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maybe that's just one reason, perhaps, amongst many? not really. religious ones usually involve scripture and christ, secular ones... don't. the arguments I posted aren't based on christian/other religious authority. E: hey am I a homophobe simply because I'm against gay marriage?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28723873]maybe that's just one reason, perhaps, amongst many? not really. religious ones usually involve scripture and christ, secular ones... don't. the arguments I posted aren't based on christian/other religious authority.[/QUOTE] well that's quite dense. are we supposed to pretend this idea of a singular nuclear family unit isn't based on religious propositions? i don't see anything wrong with a child having two same-sex parents and the research generally shows they are better off even because statistically gay parents are more likely to be better off financially and tend to be more secure so the research isn't on their side. what is? common sense and religion, which is both the same terms for "EVERYTHING's FUCKING FINE I DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT BAW"
[QUOTE=thisispain;28723895]well that's quite dense. are we supposed to pretend this idea of a singular nuclear family unit isn't based on religious propositions? i don't see anything wrong with a child having two same-sex parents and the research generally shows they are better off even because statistically gay parents are more likely to be better off financially and tend to be more secure so the research isn't on their side. what is? common sense and religion, which is both the same terms for "EVERYTHING's FUCKING FINE I DON'T WANNA CHANGE IT BAW"[/QUOTE] have you actually read the arguments?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28723909]have you actually read the arguments?[/QUOTE] well it's quite easy to just say "have you read the arguments" instead of offering a rebuttal innit and i quote [quote]When the purpose of marriage is procreation, the answer is obvious. If sexual love becomes the primary purpose, the restriction of marriage to couples loses its logical basis, leading to marital chaos.[/quote] marital chaos... do i have to underline how ridiculous that sentence is? [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28723873] E: hey am I a homophobe simply because I'm against gay marriage?[/QUOTE] probably
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28723873] E: hey am I a homophobe simply because I'm against gay marriage?[/QUOTE] absolutely
if the angry one says it it's true [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] plus what's gay about two dudes getting married?
Gah, Australia won't be able to have same sex marriage for awhile now, with Labor not supporting it or Tony Abbot not either...
She is the best we have I'd rather her any day over Abbot [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;28723953]absolutely[/QUOTE] Not necessarily Not wanting them to be allowed marriage rights does not mean they are scared of them. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28723664]There aren't. Gay people will exist either way, your disdain of them, and willingness to legislate against them doesn't change that. Gay people are [b]people[/b] and deserve all the rights of other people, who they love shouldn't affect that. And why is it wrong to euthanize someone who is willing? There is ONLY the religious argument I'm aware of on this issue. but whatever, homophobes just want to find a way to be discriminator fucks.[/QUOTE] Suicidal people could use it. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] Before you accuse me of being homophobic, I'm not. I couldn't care less about who you fuck, it's your personality that matters.
Fuck it. I'm packing my shit and moving to the moon.
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28724646]I'm not. I couldn't care less about who you fuck, it's your personality that matters.[/QUOTE] ok?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28723873] E: hey am I a homophobe simply because I'm against gay marriage?[/QUOTE] [h2]Yes[/h2] I love the new big font [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atokniro;28724646]Suicidal people could use it. [/QUOTE] I'm tempted to say "and...?" but if you insist, have mandatory psychological evaluations
[QUOTE=thisispain;28724686]ok?[/QUOTE] I've been accused of it for less, I'm preemptively covering my arse
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28724646] Not necessarily Not wanting them to be allowed marriage rights does not mean they are scared of them. [/QUOTE] scared and or intolerant yes it makes them homophobes, 100%. ones in denial.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28724717][h2]Yes[/h2] I love the new big font [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] I'm tempted to say "and...?" but if you insist, have mandatory psychological evaluations[/QUOTE] No he isn't a homophobe for simply disagreeing, but his other behaviors suggests otherwise [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;28724779]scared and or intolerant yes it makes them homophobes, 100%. ones in denial.[/QUOTE] "phobe" implies fear, simply disagreeing does not mean there is fear involved
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28724788]No he isn't a homophobe for simply disagreeing, but his other behaviors suggests otherwise [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] "phobe" implies fear, simply disagreeing does not mean there is fear involved[/QUOTE] they are intolerant of homosexuals. it doesn't matter what word you use for it, that's what they are intolerance usually stems from fear. i'm willing to bet anyone who doesn't want them to marry is scared, and it manifests into hate. it's a fear of the unknown. i don't understand it therefore i'm scared of it therefore i hate it. are you actually trying to argue this? it's the most basic shit. there's no way you can argue they shouldn't get married without it being homophobic, be it from a religious point or view or a 'moral' point of view. since i've seen a few people trying to say it's not because of their religious views, remember that marriage itself comes from religion.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;28724808]they are intolerant of homosexuals. it doesn't matter what word you use for it, that's what they are intolerance [B]usually[/B] stems from fear. i'm willing to bet anyone who doesn't want them to marry is scared, and it manifests into hate. it's a fear of the unknown. i don't understand it therefore i'm scared of it therefore i hate it. are you actually trying to argue this? it's the most basic shit. there's no way you can argue they shouldn't get married without it being homophobic, be it from a religious point or view or a 'moral' point of view. since i've seen a few people trying to say it's not because of their religious views, remember that marriage itself comes from religion.[/QUOTE] Keyword. I guess I'm just sick of people being labelled becasue they have similar thoughts to the group they are being labelled as being a part of.
i personally think it's disgusting that you would say that just because of their sexual orientation, they shouldn't be allowed to join in on a basic human right and be married to the same sex. what conceivable reason could you give otherwise? short of 'finding homosexuality immoral', please. tell me why somebody would personally disagree with their right to marry. what's marriage anyway? it's not about sex, it's about love. there was a guy saying it would fundamentally destroy a marriage if it was based on sex. it's not, why would anyone think homosexuality is purely about sex? it shows a real lack of understanding and a tenuous grip on reality. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atokniro;28724850]Keyword. I guess I'm just sick of people being labelled becasue they have similar thoughts to the group they are being labelled as being a part of.[/QUOTE] hey man nice argument. thanks for your 'alternative reasons people would be against it' show me a single argument that doesn't stem from a fear.
"Homophobe" is a misnomer and is used to refer to anyone intolerant of homosexuality, let's stop arguing semantics because it's pointless. Intolerance stems from fear 99% of the time but the word is also used for that other 1%.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;28724855]i personally think it's disgusting that you would say that just because of their sexual orientation, they shouldn't be allowed to join in on a basic human right and be married to another man. what conceivable reason could you give otherwise? short of 'finding homosexuality immoral', please. tell me why somebody would personally disagree with their right to marry. what's marriage anyway? it's not about sex, it's about love. there was a guy saying it would fundamentally destroy a marriage if it was based on sex. it's not, why would anyone think homosexuality is purely about sex? it shows a real lack of understanding and a tenuous grip on reality. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] hey man nice argument. thanks for your 'alternative reasons people would be against it' show me a single argument that doesn't stem from a fear.[/QUOTE] I'm not against it. What I am against is people being labelled for having similar thoughts. I said earlier I couldn't give a fuck who you fuck, it's your personality that matters. [QUOTE=Zeke129;28724861]"Homophobe" is a misnomer and is used to refer to anyone intolerant of homosexuality, let's stop arguing semantics because it's pointless. Intolerance stems from fear 99% of the time but the word is also used for that other 1%.[/QUOTE] Lets just go with this ok rusty?
What's wrong with the label if it's accurate? Look at the meaning of homophobia. It applies to people who is against homosexual marriage 100% of the time. That by definition is homophobic. I'd rethink your position on that, because it's wrong. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] 'im an angsty teen against labels!!!'
[QUOTE=Rusty100;28724894]What's wrong with the label if it's accurate? Look at the meaning of homophobia. It applies to people who is against homosexual marriage 100% of the time. That by definition is homophobic. I'd rethink your position on that, because it's wrong.[/QUOTE] I didn't realise it was a misnomer. I'm still against labeling for sharing similar thoughts, but in this case I guess it's fair enough
You shouldn't be against the labeling of people for sharing anti-homosexual thoughts. Anything even remotely anti-homosexual should be eradicated from society and deserves any negative stigma and terminology possible.
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28724889] Lets just go with this ok rusty?[/QUOTE] I wasn't being a mediator I was actually arguing against you
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28724977]I wasn't being a mediator I was actually arguing against you[/QUOTE] I accepted your argument and stopped. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;28724942]You shouldn't be against the labeling of people for sharing anti-homosexual thoughts. Anything even remotely anti-homosexual should be eradicated from society and deserves any negative stigma and terminology possible.[/QUOTE] I wasn't clear. I'm against the blind branding I see so often on this site, but in the case of homophobia it's acceptable as "homophobe" is a misnomer. Just becasue you have like thoughts does not mean to are a part of the group. To be clear, I'm not just referring to branding someone as a homophobe in that last sentence.
If you do have "like thoughts" against homosexuality though, you are a homophobe. It's as simple as that.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;28725021]If you do have "like thoughts" against homosexuality though, you are a homophobe. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE] Yes, and I agree now that I know the true definition of homophobia. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] I used to think of it as literally a fear but now I think of it as being similar to racism
marriage (between a hetrosexual couple) is going out of fashion in the western world. honestly, i don't see the big deal about marriage so as long as gay couples get every right, from legal to social, in a de facto relationship. can someone explain to me why it matters so much?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28725053]marriage (between a hetrosexual couple) is going out of fashion in the western world. honestly, i don't see the big deal about marriage so as long as gay couples get every right, from legal to social, in a de facto relationship. can someone explain to me why it matters so much?[/QUOTE] I guess it's a symbol
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28725066]I guess it's a symbol[/QUOTE] the symbol is getting increasingly meaningless as time goes on, so why bother? save the money thats required to lobby government and focus on other inequities.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28725053] can someone explain to me why it matters so much?[/QUOTE] religion
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