• ‘Men’s rights’ group defends posters claiming women lie about rape
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[QUOTE=Vodkavia;41422492]I don't think they're saying taking advantage of drunk women is okay, in situation where a drunk woman has sex as a result of her drunken state who's to say the man isn't drunk too?[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying. I wasn't saying they were justifying taking advantage of women, and they are definitely not saying it's okay. They're arguing that two individuals can be similarly intoxicated, and have sex, and the next day, either due to regret or shame or whatever the case may be, there are instances where the woman claims rape even though she did consent and the man had no malicious intent during the sex and was probably just as drunk. Like I said though, that hardly ever happens, and most women who claim rape, have actually been raped, by a man who did have malicious intent, and who was in a much clearer state of mind than the woman, who he probably aimed to get as drunk as possible. In that case, it is rape. If both the woman and the man are similarly drunk and consent, it isn't rape. If one of the individuals involved (or group in some cases) are in a clear state of mind, and the other is in a heavily intoxicated state of mind, that is more often the case for real rape cases, which happen much more often than the "woman who cried rape" horror stories that, although they do happen, and they do scare us men because any one of us could be a victim of false rape accusations, hardly ever happen in reference to how often real rape occur.
[I]Strawman argument: The poster.[/I] These particular cases of rape accusations are pretty goddamn rare, it's not like some social epidemic. Prosecutions are done on a case by case basis based on the circumstances.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41422506]no im pretty sure its implying a lot of rape stems from women regretting it after a one night stand[/QUOTE] It's claiming that this does happen, and that it's a bad thing. It may not be very often, and that's why the posters are not that necessary, but these things do happen, and they are bad, no matter how uncommonly they occur. [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;41422534][I]Strawman argument: The poster.[/I] These particular cases of rape accusations are pretty goddamn rare, it's not like some social epidemic. Prosecutions are done on a case by case basis based on the circumstances.[/QUOTE] And that's why the posters are bad; not because they are wrong, because they aren't, but because they attack a problem that just doesn't exist on a large scale in any sense of the phrase.
[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;41422483]speaking the truth you think he could just be sitting here listening to sonic youth?[/QUOTE] huh? [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Aspen;41422488]i don't listen to folk music[/QUOTE] sonic youth is folk?
[QUOTE=Laputa;41422437][I]Mens[/I] rights group? What is this fuckery[/QUOTE] i envy your innocence
There's laws in first world nations that pigeon hole a man into being responsible for the death or rape of a woman if the circumstances appear to indicate, even if he is completely innocent. I don't think people have a strong grasp on how ludicrous and utterly evil/insane this is. Teach men not to rape is as ignorant and offensive as teach women not be sluts. Rape is bad, false accusations are bad. I can't believe people are over complicating this, we're all on the same god damn team. Holy shit.
[QUOTE=thisispain;41422573] sonic youth is folk?[/QUOTE] no
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422586]Teach men not to rape is as ignorant and offensive as teach women not be sluts. [/QUOTE] what
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422586]There's laws in first world nations that pigeon hole a man into being responsible for the death or rape of a woman if the circumstances appear to indicate, even if he is completely innocent. I don't think people have a strong grasp on how ludicrous and utterly evil/insane this is. Teach men not to rape is as ignorant and offensive as teach women not be sluts. Rape is bad, false accusations are bad. I can't believe people are over complicating this, we're all on the same god damn team. Holy shit.[/QUOTE] dude
Having sex should be a "social contract". If you wanna have sex with someone, you need to get some papers in order, they should sign those papers and get down to action, consensually. While you're at it, they should also give you a medical test paper stating they don't have any STDs. A social contract is an answer to a demand, written in paper, agreed by both parties. Incoming 2014, year of the virgins, cmon now...
Friend o mine went to a club, hooked up with a tipsy chick.. Girl comes home late because they've been at it all night, girl is still young so parents freak the fuck out. She claimed she was drunk as hell and was raped by the dude. Good thing she admitted she lied after my mate cried his eyes out infront of her parents. But yeah, some chicks know they are ~weak and dominated by males~ and DO take advantage of this.. fuck man.. there's some batshit crazy bitches out there.
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422586]There's laws in first world nations that pigeon hole a man into being responsible for the death or rape of a woman if the circumstances appear to indicate, even if he is completely innocent. I don't think people have a strong grasp on how ludicrous and utterly evil/insane this is. Teach men not to rape is as ignorant and offensive as teach women not be sluts. Rape is bad, false accusations are bad. I can't believe people are over complicating this, we're all on the same god damn team. Holy shit.[/QUOTE] and you're oversimplifying it by saying it's simply 'teach men not to rape', the problem is the idiotic culture that developed that goes against women such as not knowing what consent is nor not knowing that rape is never okay: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF6-xiyCYAAwAUY.jpg:large[/IMG] the problem is the poster is not that it says 'dont lie about rape', it's the implication that tons of women lie about being raped during a party because they regret it, and has people being grossly misinformed about the situation at hand while discouraging potential victims from reporting rape because of the rape blaming / slut shaming culture even the damn group brings up bullshit idiocy that false rape accusation rate is in the same league of actual rape reports even though everyone in that article of legitimate authority is saying it's absolute shit
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422627]Having sex should be a "social contract". If you wanna have sex with someone, you need to get some papers in order, they should sign those papers and get down to action, consensually. While you're at it, they should also give you a medical test paper stating they don't have any STDs. A social contract is an answer to a demand, written in paper, agreed by both parties. Incoming 2014, year of the virgins, cmon now...[/QUOTE] dude i want to believe this post is satirical but you're being serious
[QUOTE=Aspen;41422644]dude[/QUOTE] Dude, what? There's no other way to definitely state that a sexual interaction was consensual and legit. Men will say anything, women will disagree and sue men's asses in court for rape. Got any other solutions?
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41422607]what[/QUOTE] I don't see the confusion. You shouldn't have to be told to move a pram out of oncoming traffic. If I told you not to shoot up a school over and over implying you're secretly at the core of your character a sociopath, inherently sadistic and remorseless, it would be stupid and baseless wouldn't it?
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422661]Dude, what? There's no other way to definitely state that a sexual interaction was consensual and legit. Men will say anything, women will disagree and sue men's asses in court for rape. Got any other solutions?[/QUOTE] i don't mean to sound like a total twat but do you know how sex works? you can't just sit up and get some papers from your bedside table and go 'here sign this so i can JAM THAT DICK UP IN YOUR FINE ASS' that's not how it works bro
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422661]Dude, what? There's no other way to definitely state that a sexual interaction was consensual and legit. Men will say anything, women will disagree and sue men's asses in court for rape. Got any other solutions?[/QUOTE] what if people stopped being assholes and stopped raping each other or claiming to be raped when they weren't
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422661]Dude, what? There's no other way to definitely state that a sexual interaction was consensual and legit. Men will say anything, women will disagree and sue men's asses in court for rape. Got any other solutions?[/QUOTE] Better education on these kind of things? My parents where always too shy about this subject (for obvious reasons). And the only thing my school ever told me was that if I rammed my dick in a vagina and jizz u get babies and that some people carry stds. Propper education.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41422643]and you're oversimplifying it by saying it's simply 'teach men not to rape', the problem is the idiotic culture that developed that goes against women such as not knowing what consent is nor not knowing that rape is never okay: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF6-xiyCYAAwAUY.jpg:large[/IMG] the problem is the poster is not that it says 'dont lie about rape', it's the implication that tons of women lie about being raped during a party because they regret it, and has people being grossly misinformed about the situation at hand while discouraging potential victims from reporting rape because of the rape blaming / slut shaming culture even the damn group brings up bullshit idiocy that false rape accusation rate is in the same league of actual rape reports even though everyone in that article of legitimate authority is saying it's absolute shit[/QUOTE] A poll of high school students. I suppose it would be shocking if I did a survey in the Westboro church on how many people think gays should be able to marry.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;41422674]what if people stopped being assholes and stopped raping each other or claiming to be raped when they weren't[/QUOTE] i think its more realistic for people to start carrying out some sex consent forms
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422685]A poll of high school students. I suppose it would be shocking if I did a survey in the Westboro church on how many people think gays should be able to marry.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.uic.edu/depts/owa/sa_rape_support.html[/url] okay, here buddy!!!
[QUOTE=Loriborn;41422687]i think its more realistic for people to start carrying out some sex consent forms[/QUOTE] but what if you get drunk and sign the form!!!! ohhhh nooooo [editline]e[/editline] the concept of sexual consent forms is really funny
[QUOTE=Loriborn;41422687]i think its more realistic for people to start carrying out some sex consent forms[/QUOTE] but how is fp gonna pretend to have gotten laid [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] more specifically, aspen
[QUOTE=Doomish;41422705]but what if you get drunk and sign the form!!!! ohhhh nooooo[/QUOTE] it comes packaged with a blood-alcohol testing kit that prints your results on the form
[QUOTE=Take yo;41422708]but how is fp gonna pretend to have gotten laid [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] more specifically, aspen[/QUOTE] aspen is a sexual brontosaurus
[QUOTE=Loriborn;41422717]it comes packaged with a blood-alcohol testing kit that prints your results on the form[/QUOTE] you have to sign it in blood by pricking your thumb, and the paper is made out of a special alloy that absorbs it and then analyzes its blood-alcohol content like a diabetes test strip does with blood sugar you get a big green light with a thumbs up that absolutely nobody can misinterpret if yes and a disappointing glare if no it's brilliant, we should make a joint patent asap
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422586]There's laws in first world nations that pigeon hole a man into being responsible for the death or rape of a woman if the circumstances appear to indicate, even if he is completely innocent.[/QUOTE] no there arent
[QUOTE=Take yo;41422708]but how is fp gonna pretend to have gotten laid [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] more specifically, aspen[/QUOTE] so witty [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;41422728]aspen is a sexual brontosaurus[/QUOTE] yea
[QUOTE=Captain James;41422670]I don't see the confusion. You shouldn't have to be told to move a pram out of oncoming traffic. If I told you not to shoot up a school over and over implying you're secretly at the core of your character a sociopath, inherently sadistic and remorseless, it would be stupid and baseless wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] except 99% of rapists are male, and they're the source of the problem, soooo as lolwutdude posted, there's a real problem with people misunderstanding consent. if we continue to just ignore that then the current statistic of 1/6 women being the victim of rape is never going to change
[QUOTE=Aspen;41422463]here we go sad neckbeard 'nice guy' MRA's vs members of the feminist movement already arguing welcome to sensationalist headlines god damn i was hoping we can have a logical discussion or something but man was i wrong[/QUOTE] ugh oh my god every time a thread related to MRA or feminism its always people going "hurr durr MRA neckbeard virgins shitting up everything", like everyone has an "us vs. them" mentality or something. irritates me. however i do not support victim blaming or the whole "she deserved it" way of thinking either.
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