• ‘Men’s rights’ group defends posters claiming women lie about rape
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume any article that remotely has anything to do with a specific sex will spark a shitstorm from now on.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41472382]Hahahaha no. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement[/url][/QUOTE] I dont really give a shit about MRA because I dont feel oppressed in any sense, but thats hardly an un-biased article. You could've just linked to the normal wikipedia article on MRA but you purposefully selected one thats going to paint them in a bad light regardless of context. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] waiting on your inevitable passive aggressive dumb rating jeep-eep
[QUOTE=blorgyboy;41470727]I recommend you all listen to some people named Paul Elam and Girlwriteswhat on Youtube. I'm a MGTOW, and actually found the posters comical, but yes a bit iffy in terms of how they're saying what they are saying. Have a good one y'all.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ul-cZyuYq4[/media]
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41474066]I dont really give a shit about MRA because I dont feel oppressed in any sense, but thats hardly an un-biased article. You could've just linked to the normal wikipedia article on MRA but you purposefully selected one thats going to paint them in a bad light regardless of context. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] waiting on your inevitable passive aggressive dumb rating jeep-eep[/QUOTE] the MRA movement is about as legitimate as your bog-standard "rights for whites" group
Or don't put yourself in a situation where you think the girl might consider it rape. Unless you're super comfortable about it and / or know the girl already, I wouldn't mess around if there's heavy drinking involved. If you're actually worried about it record it, sound, video, anything. It's actually justifiable evidence in a court of law.
[QUOTE=Juice_Layer;41477464]Or don't put yourself in a situation where you think the girl might consider it rape. Unless you're super comfortable about it and / or know the girl already, I wouldn't mess around if there's heavy drinking involved. If you're actually worried about it record it, sound, video, anything. It's actually justifiable evidence in a court of law.[/QUOTE] really good advice thanks next time i rape a drunk chick ill be sure to take video of it so the court knows she was down [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] instead of giving advice how to absolve yourself of legal repercussions for raping someone how about just dont rape anyone maybe
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41477477]really good advice thanks next time i rape a drunk chick ill be sure to take video of it so the court knows she was down [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] instead of giving advice how to absolve yourself of legal repercussions for raping someone how about just dont rape anyone maybe[/QUOTE] Well fucking duh don't rape anyone. I'm saying if you're paranoid of her pulling that card on you when it was consensual, you have the option to make some sort of record. People do that sometimes when taking part in dominatrix in case it goes too far (and obviously for going back and watching it). It was just a moderately reasonable suggestion.
"wow youre so wet but before we get started please look into the camera and hold up your drivers license and state for the court your intention to sleep with me"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41477522]"wow youre so wet but before we get started please look into the camera and hold up your drivers license and state for the court your intention to sleep with me"[/QUOTE] What's the point in being an asshole, you're not even contributing.
[QUOTE=Juice_Layer;41477546]What's the point in being an asshole, you're not even contributing.[/QUOTE] that's what you're saying breaks down into. if you intend to rape someone, you're going to sexually assault them. who the fuck is going to think it out like some math issue
[QUOTE=Juice_Layer;41477546]What's the point in being an asshole, you're not even contributing.[/QUOTE] because your advice is completely useless and gives off a vibe as though the real issue with rape is facing the consequences rather than the rape itself
If you get that drunk you're an idiot, and to be honest, with everything going on today, you kind of should expect this shit. They could just, you know, not drink stupid amounts, hm?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41477585]because your advice is completely useless and gives off a vibe as though the real issue with rape is facing the consequences rather than the rape itself[/QUOTE] Okay, well that's not what I'm going for at all. Sorry. Yes, it's very involved and more of a paranoid form of preventing yourself of being accused if it wasn't the case. Disregard it.
[QUOTE=voltlight;41477608]If you get that drunk you're an idiot, and to be honest, with everything going on today, you kind of should expect this shit. They could just, you know, not drink stupid amounts, hm?[/QUOTE] blaming the victim 101, example 1.1
[QUOTE=Juice_Layer;41477615]Okay, well that's not what I'm going for at all. Sorry. Yes, it's very involved and more of a paranoid form of preventing yourself of being accused if it wasn't the case. Disregard it.[/QUOTE] its also very rude to film someone without their consent.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41422534][I]Strawman argument: The poster.[/I] These particular cases of rape accusations are pretty goddamn rare, it's not like some social epidemic. Prosecutions are done on a case by case basis based on the circumstances.[/QUOTE] I've seen at least 4 incidents of this within the past few years it's a decent problem and ruins lives, yo
[QUOTE=voltlight;41477608]If you get that drunk you're an idiot, and to be honest, with everything going on today, you kind of should expect this shit. They could just, you know, not drink stupid amounts, hm?[/QUOTE] the only idiot is the one doing the raping
[QUOTE=Kopimi;41471112]what does this have to do with this thread[/QUOTE] It states that women can be untrustworthy, and that some can nearly ruin a guy's life.
[QUOTE=Secrios;41479503]It states that women can be untrustworthy.[/QUOTE] thanks for this shocking revelation i'm sure this is breaking news to many posters in this thread
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41472382]Hahahaha no. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement[/url][/QUOTE] Check MRA page: Dem MRAs and their silly opinions, tee hee. Check Feminism page: Dose feminists with their silly opinions aren't actually feminists. RationalWiki status: Still trashcan.
[QUOTE=voltlight;41477608]If you get that drunk you're an idiot, and to be honest, with everything going on today, you kind of should expect this shit. They could just, you know, not drink stupid amounts, hm?[/QUOTE] As a 6'5 male I can go out and get absolutely shitfaced, walk home alone for an hour through the worst neighborhoods in my city and get home totally unscathed. Why does a woman not deserve the same sense of security? Rape is sometimes an unavoidable issue, but by and large it has the capacity to exist because there's so many people who are apathetic towards the issue, or are downright apologists. If rape was regarded more seriously on a [I]community level[/I], it wouldn't be possible to get away with it so easily as people who commit the crime would not find safe havens to escape into.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41482809]As a 6'5 male I can go out and get absolutely shitfaced, walk home alone for an hour through the worst neighborhoods in my city and get home totally unscathed. Why does a woman not deserve the same sense of security?[/quote] Because you are 6'5 and most women are some point inbetween 5'2 and 5'9. The world is not a nice place and no matter how much you tell everyone to not be assholes, some people aren't gonna listen, you have to account for these people, still blame them, but account for them. Additionally, you have to consider your circumstance when making decisions, you are more capable of engaging in risky behaviour because your size offers a degree of protection, a woman at a height of 5'2 is never gonna be able to defend herself as well as you, she would have to engage in different tactics and alter her behavior to ensure the same level of security as you. To highlight this is not to take away culpability from the rapist, it's merely acknowledging reality, the thing we live in, and to make rational decisions upon reality. You know what would put a 5'2 qt p2t on the same level as you defense wise though? Concealed carry. [quote]Rape is sometimes an unavoidable issue, but by and large it has the capacity to exist because there's so many people who are apathetic towards the issue, or are downright apologists. If rape was regarded more seriously on a [I]community level[/I], it wouldn't be possible to get away with it so easily as people who commit the crime would not find safe havens to escape into.[/QUOTE] That's not entirely true though, rape is taken extremely seriously, just because someone is assumed innocent until they are sufficiently proven guilty does not mean rape is not taken seriously. You've got to understand that it is technically relatively easy to get away with rape because when there is no serious bodily harm, no drugs present in the system of the victim, no real sign of abduction or no photographic or video evidence of the crime taking place, it's basically he says she says. And the presence of semen alone is not evidence of rape. As far as I am aware, a surprisingly large number of rapes are performed by people the victim knows and trusts, and they occur during a time of vulnerability, feel free to correct me because I am only going off of memory here. If this is true then the real problem would seem to be that knowing when consent was given or when it was not is very hard, and thus it's very hard to convict someone when they have actually committed the crime, and doubt has to be cast on the victim's story as much as the alleged criminal. Which makes it seem like victim blaming or playing down the seriousness of rape, when in fact it is simply following the crucial legal principle of innocent until [i]proven[/i] guilty.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41482809]As a 6'5 male I can go out and get absolutely shitfaced, walk home alone for an hour through the worst neighborhoods in my city and get home totally unscathed. Why does a woman not deserve the same sense of security? Rape is sometimes an unavoidable issue, but by and large it has the capacity to exist because there's so many people who are apathetic towards the issue, or are downright apologists. If rape was regarded more seriously on a [I]community level[/I], it wouldn't be possible to get away with it so easily as people who commit the crime would not find safe havens to escape into.[/QUOTE] Women should get the same sense of security, but this is the real world, and the best a woman can do to avoid getting raped in a case like that would be to drink more responsibly, or not at all, and bring a friend to wherever they go to get shitfaced. A woman could also learn the gun laws of her state (assuming this occurs in the US) and get a concealed carry permit so she may carry a gun with her.
[QUOTE=Riutet;41482760]Check MRA page: Dem MRAs and their silly opinions, tee hee. Check Feminism page: Dose feminists with their silly opinions aren't actually feminists. RationalWiki status: Still trashcan.[/QUOTE] except the MRA movement is inherently retarded and unnecessary
[QUOTE=Cone;41485425]except the MRA movement is inherently retarded and unnecessary[/QUOTE] Couldn't you say the feminist movement is fallacious and absurd?
[QUOTE=KigJow;41485450]Couldn't you say the feminist movement is fallacious and absurd?[/QUOTE] I'm sure that you could cherry pick quotes from very extreme deranged 'feminists' but the fact is that the foundation of feminism is valid, that is establishing equal political, social and economic rights for women in a world where the balance is skewed towards men. Whereas the foundation of men's rights activism is wrong — statistically society favours men in almost all walks of life. Therefore Men's rights activism is a bunch of scared, bitter men trying to maintain a societal inequality. You can't say "oh there are complete mentals on both sides man, don't judge" when the foundation and ideology at the very basest level of men's rights activism is completely wrong.
[QUOTE=KigJow;41485450]Couldn't you say the feminist movement is fallacious and absurd?[/QUOTE] No. Unlike MRA, Feminism occupies an important space in academia.
Record all sex for proof that it was consentual. Get sued for recording sex.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41485510]I'm sure that you could cherry pick quotes from very extreme deranged 'feminists' but the fact is that the foundation of feminism is valid, that is establishing equal political, social and economic rights for women in a world where the balance is skewed towards men. Whereas the foundation of men's rights activism is wrong — statistically society favours men in almost all walks of life. Therefore Men's rights activism is a bunch of scared, bitter men trying to maintain a societal inequality. You can't say "oh there are complete mentals on both sides man, don't judge" when the foundation and ideology at the very basest level of men's rights activism is completely wrong.[/QUOTE] How could one fight for equality when only focusing on one group? Why not fight for rights for humans, and not solely human females?
[QUOTE=Cone;41485425]except the MRA movement is inherently retarded and unnecessary[/QUOTE] I said I ~probably~ wouldn't post again, but this is totally ridiculous. Everybody deserves a voice. "the patriarchy" is just a label to a societal ideal, which hurts both men AND women. Saying that someone shouldn't have a voice is simply inexcusable. EVERYONE deserves the right to stand up for themselves.
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