti-religion.
Banning religion outright isn't practical.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21479997]No it isn't what are you talking about?
Communism is just free of religious influence, it doesn't it's anti-religion.[/QUOTE]
depends on the form, in the marx and lenin version, the society is entirely atheist
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21480024]depends on the form, in the marxist and lenin version, the society is entirely atheist[/QUOTE]
It's supposed to be, but even though Marx founded communism, doesn't mean all types of communism can't have religion.
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It's kind of hard to ban something that +50% of your country believes in.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21480030]It's supposed to be, but even though Marx founded communism, doesn't mean all types of communism can't have religion.[/QUOTE]
Thats true, you are pretty much restating what i said\
religion is no good though, 98% of people in jail follow some religion. Without religion there wouldnt be religious extremists, and the south park creators wouldnt have a death threat:D
Just because a country has a high population and many traditions based in a religion, does not mean the government is the same religion.
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21480043]Thats true, you are pretty much restating what i said[/QUOTE]
I am agreeing with you then.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;21479477]There are US citizens, a lot of them, who think the US IS a Christian nation. The money says "In God We Trust", the schools mention God in the Pledge of Allegiance, and Christmas is THE holiday, need I say more?
So, even though he didn't use the word secular, to deny for everyone that fact is going to offend and anger huge chunks of the population.
For that he has my appreciation, the more pissed off those people get the happier I am.[/QUOTE]
The (American Western) culture is Christian, but the nation itself should not be. I want to be able to share my nation's freedom with anyone, regardless of what they believe.
enough debating, ima go to bed...
if this thread was a stock, i believe i would have majority ownership of the tread:D
17 posts:/, i doubt anyone has more
I wonder if these kinds of people were the same ones who struck off Thomas Jefferson from the list of enlightened thinkers in Texas because of his stance on the separation of church and state.
That in itself should say things. While Western philosophy owes to religion it doesn't mean it is religious. The United States founding fathers were more influenced by enlightenment era thoughts.
Off topic,
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21480030]It's supposed to be, but even though Marx founded communism, doesn't mean all types of communism can't have religion.
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Communism was around before Marx came around. What Marx did, in his words, is provide a way to reach communism and make it a reality. Marx created "Marxism" consequently, the route to communism through (scientific) socialism.
A lot of the crude forms of communism were originally religious in nature. "Utopia", by Sir Thomas More, is a good example of this.
Marxist view towards religion was mainly that of religion arising out of class differences.
[quote]The actual basis of the religious reflective activity therefore continues to exist, and with it the religious reflection itself... It is still true that man proposes and God (that is, the alien domination of the capitalist mode of production) disposes. Mere knowledge, even if it went much further and deeper than that of bourgeois economic science, is not enough to bring social forces under the domination of society. What is above all necessary for this, is a social act. And when this act has been accomplished, when society, by taking possession of all means of production and using them on a planned basis, has freed itself and all its members from the bondage in which they are now held by these means of production which they themselves have produced but which confront them as an irresistible alien force, when therefore man no longer merely proposes, but also disposes — only then will the last alien force which is still reflected in religion vanish; and with it will also vanish the religious reflection itself, for the simple reason that then there will be nothing left to reflect.
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Simply put by giving people some amount of liberation from their economic conditions and elevate their social standing and education, they would in time shun religion as it is no longer relevant to them.
As far as I know the position of most Marxists irl in regards to religion was to prevent it from being a mass organization but were fine with it being a strictly personal matter in the mean time while they worked their magic. Of course this varied from region to region.
Ergo, this is all a vile marxist plot by the islamofascistcommunazi Obama :911:
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Wow, I'm glad British conservatives aren't this fucking DUMB. :geno:
Except England isn't a secular nation. We pay direct taxes to the head of the Anglican Church.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21480343]Except England isn't a secular nation. We pay direct taxes to the head of the Anglican Church.[/QUOTE]
pwned.
i liket jorj bush moar
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america is simply christian
[QUOTE=thisispain;21480343]Except England isn't a secular nation. We pay direct taxes to the head of the Anglican Church.[/QUOTE]
isn't the monarchy supposed to be connected to god in some way?
[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479950]care to explain?[/QUOTE]
I was really just using your definition of who you considered to be deserving.
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[QUOTE=dj0wns;21479989]because religion is banned in communism, so he doesnt have any reason to know what secular means[/QUOTE]
no it's not...
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[QUOTE=dj0wns;21480024]depends on the form, in the marx and lenin version, the society is entirely atheist[/QUOTE]
again, you're just making shit up
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