[QUOTE=David29;24190043]He's not missing out. Degrees are worth fuck all at the moment - better to get out there and start work than to waste 3+ years and a fuck load of money for something that won't help you.[/QUOTE]
I do not like this mentality.
It's stupid as hell to say that degrees are worthless and it's fine that he's missing out because "we need more plumbers anyway."
God damnit. If I was going to do physics at uni and someone told me not to bother because degrees aren't useful for making money, I'd tell them to shove their stupid head back up their arsehole. Do you never consider that people do degrees because they want to learn about a subject?
Granted he's doing economics, but I've seen people say it about all kinds of stuff.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;24189977]Thousands upon thousands are denied every year, why does this kid think he's so special?[/QUOTE]
Well he was the top student from his school, that's probably why.
Although admittedly there is no reason for a whole news article on this. Besides he should just wait a year. He'll be fine.
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[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24190174]I do not like this mentality.
It's stupid as hell to say that degrees are worthless and it's fine that he's missing out because "we need more plumbers anyway."
God damnit. If I was going to do physics at uni and someone told me not to bother because degrees aren't useful for making money, I'd tell them to shove their stupid head back up their arsehole. Do you never consider that people do degrees because they want to learn about a subject?
Granted he's doing economics, but I've seen people say it about all kinds of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Degrees don't matter. It's what you learned that matters. A piece of paper doesn't mean anything if you are not representing the effort put into that certificate. So I agree which what you are saying.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24190174]I do not like this mentality.
It's stupid as hell to say that degrees are worthless and it's fine that he's missing out because "we need more plumbers anyway."
God damnit. If I was going to do physics at uni and someone told me not to bother because degrees aren't useful for making money, I'd tell them to shove their stupid head back up their arsehole. Do you never consider that people do degrees because they want to learn about a subject?
Granted he's doing economics, but I've seen people say it about all kinds of stuff.[/QUOTE]
I'm 21. I finished my degree in Computer Science in June. I am unemployed and am on the dole and no-one will take me on because I don't have any experience. My situation is proving very contrary to what you have said.
Ok, I admit, my frustration is breeding an amount of over-cynicism, but all my friends are/have been in the exact same position and they all agree it is shit. I even saw an article in the newspaper about how many students are basically saying the same thing as me.
Besides, I'm not saying he should be a plumber. I'm saying that at the moment work experience > education.
[QUOTE=David29;24190391]I'm 21. I finished my degree in Computer Science in June. I am unemployed and am on the dole and no-one will take me on because I don't have any experience. My situation is proving very contrary to what you have said.
Ok, I admit, my frustration is breeding an amount of over-cynicism, but all my friends are/have been in the exact same position and they all agree it is shit. I even saw an article in the newspaper about how many students are basically saying the same thing as me.
Besides, I'm not saying he should be a plumber. I'm saying that at the moment work experience > education.[/QUOTE]
I can see why you'd think this. But look at it another way - you wouldn't have the faintest hope of getting a job in software development/IT if you hadn't done the degree. The degree alone doesn't help you get the job, but without it you are totally without a chance.
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I thought universities provided some kind of work experience anyway, stuff like the year in industry etc.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24190505]I thought universities provided some kind of work experience anyway, stuff like the year in industry etc.[/QUOTE]
I was meant to take a year out in industry. While to an extent the university does give support, you still have to go out and find someone who will take you on on your own. I tried and found all the places to be full.
[QUOTE=David29;24190888]I was meant to take a year out in industry. While to an extent the university does give support, you still have to go out and find someone who will take you on on your own. I tried and found all the places to be full.[/QUOTE]
Damn. That sucks dick.
Why is this news? People get turned away for all sorts of shit the uni probably filled up so they had to turn away people and he was part of the unlucky bunch, shit considering most of those are the god tier of uni they're going to fill up fast.
[QUOTE=David29;24190391]I'm 21. I finished my degree in Computer Science in June. I am unemployed and am on the dole and no-one will take me on because I don't have any experience. My situation is proving very contrary to what you have said.
Ok, I admit, my frustration is breeding an amount of over-cynicism, but all my friends are/have been in the exact same position and they all agree it is shit. I even saw an article in the newspaper about how many students are basically saying the same thing as me.
Besides, I'm not saying he should be a plumber. I'm saying that at the moment work experience > education.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe that's because you have a degree in Computer Science as opposed to something that'll make you.. You know, EMPLOYABLE.
[QUOTE=gparent;24187827]After all this publicity he'll probably get a spot somewhere.[/QUOTE]
i was also thinking that was kind of his intention with this tbh ( not that i blame him ) from personal experience i can say university is highly overated depending on what you wish to study i feel i would have been better off not coming to uni but im stuck starting my 2nd year now.
also i feel bad for the guy but he should have applied for other places abroad, the UK is suffering in the uni department lately.
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24191783]Or maybe that's because you have a degree in Computer Science as opposed to something that'll make you.. You know, EMPLOYABLE.[/QUOTE]
Because knowledge of not only how to use computers, but also how to program and develop software for them, is of completely undesirable to employers in this day and age. :downs:
Hell, you don't even know what the course entails. Troll elsewhere.
[QUOTE=David29;24190888]I was meant to take a year out in industry. While to an extent the university does give support, you still have to go out and find someone who will take you on on your own. I tried and found all the places to be full.[/QUOTE]
it's too late now, but that's why you go to a college that has a co-op program. also, computer science is more of a research field than anything else. something like software engineering may have been a better choice.
Edit: Also, did the kid actually do anything other than have high grades? Did he do anything that was remotely interesting is his free time?
[QUOTE=Foda;24192227]it's too late now, but that's why you go to a college that has a co-op program. also, computer science is more of a research field than anything else. something like software engineering may have been a better choice.[/QUOTE]
Software Engineering was one of my modules.
Edit: Computer Science is actually a very broad field.
Straight A students are mostly all dumb anyway.
They're only good at memorizing and cramming useless shit into their skull.
Schools are absolutely horrible measures of one's intelligence or capability.
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[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24191783]Or maybe that's because you have a degree in Computer Science as opposed to something that'll make you.. You know, EMPLOYABLE.[/QUOTE]
Are you a liberal arts major or something?
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Or an MBA?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24192980]Straight A students are mostly all dumb anyway.[/QUOTE]
:saddowns:
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24192980]Straight A students are mostly all dumb anyway.
They're only good at memorizing and cramming useless shit into their skull.[/QUOTE]
cheers
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I'm really not sure how to respond to this.
To be fair, look at his subjects
3 maths. This is good
Physics, Chem and German - Not so Good for economics.
Others probably had more related subjects
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24193161]cheers
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I'm really not sure how to respond to this.[/QUOTE]
Don't take it to heart. He's probably just done crap and is jealous.
[QUOTE=David29;24190391]Besides, I'm not saying he should be a plumber.[/QUOTE]
Plumbing can get you a nice pay packet.
[QUOTE=David29;24193233]Don't take it to heart. He's probably just done crap and is jealous.[/QUOTE]
I got straight Bs pretty much but I didn't try. I rarely spent more than 10 minutes on homework if at all.
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Because I was doing important shit like teaching myself programming.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24192980]Straight A students are mostly all dumb anyway.
They're only good at memorizing and cramming useless shit into their skull.
Schools are absolutely horrible measures of one's intelligence or capability.[/QUOTE]
Both of these points are very good (although dumb is too strong a word). I've met loads of people throughout school, who whilst "knowing" alot about what they're doing and are capable of getting straight As, they've no idea on how the world works, have poor general knowledge and aren't actually eager to learn; just pass their course.
School needs to go back to basics and teach kids to ask questions and have an interest in what goes on around them from a young age.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24193289]I got straight Bs pretty much but I didn't try. I rarely spent more than 10 minutes on homework if at all.
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Because I was doing important shit like teaching myself programming.[/QUOTE]
Dude, I dunno about you, but I think doing well in maths and physics would be "important shit" if you wanted to do a degree in physics.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24193365]Dude, I dunno about you, but I think doing well in maths and physics would be "important shit" if you wanted to do a degree in physics.[/QUOTE]
The way math is taught in school (at least where I went to school) is they give you an assload of problems to do and none of them have any real meaning.
When I get 50 problems to do every night, if I get stuck on one I don't care because I've got 49 other problems to do. I can't take all night dwelling on one stupid problem. So I ended up just skipping all the hard stuff and doing what was easy. What they need to do is give you one big problem and then give you a week or two to hammer out a solution.
In the real world, you won't just sit there and do pointless exercises. You'll have one big problem to do. A problem like "Determine how high a model rocket will go with given constraints" is more useful than something like "Find the derivative of x^2+4/x^4-x^3+1)
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24193564]The way math is taught in school (at least where I went to school) is they give you an assload of problems to do and none of them have any real meaning.
When I get 50 problems to do every night, if I get stuck on one I don't care because I've got 49 other problems to do. I can't take all night dwelling on one stupid problem. What they need to do is give you one big problem and then give you a week or two to hammer out a solution.
In the real world, you won't just sit there and do pointless exercises. You'll have one big problem to do. A problem like "Determine how high a model rocket will go with given constraints" is more useful than something like "Find the derivative of x^2+4/x^4-x^3+1)[/QUOTE]
You need to learn the basics before you do anything else though. Doing a million bajillion questions on differentiating is tedious, but eventually you're able to do it more quickly.
I do agree, though. I think the second question would be more interesting, and where I go, we do get a lot of those questions, especially in mechanics.
[QUOTE=David29;24190391]I'm 21. I finished my degree in Computer Science in June. I am unemployed and am on the dole and no-one will take me on because I don't have any experience. My situation is proving very contrary to what you have said.
Besides, I'm not saying he should be a plumber. I'm saying that at the moment work experience > education.[/QUOTE]
being a graduate at the moment is not a great place to be, especially without work experience. in this 'economic climate' (sorry!) being in education earning your degree is possibly one of the best places to be; by the time you graduate hopefully more places will be recruiting instead of cutting jobs. and if you can do a sandwich course which gets you on a placement year then even better.
if you are able to get a job in the field you want then that probably is a better choice, but i think a lot of people will struggle to do that, so education is probably a better option.
[QUOTE=ZapDing;24187740]:irony:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nerts;24187810]Just bad luck, and a year out can be good for you, helped me get shit in perspective.[/QUOTE]
If I can't get a University spot when I apply in 2012, I'm gonna take a gap year and get a job.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24192980]Straight A students are mostly all dumb anyway.
They're only good at memorizing and cramming useless shit into their skull.
Schools are absolutely horrible measures of one's intelligence or capability.[/QUOTE]
It's true. I had a 98 average and I'm a fucking retard.
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[QUOTE=CoolCorky;24194411]If I can't get a University spot when I apply in 2012, I'm gonna take a gap year and get a job.[/QUOTE]
Everyone should take a year break to just fuck around and save money. People are too concerned with the future these days, just have some god damned fun once in a while. If you jump directly from high school to post-secondary to a career you're going to burn out and show up at work with a shotgun.
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