• California Prop 19 Favored So Far
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;23703328]I don't know what you said but I'm sure it was really dumb.[/QUOTE] He said cocaine is better then weed.
BRB, moving out of this shitty smog filled state.
I find this amusing, The people in favour have constructive, well thought out and constructive feedback based on experience the people against however "DONT SMOKE IT ULL GET ONTO BIGGUR DRUGZ AND LIEK BECOME SATANZ" merely an observation.
This isn't the best way to go about it but fuck it, at least it demonstrates that legalization is now a serious issue The states needs to hurry the FUCK up with it though because Canada, because we're a bunch of flapping-headed pussies, won't legalize it until the US does. I think (personal opinion based on what I know of weed as a medicine) one of the major reasons that it remains illegal is that it's a very easily-grown, cheap wonderdrug. Anyone that has ever got stoned when they were ill can attest to its potent healing properties. If it was legal it would remove the need for many symptom-specific medications that make the drug companies money
I really don't understand how a state could pass prop 9 then go on to pass this.
[QUOTE=Elcor;23700727]I'm opposed to this law, I wouldn't support it. I could care less what people do to themselves, its their choice and I have no part in it. I just worry about people under the influence getting into cars and killing people because they're driving impaired. :frown: Irregardless, I'm interested to see how this turns out. I think the US will go on another hippie period if this passes nationwide. Huge revenue though, safer because its regulated. Still worried about the risks of driving and weed. AFAIK weed impairs driving and judgment, please tell me of any mistakes.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, i forgot how people only drive under the influence of legal drugs.
This gets me pumped. Price of weed is supposed to drop 80%. Not to mention the fact that better strains of weed will now be more widely available.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;23704323] I think (personal opinion based on what I know of weed as a medicine) one of the major reasons that it remains illegal is that it's a very easily-grown, cheap wonderdrug. Anyone that has ever got stoned when they were ill can attest to its potent healing properties. If it was legal it would remove the need for many symptom-specific medications that make the drug companies money[/QUOTE] Anecdotal stories don't count at all as evidence of efficacy.
[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;23701728]I kept on telling people that prop 19 would get massive support from the same black people and mexicans that made 8 pass.[/QUOTE] I gotta say its a surprise they felt so strongly against gay marriage and came out to vote in droves against it. How do they feel about this though? Cause like the article said, their populations have been the main focus of huge anti-drug campaigns in the past. It'd be interesting to see if they throw around their voting power that way, or the either for that matter.
Hopefully this can only be the start of a great realisation that pot isn't all that bad, and not garner any invasions on the part of angry soccer moms and "displeased" drug lords. Good on ya California, just brace yourself for any potential ramifications.
[QUOTE=Elcor;23700896]Tell me how so its less impairing. Im open to everyone's input, just want to understand how this all works. Again, my concern is that it adds another danger to the irresponsible people. If people do it responsibly thats great for them, I have no problems.[/QUOTE] Why don't you smoke some weed and see if you can get off your lazy ass and actually drive somewhere. Besides, weed does not impair cognitive function function, etc. the same way alcohol does. You can't get fall-down drunk on weed.
I've only smoked it a few times when I was around others who were, and offered it. Whenever I have, it's been great. Only reason I don't do it regularly is because I worry about going home the next day, reeking of it and my parents noticing. I'd so much rather smoke weed than drink. Hangovers just aren't worth it. My parents are fairly liberal, but I don't actually know their stance on marijuana. Maybe if it were legalised, they'd be more likely to approve. I'm hoping that if California legalise it, then it'll spread across the States and eventually reach the UK.
[QUOTE=kevn150;23701365]Doesn't change the fact that people still drive while intoxicated. Smoking weed as of now is illegal, does that stop people from doing it?[/QUOTE] As far as I know there haven't been any DUI accidents where the person was *on weed only*.
hopefully the acceptance of this bill will get alittle....higher?
[QUOTE=Exille;23708727]hopefully the acceptance of this bill will get alittle....higher?[/QUOTE] The main opposition seems to be fundies as usual. That's the only reason federal politicians are afraid of turning it into an actual issue, because they would lose support from evangelicals.
Awesome news. Hopefully when enough countries and states have legalized it (in perhaps 10 years maybe?) I hope that Sweden will also go along with it.
It'd be nicer if it was at least 18 and over instead of 21, I supposed. Also, the people who say that marijuana is bad for you and that it will "turn you into a social reject, make your entire family ashamed of you, etc" have no idea what they are talking about. I hope they reduce the drinking age to 18 instead of 21. [editline]02:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23707526]As far as I know there haven't been any DUI accidents where the person was *on weed only*.[/QUOTE] Even then it's the person's fault. For example, Alcohol might influence you to make bad decisions, but it was YOU who was irresponsible and stupid enough to get too drunk in the first place. Also what you said. [editline]02:16PM[/editline] I hope salvia is legalized too. DUI is practically impossible with salvia due to the fact that you won't even know how to turn on the car. [editline]02:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Elcor;23700727] Irregardless, I'm interested to see how this turns out.[U] I think the US will go on another hippie period if this passes nationwide.[/U] Huge revenue though, safer because its regulated. Still worried about the risks of driving and weed. AFAIK weed impairs driving and judgment, please tell me of any mistakes.[/QUOTE] Hippy period? I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about in the slightest.
Also, a good marijuana documentary that has gotten quite popular is The Union and I recommend you seeing it if you have any doubts about the legalization: [url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#[/url]
I can see it now, Doritos doing a campaign were with every bag of Doritos also comes with a complimentary joint.
:saddowns: Too bad this is actually a step back for legalization. No one knows anything about this bill, they're just seeing "legalization" and voting yes / saying "yay" this bill will actually put more money back into the 'war on Marijuana' because this bill makes new laws against Marijuana that police (who don't give a fuck now) will have to enforce.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23705546]Anecdotal stories don't count at all as evidence of efficacy.[/QUOTE] yeah that's why I said [quote](personal opinion based on what I know of weed as a medicine)[/quote] you tool
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;23710376] Hippy period? I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about in the slightest.[/QUOTE] Since American culture has romanticized marijuana so much, id assume the first year of its legalization would be followed by tons of people lighting up. Hippie Period is an exaggeration. And to defend my other questions, I was just asking about the effects while driving/etc. You guys need to stop being pricks.
[QUOTE=Elcor;23716567] And to defend my other questions, I was just asking about the effects while driving/etc. You guys need to stop being pricks.[/QUOTE] people are pricks because we hate when people come into a thread with an opinion without even being educated on the topic or even bothering to do research into it
[QUOTE=Elcor;23716567]Since American culture has romanticized marijuana so much[/QUOTE] what? how?
[QUOTE=Elcor;23716567]Since American culture has romanticized marijuana so much[/QUOTE] That's because it's illegal.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;23713591]yeah that's why I said you tool[/QUOTE] In other words: I don't know anything about the subject, so I'm going to make factual claims that aren't supported by anything I'm saying and hide behind the non-sequitur and half-truth that what I'm saying is my "opinion."
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23717243]In other words: I don't know anything about the subject, so I'm going to make factual claims that aren't supported by anything I'm saying and hide behind the non-sequitur and half-truth that what I'm saying is my "opinion."[/QUOTE] uh what he said was pretty much true in that cannabis has incredible medical benefits and is a threat to the pharmaceutical industry.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23717403]uh what he said was pretty much true in that cannabis has incredible medical benefits and is a threat to the pharmaceutical industry.[/QUOTE] [[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources][i]citation needed[/i][/url]]
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23717433][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources"][I]citation needed[/I][/URL]][/QUOTE] which? medical benefits or the threat to the pharmacies?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23717505]which? medical benefits or the threat to the pharmacies?[/QUOTE] Both. If it has medical benefits, it's easier to make than refined medicines, why wouldn't the pharma companies just you know, set up hydro facilities? The profit margins would be massive compared to something like a normal painkiller that you have to synthesize. [editline]|[/editline] Actually, "incredible medical benefits" was the quote. I understand it has a decent list of things it helps with, but nothing surprisingly incredible.
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