• Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau responds to US Refugee Ban: "Welcome to Canada."
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[QUOTE=Jordax;51745786]Try to establish as much refugee aid in countries next to the conflict zone like we should have done from the start. Would probably have saved more lives too at that. But we ran into the issue there of Saudi Arabia refusing to take any refugees in despite having a permanent tent camp around Mecca with all the accommodations needed. And then Merkel did that whole ''Wir schaffen das'' stunt that backfired horrendously for Europe, and fucked up the funding for those refugee camps in those earlier mentioned countries as well, as their funding got pulled because Europe suddenly had to accommodate fully for millions of immigrants in Europe instead of those countries we were economically helping out before.[/QUOTE] 'Wir schaffen das' did not cause the refugee crisis in Europe, it was already ongoing. Merkel merely tried to take the pressure off of Italy and the Balkans, which were getting flooded with refugees. Stop trying to blame Merkel for everything. [QUOTE=Jordax;51745786]And unfortunately for us, a lot of human garbage came along with them.[/QUOTE] Proof that it is a 'whole lot'? [QUOTE=Jordax;51745786]And they don't even have to be from anywhere near that conflict zone, as we have gotten thousands of North Africans checking into our refugee centers while committing a shitload of crime upon the local population. Especially in Weert and Ten Apel.[/QUOTE] That they are checked into these centers doesn't mean they'll be granted asylum. They will be rejected because they did not come from a country where their existence is threatened for any reason. Also, do you have any hard statistics that prove that crime has increased around refugee centers? [QUOTE=Jordax;51745786]Our patience is really running out with those people.[/QUOTE] Also stop trying to speak for everyone
[QUOTE=soullink;51745601]Like Covalent said, I don't thing the whole "We welcome every immigrants" is a good mindset, So I'm a bit worried about our "sister" country. However, I'm not really informed about their infrastructures regarding that. But, since France was brought up, i'll take that as an example. While I do think the number of immigrants is too much for my country to handle, It's for an economic reason. Not for terrorism or any of those fear. I just don't want a repeat of Calais's "jungle". If it was Russians immigrants, or US immigrants, I would say the same thing. We currently don't have enough infrastructures to welcome immigrants. So they end up in ghettos (This is a loaded word, but you get the idea), or in one of those "Jungle". So yeah, France is not doing a good job at integrating Immigrants, because instead of making sure we can welcome,and integrate them, the gov though "Sure, come, we'll figure it out as we go along" My point is : We should stop trying to demonize Immigrants, like Trump is doing. The real issue is trying to welcome immigrants without the necessary infrastructures. On a side note, please don't fall into the "Europe/France is Muslim now" memes, that's just asinine. Our Far-Right is spouting nonsenses about that all day long, and it's really getting on my nerves.[/QUOTE] This I completely agree with. However; Canada has welcomed 39,000 refugees into our country since Justin Trudeau took office in 2015. There has been no end of Conservative rhetoric about how terrible they are, but we've yet to see any definite rise in crime, sexual assault, or anything the fascist anti-immigrant lobby would fearmonger about. This is because the Canadian government invests a decent amount in infrastructure to help refugee families integrate. And we can handle this more easily than most because we have a small population, that we rely heavily on immigration to maintain. Turns out, if you've got a culture that celebrates cultural diversity and religious freedoms, and only asks in return that people have the same mutual respect for every other human being that they themselves are afforded, they integrate pretty damn well. And it works because we don't keep them cooped up in camps for long; we have social workers deal with them to give them the help they need to acclimatize to differences in Canadian Culture, and help them find work as soon as they're ready.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51745933]I wonder if people made the same argument about politicians just currying votes when they gave women the right to vote.[/QUOTE] In Canada that was exactly how it had happened. The Prime Minister at the time, Robert Borden, had passed a very controversial conscription act in an election year. He then extended the vote to nurses serving overseas and women with close relatives serving overseas, the types of women most likely to support conscription and himself. He made little effort to conceal the fact that he was just currying votes. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_Crisis_of_1917[/url]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51745629]I miss when republicans had a respect for human rights.[/QUOTE] no matter what label you put on people that disagree with you, citizenship is not a human right. no human can be left stateless but denying citizenship from people coming in from another country is no violation of human rights. here's a wake up call for you: i miss when democrats had enough respect for human rights not to drone-bomb the shit out of civilians of foreign countries.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51747041]no matter what label you put on people that disagree with you, citizenship is not a human right. no human can be left stateless but denying citizenship from people coming in from another country is no violation of human rights. here's a wake up call for you: i miss when democrats had enough respect for human rights not to drone-bomb the shit out of civilians of foreign countries.[/QUOTE] That's something both parties have been doing. For the most part, you'll notice that while domestic policy changes depending on the administration and party, foreign policy remains largely the same. That's an America problem. Not a Democrat problem specifically. As for granting someone citizenship, the refugees who meet the requirements for permanent residency have the same path to citizenship as any other Canadian permanent resident. I don't see what's wrong with that.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51745345]Your ignorant generalization of over a billion people has no place in modern society.[/QUOTE] I have beef with there ideology not so much with the person unless they start using physical violence. [QUOTE=Big Bang;51745391]So you hate muslims?[/QUOTE] I hate there violent ideology not the person who follows it. The reason being that a person can change but a ideology that, hardly ever changes. [QUOTE=ZestyLemons;51745482]Why should we believe you based on ancedotal evidence? Why are you bringing this incident up but being vague by saying "assaulted"? Why are you generalizing millions (billions?) of people based on a handful?[/QUOTE] Well you don't have to this is the internet after all and a lot of people claim a lot of things. But why would you think i lie anyway? Do you really think i would fabricate a lie in order to push my narrative on a new section on a gmod forum? The reason i bring this up is because it provides background to my views on this.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51747217]II hate there violent ideology not the person who follows it. The reason being that a person can change but a ideology that, hardly ever changes.[/QUOTE] That's convenient, seeing how the ideology doesn't exist without the people that follow it. Just be honest with yourself and say, "I hate muslims", without pussyfooting around with the terminology.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51747217]I hate there violent ideology not the person who follows it. The reason being that a person can change but a ideology that, hardly ever changes.[/QUOTE] It's funny how people like you and Tudd criticise the shit out of PC culture but then you pussyfoot around issues like this, careful not to say the wrong thing lest you piss someone off.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51747231]That's convenient, seeing how the ideology doesn't exist without the people that follow it. Just be honest with yourself and say, "I hate muslims", without pussyfooting around with the terminology.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51747251]It's funny how people like you and Tudd criticise the shit out of PC culture but then you pussyfoot around issues like this, careful not to say the wrong thing lest you piss someone off.[/QUOTE] Sigh keep building that same straw man maybe someday you can do something useful with it.
I have lived around muslims, blacks, whites, arabs, chinese, japanese, fuck it, literally every ethnicity you can think of for the majority of my life. My elementary school was so diverse it's hard to really put that into words how formative experiences like that are. People are people, and something you people seem to have forgotten is that everyone, every culture, every person on earth has the capacity to be a monster, to be a demon, and they have the same capacity to be angels. Demonizing people before they're either one, isn't going to push them in both directions equally, it's going to push them down a darker, and more violent path. The ideologies coming out of these areas are not clear cut things you can say and define in such black and white terms. It's distressing that you even try to and refuse to see that it's not that black and white. There are people who rennounce it, people who embrace it, and no doubt literally everything in between. Compassion is a tool that changes people. Hatred is a tool that solidifies them and their reactions. I can't really believe there's 0 hatred coming from some of you based on how you phrase things. You're not helping, I know you think it's the best way forward but history says you're wrong.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51747485]I have lived around muslims, blacks, whites, arabs, chinese, japanese, fuck it, literally every ethnicity you can think of for the majority of my life. My elementary school was so diverse it's hard to really put that into words how formative experiences like that are. People are people, and something you people seem to have forgotten is that everyone, every culture, every person on earth has the capacity to be a monster, to be a demon, and they have the same capacity to be angels. Demonizing people before they're either one, isn't going to push them in both directions equally, it's going to push them down a darker, and more violent path. The ideologies coming out of these areas are not clear cut things you can say and define in such black and white terms. It's distressing that you even try to and refuse to see that it's not that black and white. There are people who rennounce it, people who embrace it, and no doubt literally everything in between. Compassion is a tool that changes people. Hatred is a tool that solidifies them and their reactions. I can't really believe there's 0 hatred coming from some of you based on how you phrase things. You're not helping, I know you think it's the best way forward but history says you're wrong.[/QUOTE] This exactly. Anyone who's like "I don't hate Muslims, I hate their ideology" is assuming that all who follow that ideology are inherently violent. You're just as much of a bigot as the rest. The vast majority of Muslims, especially those living in the west, have little sympathy and no love for those who use their religion to justify violence. Because that's all religion ever is when we're talking about extremists, no matter what faith you follow. Justification for hatred. Without it, those who use violence would be every bit as violent - they'd just find another excuse.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51747673]This exactly. Anyone who's like "I don't hate Muslims, I hate their ideology" is assuming that all who follow that ideology are inherently violent. You're just as much of a bigot as the rest. The vast majority of Muslims, especially those living in the west, have little sympathy and no love for those who use their religion to justify violence. Because that's all religion ever is when we're talking about extremists, no matter what faith you follow. Justification for hatred. Without it, those who use violence would be every bit as violent - they'd just find another excuse.[/QUOTE] It's like those christians that say Hate the sin, not the sinner. It doesn't really fail to hide their homophobia.
I should have moved to Canada. You know, if I wasn't already enrolled in a four year college, thousands of dollars in debt, and had a job offer. Also [quote]"Welcome to Canada. You have chosen, or been chosen to immigrate to one of our finest remaining first world nations..."[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;51747978]I should have moved to Canada. You know, if I wasn't already enrolled in a four year college, thousands of dollars in debt, and had a job offer. Also[/QUOTE] You certainly live up to your username :v:
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51745626]if you think any western leadership will properly help and house these people, vet out the criminals or those without proper documentation, and aren't actually just using them as more future votes for their own party you are delusional. good luck, canada. i'm sure you'll receive many an investment and global talent.[/QUOTE] This isn't Europe bud, this is Canada. Canada, like the US, is in and of itself a nation of immigrants that have always accepted people of different colors and creeds, and thus have the necessary infrastructure to deal with new immigrants and integrating them into the nation.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51749012]This isn't Europe bud, this is Canada. Canada, like the US, is in and of itself a nation of immigrants that have always accepted people of different colors and creeds, and thus have the necessary infrastructure to deal with new immigrants and integrating them into the nation.[/QUOTE] Not always. Canada's got its own list of sins, old, not so old, and... ongoing. But we do okay, I like to think. At least when we've got a competent Liberal administration.
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