• Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau responds to US Refugee Ban: "Welcome to Canada."
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I don't like the sometimes absurd feminism-craze of his, but well played Trudeau. I hope he continues to show up Trump.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51742964]"Diversity is power" I WOULD agree IF these "diverse" individuals were also COMPETENT at more than disrespecting countries they come to.[/QUOTE] Canada is a country built on immigrants and diversity. Muslims here are integrating well, but we also respect their right to celebrate their culture and religion. Don't speak for us.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51742964]"Diversity is power" I WOULD agree IF these "diverse" individuals were also COMPETENT at more than disrespecting countries they come to.[/QUOTE] Ok I guess, most of us take that as an assumption that whoever we're accepting is going to be nice and shouldn't just get extra judged on because they're brown.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51742850]Are you kidding? Have you tried the dark roast stuff Tim's been running for like a year now? Fucking delicious.[/QUOTE] Dark roast is incredible, that's all I get. Living in a border city has its perks, Tim Horton's is one of them.
I, for one, disagree with Mr. Trudeau's view's on how we should handle ourselves in this current state of affairs, we need to take some time to reevaluate what is happening in the international community before we start making firm decisions when it comes to things like that. [QUOTE=archangel125;51742989]I'm a first generation immigrant myself, and I am proud to be Canadian.[/QUOTE] I'm fifth generation and sadly, I cannot say the same these days.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51742989]Listen. I live in a neighborhood that's 40% Muslim, all right? It's mostly Muslims who are involved in community groups, who are trying to work alongside police to keep our streets safe, who are eager to host community events to bring everyone together, who are helping our catholic community build their church. They're conservative, many of them are orthodox, but they have adopted Canadian ideals, and have a great respect for Canadian culture. I served for years on a residents' association board alongside such people, and I get incredibly angry when idiots run their mouths on things they have no idea about. What proof have you that most immigrants disrespect the countries they come to, you bigoted fool? I'm a first generation immigrant myself, and I am proud to be Canadian.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;51743187]Canada is a country built on immigrants and diversity. Muslims here are integrating well, but we also respect their right to celebrate their culture and religion. Don't speak for us.[/QUOTE] I'm super glad for you guys, then. Not so much for some of the euro countries like the french. Didn't work out so well to "diversify" for them. It's an embarrassing way to lose your country, to be supplanted by large numbers of illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE=Cureless;51745197]I, for one, disagree with Mr. Trudeau's view's on how we should handle ourselves in this current state of affairs, we need to take some time to reevaluate what is happening in the international community before we start making firm decisions when it comes to things like that. I'm fifth generation and sadly, I cannot say the same these days.[/QUOTE] That's a shame, because I consider Trudeau one of the few vertebrates in government, an especially valuable species of politician to have while our southern neighbors and our cousins across the pond appear to have lost theirs. And unlike our last PM, this one doesn't have too much American shaft down his throat to say and do the right thing. Like father, like son. [editline]29th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Nitro836;51745208]I'm super glad for you guys, then. Not so much for some of the euro countries like the french. Didn't work out so well to "diversify" for them. [B] It's an embarrassing way to lose your country, to be supplanted by large numbers of illegal immigrants.[/B][/QUOTE] Funny, because last I checked, France still had a demographical breakup that was 93% ethnically French. Either the anti-immigrant lobby are spineless worms, or they lack a basic understanding of math. I think I know which of the two it is.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51745211]Funny, because last I checked, France still had a demographical breakup that was 93% ethnically French. Either the anti-immigrant lobby are spineless worms, or they lack a basic understanding of math. I think I know which of the two it is.[/QUOTE] All I ask countries to do is to have any excessively aberrant and violent behavior be unacceptable and punishable to the fullest extent of law. A pet peeve of mine is that the majority of these immigrants are men. You'd think that if they cared for their families, they'd send everybody else first. Your children, your wife. Or is this just a double standard I'm applying here, that "men are more expendable"? Or do they think that they can make it to shore and THEN find a way to help the others? [sp]I don't personally believe this, it's actually quite funny, but some theorists say they send their men first because they were told by muslim priests to spread their genes and gradually supplant the population to accept their horseshit religion.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51745245]All I ask countries to do is to have any excessively aberrant and violent behavior be unacceptable and punishable to the fullest extent of law. A pet peeve of mine is that the majority of these immigrants are men. You'd think that if they cared for their families, they'd send everybody else first. Your children, your wife. Or is this just a double standard I'm applying here, that "men are more expendable"? Or do they think that they can make it to shore and THEN find a way to help the others? [sp]I don't personally believe this, it's actually quite funny, but some theorists say they send their men first because they were told by muslim priests to spread their genes and gradually supplant the population to accept their horseshit religion.[/sp][/QUOTE] It's strange you'd share that drivel at all if you didn't believe it, isn't it? I think you do believe it. And you're trying to find people who are every bit as deluded. You'll have to check Stormfront. Our laws, just like the laws of any European country, are clear. If refugees who commit crimes cannot be deported for humanitarian reasons, they are punished in accordance with the Criminal Code of Canada. As I once aspired to become a police officer and have formally studied law, I am very familiar with this. I challenge you to find any case where a refugee in Europe was not punished in accordance with a country's criminal code or case law, If convicted of a crime.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51745245]All I ask countries to do is to have any excessively aberrant and violent behavior be unacceptable and punishable to the fullest extent of law. A pet peeve of mine is that the majority of these immigrants are men. You'd think that if they cared for their families, they'd send everybody else first. Your children, your wife. Or is this just a double standard I'm applying here, that "men are more expendable"? Or do they think that they can make it to shore and THEN find a way to help the others? [sp]I don't personally believe this, it's actually quite funny, but some theorists say they send their men first because they were told by muslim priests to spread their genes and gradually supplant the population to accept their horseshit religion.[/sp][/QUOTE] Uhhh. Allow me to explain it from an immigrant's point of view. There is a reason why I left on my own, leaving my parents and most of my family behind in Venezuela, and that's because we all agreed that, seeing how we didn't have money for all of us to move at once, I would have the greatest chance of being able to find a job and become settled quickly, so that I can help them economically, and later on help them move. This isn't a Muslim thing, 2 million Venezuelans have left the country during the past decade, the majority of them young adults with a college education. You won't ever understand what emigrating on your own is like, because you'll never have to experience it, but at least realize that it's not a pleasant journey in any way. In the particular case of Syria, a lot of young men are actually escaping conscription, as well. Their families deliberately send them abroad so that they don't have to fight a senseless war. Families in Syria tend to be numerous, so it is very unusual for an entire family to seek asylum, just because of how difficult the road and the whole process is. Even then, some, who have no other choice, are forced to do it, which can only mean they have nothing to return to.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51745245] A pet peeve of mine is that the majority of these immigrants are men. You'd think that if they cared for their families, they'd send everybody else first. Your children, your wife. Or is this just a double standard I'm applying here, that "men are more expendable"? Or do they think that they can make it to shore and THEN find a way to help the others? [/QUOTE] Most refugees are men and don't bring their family along with them because the journey is dangerous. The men travel to whatever country they want to go and then hope that they can bring their families along later through family reunions. This means that the women and children don't have to make that dangerous journey. It also often costs a fuck ton to make the journey and not everyone can be moved at the same time, so the men will often take the responsibility to go first. It actually shows they do care lol
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51745208]I'm super glad for you guys, then. Not so much for some of the euro countries like the french. Didn't work out so well to "diversify" for them. It's an embarrassing way to lose your country, to be supplanted by large numbers of illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] I can tell form personal experience that this is true, having spend 5 years of my life in a college in the west of Amsterdam which is riddled with muslim. In those years I have been assaulted twice for expressing my Atheist view points during class and then being told by the school director that these kind of views might upset some and I should refrain form expressing them. Nothing was done to change this. This happened to others as well and the college tolerated it because you can't hurt the poor feelings of your majority Islamist students. To top it of I had a family member who was nearly killed when a truck of peace was on rampage in Berlin. So yeah I my eyes this violent cult has no place in the west and I applaud bans like the one impost by Trump.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51745340]I can tell form personal experience that this is true, having spend 5 years of my life in a college in the west of Amsterdam which is riddled with muslim. In those years I have been assaulted twice for expressing my Atheist view points during class and then being told by the school director that these kind of views might upset some and I should refrain form expressing them. Nothing was done to change this. This happened to others as well and the college tolerated it because you can't hurt the poor feelings of your majority Islamist students. To top it of I had a family member who was nearly killed when a truck of peace was on rampage in Berlin. So yeah I my eyes this violent cult has no place in the west and I applaud bans like the one impost by Trump.[/QUOTE] Your ignorant generalization of over a billion people has no place in modern society.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51745340]I can tell form personal experience that this is true, having spend 5 years of my life in a college in the west of Amsterdam which is riddled with muslim. In those years I have been assaulted twice for expressing my Atheist view points during class and then being told by the school director that these kind of views might upset some and I should refrain form expressing them. Nothing was done to change this. This happened to others as well and the college tolerated it because you can't hurt the poor feelings of your majority Islamist students. To top it of I had a family member who was nearly killed when a truck of peace was on rampage in Berlin. So yeah I my eyes this violent cult has no place in the west and I applaud bans like the one impost by Trump.[/QUOTE] So you hate muslims?
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51745340]I can tell form personal experience that this is true, having spend 5 years of my life in a college in the west of Amsterdam which is riddled with muslim. In those years I have been assaulted twice for expressing my Atheist view points during class and then being told by the school director that these kind of views might upset some and I should refrain form expressing them. Nothing was done to change this. This happened to others as well and the college tolerated it because you can't hurt the poor feelings of your majority Islamist students. To top it of I had a family member who was nearly killed when a truck of peace was on rampage in Berlin. So yeah I my eyes this violent cult has no place in the west and I applaud bans like the one impost by Trump.[/QUOTE] Why should we believe you based on ancedotal evidence? Why are you bringing this incident up but being vague by saying "assaulted"? Why are you generalizing millions (billions?) of people based on a handful?
I don't know. Accepting more refugee's into Canada is going to screw our economy more than it already is. We're doing arms trades with Saudi Arabia. We've gotten promises that Trudeau cannot keep, or force his way into. The USA is making weed legal before us, which will kill a lot of tourism. Canada's economy is falling, hard, I don't see accepting refugee's as a good thing for money wise. For moral purposes, hooray, so long as they become integrated and learn English. But again, that'll cost money. It's a lose/lose situation, but a win for them to come because they don't possibly get blown up by the 'small' amount of 'tiny' groups of radical Islamists.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51745257]It's funny you'd share that drivel at all if you didn't believe it, isn't it? I think you do believe it. And you're trying to find people who are every bit as deluded. You'll have to check Stormfront. [/QUOTE] If you want to think that then I can't stop you from assuming otherwise. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51745277]Uhhh. Allow me to explain it from an immigrant's point of view. There is a reason why I left on my own, leaving my parents and most of my family behind in Venezuela, and that's because we all agreed that, seeing how we didn't have money for all of us to move at once, I would have the greatest chance of being able to find a job and become settled quickly, so that I can help them economically, and later on help them move. This isn't a Muslim thing, 2 million Venezuelans have left the country during the past decade, the majority of them young adults with a college education. You won't ever understand what emigrating on your own is like, because you'll never have to experience it, but at least realize that it's not a pleasant journey in any way. In the particular case of Syria, a lot of young men are actually escaping conscription, as well. Their families deliberately send them abroad so that they don't have to fight a senseless war. Families in Syria tend to be numerous, so it is very unusual for an entire family to seek asylum, just because of how difficult the road and the whole process is. Even then, some, who have no other choice, are forced to do it, which can only mean they have nothing to return to.[/QUOTE] That helps me get the picture better. Thanks. [QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;51745307]Most refugees are men and don't bring their family along with them because the journey is dangerous. The men travel to whatever country they want to go and then hope that they can bring their families along later through family reunions. This means that the women and children don't have to make that dangerous journey. It also often costs a fuck ton to make the journey and not everyone can be moved at the same time, so the men will often take the responsibility to go first. It actually shows they do care lol[/QUOTE] I see, that explains some things.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51745208]I'm super glad for you guys, then. Not so much for some of the euro countries like the french. Didn't work out so well to "diversify" for them. It's an embarrassing way to lose your country, to be supplanted by large numbers of illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE] France has done about as little to encourage the integration of its immigrant population as humanly possible. If France loses its identity, it'll be it's own damn fault.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51745340]BLUDDY MUBLIMS[/QUOTE] yeah i applaud this, when a sect of a religion starts openly murdering in the streets and causing violence, we should solve it by banning anyone from countries which practice thi- [IMG]https://terrorism09.wikispaces.com/file/view/kkk_1925.jpg/75129839/kkk_1925.jpg[/IMG] -ah
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51742785]I guess treating people with basic respect is just tryin to get free votes then?[/QUOTE] these are politicians we are talking about, nothing is done for ethical reasons but rather short term results to get themselves reelected besides, in the thread where Trump was banning entry from certain muslim countries people were saying he did that partly for securing more conservative votes, how is this any different?
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Like Covalent said, I don't thing the whole "We welcome every immigrants" is a good mindset, So I'm a bit worried about our "sister" country. However, I'm not really informed about their infrastructures regarding that. But, since France was brought up, i'll take that as an example. While I do think the number of immigrants is too much for my country to handle, It's for an economic reason. Not for terrorism or any of those fear. I just don't want a repeat of Calais's "jungle". If it was Russians immigrants, or US immigrants, I would say the same thing. We currently don't have enough infrastructures to welcome immigrants. So they end up in ghettos (This is a loaded word, but you get the idea), or in one of those "Jungle". So yeah, France is not doing a good job at integrating Immigrants, because instead of making sure we can welcome,and integrate them, the gov though "Sure, come, we'll figure it out as we go along" My point is : We should stop trying to demonize Immigrants, like Trump is doing. The real issue is trying to welcome immigrants without the necessary infrastructures. On a side note, please don't fall into the "Europe/France is Muslim now" memes, that's just asinine. Our Far-Right is spouting nonsenses about that all day long, and it's really getting on my nerves.
Spain has a lot of muslims and non-muslim moroccans, and honestly I think I have only seen one inherently troublesome one, as long as you respect them they will respect you.
[QUOTE=Kentz;51745584]these are politicians we are talking about, nothing is done for ethical reasons but rather short term results to get themselves reelected besides, in the thread where Trump was banning entry from certain muslim countries people were saying he did that partly for securing more conservative votes, how is this any different?[/QUOTE] I don't speak for other people but I'd like to think we can expect better of our politicians. I'm pretty fucking sick of cynicism.
if you think any western leadership will properly help and house these people, vet out the criminals or those without proper documentation, and aren't actually just using them as more future votes for their own party you are delusional. good luck, canada. i'm sure you'll receive many an investment and global talent.
I miss when republicans had a respect for human rights.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51745626]if you think any western leadership will properly help and house these people, vet out the criminals or those without proper documentation, and aren't actually just using them as more future votes for their own party you are delusional. good luck, canada. i'm sure you'll receive many an investment and global talent.[/QUOTE] if only there were some other sizeable nation nearby that could evenly distribute them to minimize economic and social impact on both countries...
[QUOTE=soullink;51745601]Like Covalent said, I don't thing the whole "We welcome every immigrants" is a good mindset, So I'm a bit worried about our "sister" country. However, I'm not really informed about their infrastructures regarding that. But, since France was brought up, i'll take that as an example. While I do think the number of immigrants is too much for my country to handle, It's for an economic reason. Not for terrorism or any of those fear. I just don't want a repeat of Calais's "jungle". If it was Russians immigrants, or US immigrants, I would say the same thing. We currently don't have enough infrastructures to welcome immigrants. So they end up in ghettos (This is a loaded word, but you get the idea), or in one of those "Jungle". So yeah, France is not doing a good job at integrating Immigrants, because instead of making sure we can welcome,and integrate them, the gov though "Sure, come, we'll figure it out as we go along" My point is : We should stop trying to demonize Immigrants, like Trump is doing. The real issue is trying to welcome immigrants without the necessary infrastructures. On a side note, please don't fall into the "Europe/France is Muslim now" memes, that's just asinine. Our Far-Right is spouting nonsenses about that all day long, and it's really getting on my nerves.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but then, the countries WITH those infrastructures, like the US specifically, aren't collaborating anymore! What do you do then?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51745767]Yeah, but then, the countries WITH those infrastructures, like the US specifically, aren't collaborating anymore! What do you do then?[/QUOTE] Try to establish as much refugee aid in countries next to the conflict zone like we should have done from the start. Would probably have saved more lives too at that. But we ran into the issue there of Saudi Arabia refusing to take any refugees in despite having a permanent tent camp around Mecca with all the accommodations needed. And then Merkel did that whole ''Wir schaffen das'' stunt that backfired horrendously for Europe, and fucked up the funding for those refugee camps in those earlier mentioned countries as well, as their funding got pulled because Europe suddenly had to accommodate fully for millions of immigrants in Europe instead of those countries we were economically helping out before. Meanwhile, mostly vulnerable people, women, children and the elderly are being left behind there, while their adult men were getting pretty much a free pass into Europe. And unfortunately for us, a lot of human garbage came along with them. And they don't even have to be from anywhere near that conflict zone, as we have gotten thousands of North Africans checking into our refugee centers while committing a shitload of crime upon the local population. Especially in Weert and Ten Apel. Our patience is really running out with those people.
I wonder if people made the same argument about politicians just currying votes when they gave women the right to vote.
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