• USS Iowa Battleship to reach its final resting place, Los Angeles, as a museum
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Bad ass, I'm planning on heading up to LA with my dad once the museum opens to the public.
So what battleships will be replacing these ones retiring? I know a lot more about the Air Force's jets and whatnot, but I've never given the Navy the attention it deserves, especially after seeing those cannons fire. They've got to have something else up their sleeve to attach to huge ships. I know they have railguns, but are they actually in use right now?
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;36149123]So what battleships will be replacing these ones retiring? I know a lot more about the Air Force's jets and whatnot, but I've never given the Navy the attention it deserves, especially after seeing those cannons fire. They've got to have something else up their sleeve to attach to huge ships. I know they have railguns, but are they actually in use right now?[/QUOTE] None, battleships are nigh-obsolete. They're only really useful for fire support anymore, and only when naval superiority has been established. Even then they're not cost-effective. I highly doubt that railguns will ever face mass-deployment, the ones in development now are mostly just proof-of-concept testbeds. Nothing can really make them any more effective than current technology.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;36149123]So what battleships will be replacing these ones retiring? I know a lot more about the Air Force's jets and whatnot, but I've never given the Navy the attention it deserves, especially after seeing those cannons fire. They've got to have something else up their sleeve to attach to huge ships. I know they have railguns, but are they actually in use right now?[/QUOTE] Well Battleships haven't been used for a long while for there intended purpose, they're technically replaced by Aircraft carriers as the mother ship of a naval battle group. Although up until 1992, when the last Battleship was retired nothing could rival the immense power of their conventional cannons. Apparently the USS Missouri was used extensively to shell the crap out of Iraqi bunkers during operation desert storm, with devastating effect. But yeah, they're simply not needed any more. They're built for a very different combat style to what we see of today's oceans.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;36149123]So what battleships will be replacing these ones retiring? I know a lot more about the Air Force's jets and whatnot, but I've never given the Navy the attention it deserves, especially after seeing those cannons fire. They've got to have something else up their sleeve to attach to huge ships. I know they have railguns, but are they actually in use right now?[/QUOTE] Missile ships. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u-SrYRUAlc[/media] [quote]Tomahawk cruise missiles being launched towards Qadhafi regime forces as a part of JTF Odyssey Dawn. USS Stout (DDG-55) is a part of Task Force Odyssey Dawn, the U.S. Africa Command task force established to provide operational and tactical command and control of U.S. military forces supporting the international response to the unrest in Libya and enforcement of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. [/quote] They still have a gun, though it's a bit smaller: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXjshw_eT8[/media] [quote]The gun is designed for use against surface warships, anti-aircraft and shore bombardment to support amphibious operations[/quote]
[QUOTE=Flyboi;36149318]Apparently the USS Missouri was used extensively to shell the crap out of Iraqi bunkers during operation desert storm, with devastating effect.[/QUOTE] It was indeed. They also used Tomahawks against the Iraqis, but I don't have any of those photos saved ATM.:v: Here's when she was shelling their trench defenses in Kuwait: [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/jha5ww.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/23wp95i.jpg[/IMG] Both the USS [i]Missouri[/i] and [i]Iowa[/i] are pretty awesome ships.
As far as a ship that will "replace" battleships, there's this. Though it's not designated as a "battleship" it fills the modern roll of what one would do. [img]http://i.imgur.com/VSJNH.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/JHyuX.jpg[/img] [quote]The Zumwalt (DDG-1000) is a planned class of United States Navy destroyers, designed as multi-mission ships with a focus on land attack. The class is a scaled-back project that emerged after funding cuts to the larger DD-21 vessel program. The program was previously known as the "DD(X)". The class is multi-role and designed for surface warfare, anti-aircraft, and naval fire support. They take the place of battleships in filling the former congressional mandate for naval fire support,[6] though the requirement was reduced to allow them to fill this role[/quote] The first one will be finished in April of 2013. But then there's also the new Littoral Combat Ships that have already been built: [img]http://i.imgur.com/QNG0q.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/JLeSR.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;36148129]Wasn't the Iowa the settings of that really really REALLY terrible B-movie American Warships? It was the B Movie knock off of Battleship. Basically the Iowa was the only ship able to fight the aliens because it had been restored to WW2 condition so the alien EMP weapons wouldn't effect it. Kinda like how in Metal Gear Solid 4 they used the Missouri because it hadn't been integrated with nano tech. ... What were we talking about?[/QUOTE] Battleship also used the Missouri because it was the only ship not destroyed by the Aliens/ because they really needed a battleship in the movie to justify the title.
[QUOTE=oakman26;36150417]Im pretty sure it's to get the breeches into position for the rammer[/QUOTE] Yep. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ATYPrZnSQ[/media]
Those 16 inchers are awesome. They move the ship, a couple [I]thousand[/I] ton ship, 5 feet.
The USS North Carolina got this treatment too :)
It's good to see her finally being taken care of. The Iowa was moored in the San Francisco bay for a few years next to some other old rusty ships. It was really sad going by there to see the Iowa left there and ignored all this time, I'm glad its in LA now.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;36145965]I wanted to watch it port, but I missed it. I'll check out the museum after it opens.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm misinterpreting this but it's not going to get towed into final position until the 9th. It's currently anchored a few miles off the coast getting its hull cleaned. I'm in central OC so I can't wait to go see this when it opens. I went to the Missouri last June and it was pretty cool. [url]http://pacificbattleship.com/page/track[/url]
I'm glad they didn't scrap it like the original Enterprise.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;36146118]Missiles like the Tomahawk do it's job nowadays, and railguns will do the same job cheaper in the near future.[/QUOTE] Well seeing as how the point-defence technology advances (and how the newest systems can intercept rockets and mortar shells), we may come across a point when these kind of battleships have to be brought back into service.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;36149176]I highly doubt that railguns will ever face mass-deployment, the ones in development now are mostly just proof-of-concept testbeds. Nothing can really make them any more effective than current technology.[/QUOTE]They have cheap ammunition, decently accurate and extremely long-ranged while still packing a punch; essentially a cheaper way to provide the firepower of a missile for targets in range, and less likely to be intercepted. There's already nuclear reactors for ships so power wouldn't be a problem, only real obstacle they have to overcome is barrel wear. [QUOTE=smeismastger;36156540]Well seeing as how the point-defence technology advances (and how the newest systems can intercept rockets and mortar shells), we may come across a point when these kind of battleships have to be brought back into service.[/QUOTE]Thing is, they weren't particularly useful even when they were designed; dreadfully expensive and great big fat targets. Smaller ships nowadays can provide equal firepower with missiles.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;36148129]Wasn't the Iowa the settings of that[B] really really REALLY terrible[/B] B-movie American Warships? It was the B Movie knock off of Battleship. Basically the Iowa was the only ship able to fight the aliens because it had been restored to WW2 condition so the alien EMP weapons wouldn't effect it. Kinda like how in Metal Gear Solid 4 they used the Missouri because it hadn't been integrated with nano tech. ... What were we talking about?[/QUOTE] Hey, what the hell? I enjoyed American Battleship quite a lot more than the movie it was "based" on.
[QUOTE=OvB;36149600]As far as a ship that will "replace" battleships, there's this. Though it's not designated as a "battleship" it fills the modern roll of what one would do. [img]http://i.imgur.com/VSJNH.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/JHyuX.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] Here's a video on the gun from this ship. It'll have over the horizon abilities. (around 100 mile range). It's also steath. This ship is basically the modern battleship. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5LYPMRMVUs[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM3L0w816kE&feature=related[/media] At only 7 billion dollars a pop!
How does something so top heavy manage to float without capsizing?
[QUOTE=Polyethylene;36162237]How does something so top heavy manage to float without capsizing?[/QUOTE] top heavy what you dont think the ship is flat bottomed do you? most of the weight is below the waterline, and on top of that they're fairly wide.
[QUOTE=Polyethylene;36162237]How does something so top heavy manage to float without capsizing?[/QUOTE] Hulls are usually designed to keep things upright with the use of weighted keels and such. Battleships are pretty wide too. Back in the day when they used huge sailing ships to wage war, they'd stuff the bottom of it with rocks and barrels to keep it upright. [img]http://i.imgur.com/HKM5P.jpg[/img] That's why modern sailboats usually have massive ballast/keel/center boards. And neither of those are as top heavy as some of the stuff they engineer today. [img]http://i.imgur.com/xf0BD.jpg[/img] It just comes down to hull shape engineering and physics.
47 people died on the Iowa in 89, when one of the guns exploded during firing, if anyone didn't know
[QUOTE=OvB;36149438]They still have a gun, though it's a bit smaller: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXjshw_eT8[/media][/QUOTE] Watching those shell casings coming out reminds me that even "small" ship guns are still extremely badass.
[QUOTE=OvB;36162471]Hulls are usually designed to keep things upright with the use of weighted keels and such. Battleships are pretty wide too. Back in the day when they used huge sailing ships to wage war, they'd stuff the bottom of it with rocks and barrels to keep it upright. [img]http://i.imgur.com/HKM5P.jpg[/img] That's why modern sailboats usually have massive ballast/keel/center boards. And neither of those are as top heavy as some of the stuff they engineer today. [img]http://i.imgur.com/xf0BD.jpg[/img] It just comes down to hull shape engineering and physics.[/QUOTE] all of your posts are awesome and informative battleships are awesome, i'm almost a bit saddened they're being replaced by the missile ships, they just don't have the same menacing look
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