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TestECull, whats the big deal, it's not like engine powered cars will disappear if electric cars become popular. You sound fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34117291]....No, they aren't. On paper sure, but they don't excite like a nice engine does. [/QUOTE] Electric has the potential to go way faster and be way more powerfull then any combustion engine. I would hate to have the sound of the engine roar go but sadly thats where we are headding. [quote] Gasoline tanks rupture far far faaaaaar more often than hydrogen tanks do. [/quote] Hydrogen tanks leak constantly (around 5 to 10% a day) Do the math and see how fast it empty's. You also need an expensive class 3/4 tank with around 300 to 600 bar of pressure in it to get annywhere with hydrogen(thats 600x atmosphere) imagine one rupturing. The only way of having hydrogen not leak straight trough solid steel is by binding it to carbon (requires a massive compressor and heat exchanger) or cooling it down to -260c [quote] I haven't even seen a car engine flood in person, and I drive plenty of flooding-prone carb'd engines. [/quote] Most people drive injection annyway so this isnt even an issue. [quote] Flood a car engine and there's either a SERIOUS fuel system problem that needs addressing or the driver is a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to start an engine with a carb on it. [/quote] Meh long start on a cold day can do this to any car. The main reason why Hydrogen wouldnt work atm is the massive cost of the Platinum catalyst and the problem with storing fuel. Electrolyzing hydrogen from water only has 50% efficiency annyway, and the most used hydrogen cell (PEM cell) also only has a 50% efficiency. This leaves you with only 25% efficiency overal on Hydrogen. If you combine this with all the other stuff you need to get it to work it actually costs more energy to use hydrogen then to not use it. its EROEI (Energy returned on energy invested) is only 0.5 that of oil is 3 to 10.
[QUOTE=belgiumtoast;34096778]Doubt it, this story. Will never see it again like all breakthroughs.[/QUOTE] Because people are paid to be quiet, there have been many stories of people inventing things such as "free" energy devices that are actually efficient and them they disappear. If something like this battery was released it could have a major impact on petrol car sales, that can't be allowed.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34117694] You are the very bane of human progress, you are the epitome of mass stupidity.[/QUOTE] "Hey, someone prefers an ICE over an electric one, how dare they!?! He must be the scum of the Earth for having a personal preference and must be a terrible person!"
I've spent hours behind the wheel of EVs. Lack of soul? Pah.
I can see where TestECull is coming from. It's the sort of thing only a car guy could ever understand. I can only equate an opinion like that to people who own black powder weapons. They're messy, they're inaccurate, and new and better firearms have been perfected, so why would anyone own black powder? Because they like the history? Because they like the mechanical inner workings? The smell? The sound? There's no history to an electric car, not with their fairly recent introduction.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34098497]I still won't buy them. I'm not giving up my gas burners, just not gonna happen. Besides, more people switch to electric, more gas remains for those of us who don't want to switch. So yeah. You guys have fun. More V8s for me, more gas for me. Edit: Oh, hey, wonderful. Thanks for the free boxes, guys. Makes it easy to organize valvetrain parts when I'm working on my engines. Keep them coming![/QUOTE] Okay. Have it. Just so you know, the prices will skyrocket.
Oh look, it's that one miracle again [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TestECull;34098497]I still won't buy them. I'm not giving up my gas burners, just not gonna happen. Besides, more people switch to electric, more gas remains for those of us who don't want to switch. So yeah. You guys have fun. More V8s for me, more gas for me. Edit: Oh, hey, wonderful. Thanks for the free boxes, guys. Makes it easy to organize valvetrain parts when I'm working on my engines. Keep them coming![/QUOTE] Have fun, hermit!
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;34119110]I can see where TestECull is coming from. It's the sort of thing only a car guy could ever understand. I can only equate an opinion like that to people who own black powder weapons. They're messy, they're inaccurate, and new and better firearms have been perfected, so why would anyone own black powder? Because they like the history? Because they like the mechanical inner workings? The smell? The sound? There's no history to an electric car, not with their fairly recent introduction.[/QUOTE] Isn't the history of the electric car the normal petrol powered car? It's just the next step in personal automobiles.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34120000]Isn't the history of the electric car the normal petrol powered car? It's just the next step in personal automobiles.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that you're not going to find an electric car from decades ago in the same way that you'd find a gasoline powered car from the same era.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;34120055]I'm saying that you're not going to find an electric car from decades ago in the same way that you'd find a gasoline powered car from the same era.[/QUOTE] You're saying that you don't want to use something that was only recently made because it doesn't have enough history yet? How old is your computer?
I really need to get working on my ethanol chemistry. We need moar, people love their petrol engines.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34117291]....No, they aren't. On paper sure, but they don't excite like a nice engine does.[/quote] In practice. The tesla roadster annihilates other cars and it isn't even particularly advanced. [quote]Why build an expensive gaming PC that wastes 50% of the power coming in as heat when you could buy a cheap little Dell that will check your email and use next to no power?[/quote] You have the comparison backwards. Why buy a computer that has a massively inefficient power supply when you can buy a computer that has more power and is several orders of magnitude more efficient? [quote]Gasoline tanks rupture far far faaaaaar more often than hydrogen tanks do.[/quote] A) No shit, there are several hundred thousand, if not million, times as many gas tanks in existence as there are hydrogen tanks. B) hydrogen tanks don't need to rupture. That is the problem. It is a physics issue. Hydrogen is the smallest available atom, and thus needs the least amount of space in order to escape containment. A leak in your gas line is uncommon and generally easily recognized by gasoline dripping out. Hydrogen leaks would be infinitely more common and undetectable without equipment. [quote] And your point is? [/quote] Less fluids to leak. Less points of failure. Lower maintenance. [quote] The last engine I flooded is so small I can wrap one hand around the entire thing. That engine displaces 0.18 cubic inches, 3ccs for those of you on metric, and runs on a mixture of alcohol, castor oil and nitromethane.[/quote] Because modern engines have fail safes in place to prevent you from flooding it. I am talking about continuing to increase the fuel flow until the engine chokes. That doesn't happen with an electric motor. The more power flowing into it, the faster it spins. (Wankel engines are an exception to this. They don't generally flood. An electric motor is still going to have a higher RPM and is unlikely to actually explode like the Wankel does when you pass its resistance threshold) [quote] I haven't even seen a car engine flood in person, and I drive plenty of flooding-prone carb'd engines.[/quote] Again, fail safes and limiters that also limit performance. [quote] As are ICE engines. The only limit to how fast you can spin a piston engine is how strong the rods, crank and block is. We have the technology to feed them air and fuel at RPMs far in excess of what they can handle structurally.[/quote] They eventually flood and choke. Not to mention the massively diminishing returns as you increase the RPM's. [quote]I provided plenty of evidence as to why someone would do so. It's called personal preference. Some of us just enjoy the act of driving, and for those of us in that group the sound of the engine is 100% part of the equation. [/quote] So why defend it. If you acknowledge that it is pointless and pure frivolity? [quote] I could build a V8 that could rip it's transmission in half if you dump the clutch. Your point?[/quote] An axle a solid metal bar that is unlikely to ever fail in the lifetime of a vehicle barring serious driver error or massive accident. A transmission is a box of gears that is extremely likely to fail. Destroying one is not even remotely comparable to the other one. In related news a transmission is unnecessary for electric vehicles. For higher speeds/performance, it is recommended, but you can operate day to day movements entirely without a transmission. Yet another point of failure removed and acceleration as well as deceleration made seamless. [quote]If I said I cared I'd be lying worse than a GOP candidate. I don't want a dull, boring, predictable little milk float motor in my car. That doesn't excite me. I want to be exited. I want to enjoy driving. I want to drop two cogs and listen to the engine absolutely scream while the back end slides around a corner. I want to enjoy driving, not feel like I'm in an overblown golf cart. Sure the motor may be better on paper, but it isn't better for me, and that's all there is to it. If it isn't better for me it isn't going into my driveway.[/quote] Your mindset is so very alien.
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Well, I am with TestECull on this one. I will use gasoline right up until the day it runs out, and then I will switch to biodiesel or the like. I love the roar of an engine, and quite frankly I refuse to give it up, and I am quite sure that there are a ton of people out there just like me. I also do not understand why people seem to get so upset over the fact that there are those of us who don't want electric cars. Its our choice, you don't see me telling your an idiot for liking electric cars. Hey if thats what floats your boat, then go ahead. Just leave me be with my choice of vehicle. However with that said I do hope that the rest of you switch over to electric, that way there will be a flood of nice used ICE vehicles for cheap, and the gasoline supply will last that much longer for those of us who would prefer the good old reliable internal combustion engine.
[QUOTE=bord2tears;34113748]If "gas" (oil/petroleum sources) runs out we are also done with plastics and many medicines.[/QUOTE] we can make plastics out of plants, other remaining manufacturing uses for petroleum are the perfect reason to stop burning the stuff [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=CK5;34121488]Well, I am with TestECull on this one. I will use gasoline right up until the day it runs out, and then I will switch to biodiesel or the like. I love the roar of an engine, and quite frankly I refuse to give it up, and I am quite sure that there are a ton of people out there just like me. I also do not understand why people seem to get so upset over the fact that there are those of us who don't want electric cars. Its our choice, you don't see me telling your an idiot for liking electric cars. Hey if thats what floats your boat, then go ahead. Just leave me be with my choice of vehicle. However with that said I do hope that the rest of you switch over to electric, that way there will be a flood of nice used ICE vehicles for cheap, and the gasoline supply will last that much longer for those of us who would prefer the good old reliable internal combustion engine.[/QUOTE] I am with you as well. I just love the smell of leaded gasoline, mm mm MMM, and I will use it right up until the day I can't continue to smuggle it in from Cuba. I love the thick haze that comes out of my garage when I open the door in the morning and quite frankly I refuse to give it up, and I am quite sure that there are a ton of people just like me. I also do not understand why people seem to get so upset over the fact that there are those of us who don't want to use unleaded gasoline in our cars. It's our choice, and you don't see me telling you you're an idiot for liking unleaded gasoline. Hey, if it's what floats your boat, then go ahead. Just leave me be with my choice of gasoline.
To those making the claim that the oil companies don't have the power to threaten, bribe and steal patents, here this: I have a relative who has been the direct victim of this type of [B]corporate bullshit[/B]. He created a patent for a device that could boost the MPG of a vehicle by around +10/15 (I forget the specific details), and a day later he recieved offers from several companies to purchase the patent. He refused, knowing what he had invented was capable of, and over the next few weeks, he refused threatening letters, emails, and phone calls, and eventually had to succumb to the pressure. [B][h2]THEY FUCKING DO THIS ALL THE TIME, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS[/h2][/B]
I'll stay with ICE to the end. I grew up working on them with my father, I'm way too connected to them to swap it out for some boring as fuck electric car that'll end up being a whole different ball game to work with. If someone wants to switch over to an electric because cars are nothing more than a tool they use to go somewhere, that's fine, they're using it for a completely different reason than me. I wouldn't expect them to understand why I want to stick with this.
I'll be using a gasoline car until I can get something like this: [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAYrsEOxqYc[/MEDIA] I don't see how that could be boring, being able to go that fast in that short of a time. But he did say in the video, it does sound like an electric drill, which isn't the most attractive of noises.
This is like refusing to switch over to quantum computing and instead sticking with current processors because you like the hum of the fans and are familiar with working with them. Or sticking with coal plants instead of fusion tech because you like the smell and ridiculous amounts of radiation given off by coal plants. Or sticking with CRT instead of LCD because you like the sound it makes when it turns on. The list goes on and on.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34121753]we can make plastics out of plants, other remaining manufacturing uses for petroleum are the perfect reason to stop burning the stuff [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] I am with you as well. I just love the smell of leaded gasoline, mm mm MMM, and I will use it right up until the day I can't continue to smuggle it in from Cuba. I love the thick haze that comes out of my garage when I open the door in the morning and quite frankly I refuse to give it up, and I am quite sure that there are a ton of people just like me. I also do not understand why people seem to get so upset over the fact that there are those of us who don't want to use unleaded gasoline in our cars. It's our choice, and you don't see me telling you you're an idiot for liking unleaded gasoline. Hey, if it's what floats your boat, then go ahead. Just leave me be with my choice of gasoline.[/QUOTE] I don't know what point your trying to make here. Leaded gasoline, IMHO, is and was better than unleaded. However that's not a valid comparison, since leaded gasoline and unleaded gasoline both power internal combustion engines. Your talking about a switch to an entirely different type of engine. But, at present, there is absolutely no reason for me to spend my hard earned money on an electric vehicle when my gasoline one works perfectly. And I don't see that changing. Maybe, when I can pick up a nice used electric car for under 10 grand, like I can with gasoline cars, then I would consider using it for commuting. But as far as I am concerned in terms of a driving experience, ICE vehicles are much nicer. I still fail to see why it concerns you such that some people might not agree with you. Go get an electric car if you want, I am simply stating that I will not get an electric car, atleast not any of the ones I have seen that are either in current production, or future designs.
[QUOTE=CK5;34122731]I don't know what point your trying to make here. Leaded gasoline, IMHO, is and was better than unleaded. However that's not a valid comparison, since leaded gasoline and unleaded gasoline both power internal combustion engines. Your talking about a switch to an entirely different type of engine. But, at present, there is absolutely no reason for me to spend my hard earned money on an electric vehicle when my gasoline one works perfectly. And I don't see that changing. Maybe, when I can pick up a nice used electric car for under 10 grand, like I can with gasoline cars, then I would consider using it for commuting. But as far as I am concerned in terms of a driving experience, ICE vehicles are much nicer. I still fail to see why it concerns you such that some people might not agree with you. Go get an electric car if you want, I am simply stating that I will not get an electric car, atleast not any of the ones I have seen that are either in current production, or future designs.[/QUOTE] We have not a problem with your choice but rather your reasoning.
Good Electric cars are the future and you're blind if you think otherwise... [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] Engine noises aren't worth ruining the planet + holding back the automobile industry, and tons of electric cars simulate combustion noises anyway now so you can tell if the engine is on or off
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;34122754]We have not a problem with your choice but rather your reasoning.[/QUOTE] You won't get a good reason from me because I know there aren't. Its a gear head thing, I like the rumble of an ICE, I like the feel when you hit the power curve and the car starts taking off, shifting gears, you name it. Its completely illogical and I think most of us understand that Electric cars will eventually be here to stay, but until they get dirt cheap we won't get them. and I think that goes for most of you, my guess is that these cars are going to be incredibly expensive and only a few of us will actually be able to afford it.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;34122754]We have not a problem with your choice but rather your reasoning.[/QUOTE] I'm curious, whats wrong with my reasoning? I mean I thought I explained my reasoning fairly well. I prefer the look, feel, sound and convenience of an ICE vehicle. I also prefer the fact that there quite a bit cheaper as well. And really, the exhaust of just about any vehicle made after the 1990s is extremely clean, and I highly doubt that it contributes anything significant to atmospheric pollution.
[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;34119110]I can see where TestECull is coming from. It's the sort of thing only a car guy could ever understand. I can only equate an opinion like that to people who own black powder weapons. They're messy, they're inaccurate, and new and better firearms have been perfected, so why would anyone own black powder? Because they like the history? Because they like the mechanical inner workings? The smell? The sound? There's no history to an electric car, not with their fairly recent introduction.[/QUOTE] Actually electric cars were introduced before gasoline powered automobiles. They didn't catch on because of range issues back then too. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/EdisonElectricCar1913.jpg[/IMG] Here's an example from 1913 (That's Thomas Edison standing next to it)
[QUOTE=jeimizu;34123931]Actually electric cars were introduced before gasoline powered automobiles. They didn't catch on because of range issues back then too. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/EdisonElectricCar1913.jpg[/IMG] Here's an example from 1913 (That's Thomas Edison standing next to it)[/QUOTE] Yeah, electric cars have been around for a long while. I think the oldest one was from the late 1880s.
I prefer the horse.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34117291]....No, they aren't. On paper sure, but they don't excite like a nice engine does. blablabla [/QUOTE] Funny how all of is winner ratings are americans. I also feel like an idiot for not getting zeke's satire.
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