• ‘Men’s rights’ group defends posters claiming women lie about rape
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[QUOTE=Take yo;41422708] more specifically, aspen[/QUOTE] no-one cares about aspen even if he ejaculates on things for attention
[QUOTE=thisispain;41422768]no-one cares about aspen even if he ejaculates on things for attention[/QUOTE] thank you someone finally fucking said it
[QUOTE=Aspen;41422673]i don't mean to sound like a total twat but do you know how sex works? you can't just sit up and get some papers from your bedside table and go 'here sign this so i can JAM THAT DICK UP IN YOUR FINE ASS' that's not how it works bro[/QUOTE] You almost made me laugh bro... [QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422627]Having sex should be a "social contract" ..... A social contract is an answer to a demand, written in paper, agreed by both parties.[/QUOTE] Please digest this for a second. If, say, in the future, the rape criminality percent will rise abnormally, the "logical" result (in society) would be releasing some kind of law (either penal or social), since society is governed by laws. [QUOTE=arthuro12;41422675]Better education on these kind of things? [...][/QUOTE] Proper education is a dying situational variable...
[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;41422775] Proper education is a dieing situational variable...[/QUOTE] dying
[QUOTE=Aspen;41422771]thank you someone finally fucking said it[/QUOTE] thats p weird bro
i can see why people think that poster is wrong, but i still don't think it's rape in a situation where two drunk people (BOTH are drunk) consent to sex, and the women regrets it afterwards. it's one thing for a sober man to take advantage of a drunk woman, but i think it's fair to say that if both the man and women are drunk and both consent while drunk and both have sex while drunk, that, even if the woman regrets it, it's still not rape
[QUOTE=Take yo;41422787]thats p weird bro[/QUOTE] yea but hey i get by
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41422749]except 99% of rapists are male, and they're the source of the problem, soooo as lolwutdude posted, there's a real problem with people misunderstanding consent. if we continue to just ignore that then the current statistic of 1/6 women being the victim of rape is never going to change[/QUOTE] Its not that I disagree with the sentiment that false rape accusations are relatively rare and being overplayed by the MRA groups, but the 1-in-6 rape statistic is complete bullshit and is from some very skewed methodology and very bad wording, the author of the study of which also now concedes that she should've been more careful with her wording in some of the survey questioning: [url]http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html[/url] The commonly cited Koss study is ridiculous and manipulative. Not that you're actually going to read that anyway.
[QUOTE=zzzz;41422790]i can see why people think that poster is wrong, but i still don't think it's rape in a situation where two drunk people (BOTH are drunk) consent to sex, and the women regrets it afterwards. it's one thing for a sober man to take advantage of a drunk woman, but i think it's fair to say that if both the man and women are drunk and both consent while drunk and both have sex while drunk, that, even if the woman regrets it, it's still not rape[/QUOTE] yes this is true and what most people (including the spokesman of the sign) has said as well
[QUOTE=Loriborn;41422820]yes this is true and what most people (including the spokesman of the sign) has said as well[/QUOTE] the only problem is that it's very difficult to prove whether or not both parties were drunk and whether both parties consented, making it very easy for both false accusations to be believed and real accusations to be denied
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41422643]and you're oversimplifying it by saying it's simply 'teach men not to rape', the problem is the idiotic culture that developed that goes against women such as not knowing what consent is nor not knowing that rape is never okay: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF6-xiyCYAAwAUY.jpg:large[/IMG] the problem is the poster is not that it says 'dont lie about rape', it's the implication that tons of women lie about being raped during a party because they regret it, and has people being grossly misinformed about the situation at hand while discouraging potential victims from reporting rape because of the rape blaming / slut shaming culture even the damn group brings up bullshit idiocy that false rape accusation rate is in the same league of actual rape reports even though everyone in that article of legitimate authority is saying it's absolute shit[/QUOTE] How the fuck do 42% of girls think it's ok if she got him turned on? I'd hardly call that an idiotic culture, all it shows is where the problem originates from, no-one has any clue what they're doing. You can even see it in these kind of debates when grown men and women hardly have a basic understanding of what consent is. Don't try and change shit with petty arguments and harping on about the ambiguous examples, educate people at a base level and teach it in sex ed at school.
Women falsely accusing men of rape is probably as common and as likely to imprison an innocent person as any other false accusation. MRA's talk about it more because it is another way they can conjure men being oppressed out of thin air and then pretend to be victims of something.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;41422607]what[/QUOTE] He is implying that men are the ones told not to be rapists, even though both genders can be potentially. for funny ratings: HE IS THE ONE THAT THINKS THAT im just explaining
[QUOTE=Devodiere;41422838]How the fuck do 42% of girls think it's ok if she got him turned on? I'd hardly call that an idiotic culture, all it shows is where the problem originates from, no-one has any clue what they're doing. You can even see it in these kind of debates when grown men and women hardly have a basic understanding of what consent is. Don't try and change shit with petty arguments and harping on about the ambiguous examples, educate people at a base level and teach it in sex ed at school.[/QUOTE] It is a combination of lack of education and rape forgiving culture. If our culture was not patriarchal, even the least educated people would not be wired to find ways to justify rape.
[QUOTE=person11;41422842]Women falsely accusing men of rape is probably as common and as likely to imprison an innocent person as any other false accusation. MRA's talk about it more because it is another way they can conjure men being oppressed out of thin air and then pretend to be victims of something.[/QUOTE] it's also more likely to be talked about because it appears in the news more often, and it appears in the news more often because it's out of the ordinary. the more out of the ordinary a story, the more interesting, and the more likely a news article is written about it. thus, the once in a blue moon occurrences of men being falsely accused of rape make great articles from the perspective of a news writer
[QUOTE=Doomish;41422485]i mean the poster's not wrong lying about being raped is a shitty thing to do, current events are especially evident of that going for the drunk angle was probably a bad decision on the poster creators' part though[/QUOTE] Its like 1 of the major arguments MRAs make though. The entire thing including the drunk part.
[QUOTE=zzzz;41422790]i can see why people think that poster is wrong, but i still don't think it's rape in a situation where two drunk people (BOTH are drunk) consent to sex, and the women regrets it afterwards. it's one thing for a sober man to take advantage of a drunk woman, but i think it's fair to say that if both the man and women are drunk and both consent while drunk and both have sex while drunk, that, even if the woman regrets it, it's still not rape[/QUOTE] I think the big question here is: who was raping who? Why aren't we digging deeper into this phenomenon? How many pairs of people have been raped by [i]each other[/i]?
[QUOTE=person11;41422852]It is a combination of lack of education and rape forgiving culture. If our culture was not patriarchal, even the least educated people would not be wired to find ways to justify rape.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure we'd still be humans and justify our heinous crimes of being unable to control our desires regardless of which gender was favored by society.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;41422845]He is implying that men are the ones told not to be rapists, even though both genders can be potentially.[/QUOTE] I still find the "anyone can be a rapist" argument to be hilarious. It's kinda hard not to link rape to men, no matter what you say. Most rapists are men, and rape is an issue involving a deep problem with how we treat gender in society. Rape is built into our society as a mechanism for the oppression of women, and saying that women can rape too moves the subject away from men's aggressions and sexism.
[QUOTE=zzzz;41422834]the only problem is that it's very difficult to prove whether or not both parties were drunk and whether both parties consented, making it very easy for both false accusations to be believed and real accusations to be denied[/QUOTE] It comes down to Hearsay which in many cases leans in the women's favor. This leads to an innocent person being convicted. It can also lead to the rapist getting off . Its a problem that we don't have the ability to solve.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41422878]It comes down to Hearsay which in many cases leans in the women's favor.[/QUOTE] are you a lawyer
[QUOTE=Dori;41422887]are you a lawyer[/QUOTE] god i hope not
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;41422643]and you're oversimplifying it by saying it's simply 'teach men not to rape', the problem is the idiotic culture that developed that goes against women such as not knowing what consent is nor not knowing that rape is never okay: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF6-xiyCYAAwAUY.jpg:large[/IMG] the problem is the poster is not that it says 'dont lie about rape', it's the implication that tons of women lie about being raped during a party because they regret it, and has people being grossly misinformed about the situation at hand while discouraging potential victims from reporting rape because of the rape blaming / slut shaming culture even the damn group brings up bullshit idiocy that false rape accusation rate is in the same league of actual rape reports even though everyone in that article of legitimate authority is saying it's absolute shit[/QUOTE] From the website cited there: " [B]However, the data in the picture that has been circulating has been misrepresented.[/B] The original study did not ask "Yes" or "No", but asked subjects on a five point scale. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find out specifically what each point was, other then at the two extremes were "Yes" and "No". For more information, see the infograph/chart below. - See more at: http://www.fearus.org/#sthash.6irCyN5Y.S4xV8zHs.dpuf" Also this is a survey of 400 or so students in los angeles in [B]1978[/B], aged 14-18.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;41422875]Pretty sure we'd still be humans and justify our heinous crimes of being unable to control our desires regardless of which gender was favored by society.[/QUOTE] Possibly. My point is that, as far as violent crimes go, rape is unusual for being used in jokes and being implicitly justified so much. The fact it is implicitly forgiven in our society, and the fact that men are the rapists in our society, show a deep misogyny in the way society is structured.
Again this is an example of something taken out of context can be very manipulative. my automerge :(
so far what i gathered is that the MRA can only get laid when a girl is piss drunk (not a joke, i don't follow any MRA news)
[QUOTE=person11;41422852]It is a combination of lack of education and rape forgiving culture. If our culture was not patriarchal, even the least educated people would not be wired to find ways to justify rape.[/QUOTE] This is what I really hate about people throwing around the word patriarchy so much. You attribute everything to a cultural phenomenon including things that are obviously just human nature. Everyone will try to justify their actions and rape exists outside of your definition of a tool of oppression, ducks rape each other more than humans for fucks sake. If you're going to stretch the definition so broadly and attribute everything possible to it you might as well be talking about the Illuminati. Be practical, break things down into actual problems rather than imagining great conspiracies, and have the slightest understanding of the difference between nature and nurture.
[QUOTE=person11;41422901]Possibly. My point is that, as far as violent crimes go, rape is unusual for being used in jokes and being implicitly justified so much. [B]The fact it is implicitly forgiven in our society[/B], and the fact that men are the rapists in our society, show a deep misogyny in the way society is structured.[/QUOTE] What
[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41422919]What[/QUOTE] look up steubenville rape [editline]12th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;41422915]This is what I really hate about people throwing around the word patriarchy so much. You attribute everything to a cultural phenomenon including things that are obviously just human nature. Everyone will try to justify their actions and rape exists outside of your definition of a tool of oppression, ducks rape each other more than humans for fucks sake. If you're going to stretch the definition so broadly and attribute everything possible to it you might as well be talking about the Illuminati. Be practical, break things down into actual problems rather than imagining great conspiracies, and have the slightest understanding of the difference between nature and nurture.[/QUOTE] you cant see the irony in telling someone to be practical then taking the absurd limit of what someone says to dismiss someone? and throwing the concept of "human nature" is a very silly appeal to nature. can you prove its human nature in any way?
[QUOTE=person11;41422877]I still find the "anyone can be a rapist" argument to be hilarious. It's kinda hard not to link rape to men, no matter what you say.[/QUOTE] so no matter what, men are at fault somehow for all kinds of rape? [QUOTE=person11;41422877] Rape is built into our society as a mechanism for the oppression of women,[/QUOTE] can you explain on this one [QUOTE=person11;41422877] and saying that women can rape too moves the subject away from men's aggressions and sexism.[/QUOTE] what? women can rape too, but that doesn't mean men are forgiven for being rapists.
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