• Microsoft is bringing back the Start Menu as you loved
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[QUOTE=ZyreHD;44430694][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/g8565QS.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Okay, I [i]really[/i] like how that looks.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44430807]Ha, "All Apps". My computer has "programs", Microsoft. Apps are for phones.[/QUOTE] except "apps" is short for "applications", which is more or less a synonym of "program". hell, I'm pretty sure Mac calls their programs "apps" out of all the things you could be complaining about on Windows 8, the renaming to "apps" is very very minor IMO.
It's cool that they're addressing complaints from Windows 8, but for the release of Windows 9 I hope they'll update their general desktop environment to look more modern. Right now it's still almost the same as it was with Windows 7. This mockup is (in my opinion) a nice concept of what more modern (and Metro oriented) UI could look like. [t]http://d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/108394/screenshots/576250/attachments/44311/windows_ui_concept_full.png[/t]
Took them two years to realize the metro UI was a piece of shit that was meant of touch screens and was way too inefficient for a mouse.
Still don't like it, and programs being called apps. They are clearly not the same thing.
It looks just like those mockups some dude posted on Neowin a long time ago. [t]http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/hli5nsfsfsdfd.jpg[/t] I'm definitely looking forward to windowed metro apps, though. The weather app is really good but having it take up my entire screen isn't so great, and screen snapping is the worst fucking thing.
[QUOTE=spectator1;44432350]Still don't like it, and programs being called apps. They are clearly not the same thing.[/QUOTE] That's because you've been brainwashed by Apple. Apps do mean applications, and in the end there's no difference between an application, and a program. Not by most definitions anyway.
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;44431722]I'm a Windows 8 user, but to play devil's advocate, that's exactly the kind of thing that's annoying about Windows 8, that everything is hidden and unintuitive. I'm a power user, so I had read a lot articles about Windows 8 when it came out, so I knew how to do everything, but it was still an annoying learning curve.[/QUOTE] That's not a particularly great point against it however. Not everything is "hidden and unintuitive". I'll give you that the weird fragmentation between the desktop and Metro UI settings is a massive pain in the ass, and the Metro UI settings in particular hide a lot of things I've needed (networking mostly). But as a power user, that menu being how it is, and where it is, was a lot more useful to me than how the Start Menu used to work. The average user doesn't really need fast access to any of those things on a regular basis, therefore it should not be taking up screen real estate on the Start Menu when you could be showing things the user actually wants. Power users are going to find and use these things no matter what, at least this compromise was still quick to use.
[QUOTE=Jays2Kings;44431834]While the idea of desktop lists and tiles is kinda cool, it's pointless if that tile isn't a live tiles, like the small tiles have the same amount of use (or less if that program has a jump list) as the regular entry. [/QUOTE] They're live tiles. The news app in that first picture is live.
[QUOTE=aydin690;44432030]Took them two years to realize the metro UI was a piece of shit that was meant of touch screens and was way too inefficient for a mouse.[/QUOTE] It's really not that inefficient for a mouse at all. Even if you've got shit motor control.
[QUOTE=lavacano;44430951]So does this mean the hate brigade has to stop whining when they haven't actually used the operating system now? Or are they just going to get even more childish and declare "I HATE WINDOWS 8 BECAUSE IT SUCKS"?[/QUOTE] Unlike the fanboys who constantly whine about the W8 h8ers
[QUOTE=Satane;44432086]I don't like the terrible use of space that comes with metro.[/QUOTE] It, by and large, doesn't waste much space compared to any other Windows UI. The Metro UI itself might be big and stuff, but that's more down to the developer. Besides, tight, cluttered UIs are very counter-productive, displaying important information in clear ways is much much more important to usability than hundreds of buttons and bits of text that aren't going to be used regularly enough. A decent solution to the whole "well maybe I do use those buttons a lot" thing is to program your UI to move things around based on usage. But that would involve effort, and programmers can be lazy assholes when we feel like it.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;44431138]These are good points to make, but the thing is, if a company is doing something ONLY to rid bad PR because of horrible things they did, they do NOT deserve another chance. They are NOT doing it to be better, they're doing it for the money. And the only way to make the world a better place when it comes to these companies, is to vote with your wallet.[/QUOTE] You mean I shouldn't reward a company for having actually done what I wanted? "I shouldn't give a treat to my dog even though it actually sat when I ordered him to because it obviously just wants the treat." If you give the dog the treat he'll keep sitting when ordered, regardless of the dog's actual intentions for sitting. We already voted with our wallets by not getting Win8 without start and that has had it's effect, there's no need to hold the treat away anymore until the next time they don't sit.
Actually the hybrid start menu looks pretty good. And windowed metro apps? Yes please. I lost interest in Windows when 8 came round, but I can't wait for 9.
Finally the hate bandwagon is put to the test, I wonder if it will persist somehow.
now that I think of it it an interface made entirely of start menus sounds like a good idea Microsoft should hire me
I don't mind Metro on consumer Windows products, It's just when I have to work with a SBS or 2012 server remotely, it just gets a bit annoying since I'll be doing work on it remotely, means I need to wait for metro to kick in and wait for GoToAssist to catch up since it has restream that frame. I just find it completely unnecessary for a server product to have a completely full-screen start menu.
I honestly love the look of it, they shouldn't need to make it look like the windows 7 one, so I like tthey moved away from that Idk why you're all complaining
[QUOTE=ZyreHD;44430694][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/g8565QS.png[/IMG] Source: Microsoft Build 2014 [url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/2/5574830/windows-9-start-menu-new-desktop-experience[/url] [url]http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/microsoft-teases-a-classic-start-menu-for-windows-8-1-with-built/[/url][/QUOTE] Holy shit finally Now there's no reason for me to not switch to 8. [sp]Yep, that was the whole reason. I can deal with light change, not the removal of something that's been here for a decade+[/sp]
[QUOTE=spectator1;44432350]Still don't like it, and programs being called apps. They are clearly not the same thing.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/b2fbwQ2.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/MFgGCzG.png[/IMG] [URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=define+programs#q=define+especially"]And if you wanna focus on the mobile part[/URL] [QUOTE=latin_geek;44432475]They're live tiles. The news app in that first picture is live.[/QUOTE] I mean the 4 top left tiny tiles. Tiny tiles aren't live.
[QUOTE=spectator1;44432350]Still don't like it, and programs being called apps. They are clearly not the same thing.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/xKKIfyT.png[/img] Really? Cause .exe is the extension for programs and Windows seems to disagree with you on whether it's considered an application or not.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;44431138]These are good points to make, but the thing is, if a company is doing something ONLY to rid bad PR because of horrible things they did, they do NOT deserve another chance. They are NOT doing it to be better, they're doing it for the money. And the only way to make the world a better place when it comes to these companies, is to vote with your wallet.[/QUOTE] EA's giving out Dead Space for free. Does this mean I should hate them just because they're trying to look better to the public even though they've never wronged me individually and I'm entirely okay with anything I've had to deal with from them in the past five years?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;44433222][img]http://i.imgur.com/xKKIfyT.png[/img] Really? Cause .exe is the extension for programs and Windows seems to disagree with you on whether it's considered an application or not.[/QUOTE] Technically, .exe stands for .executable. Thus they are neither program or apps, they are executables. If you guys are going to argue about semantics, at least be correct. Executable = program = application, stop fucking bitching and enjoy this massive improvement to win 8 and hopefully win 9.
I've wanted to see something where the Superbutton brings up a transparent cover pane over whatever your active window is with all the options normally ascribed to both the desktop and the menu/bar system. Something akin to the Steam overlay, but with control functionality. Like. Superbutton. (Overlay pops up) Music. Play this. (In the background) Yes. And then it opens the music player behind my active program and does its thing without me having to break focus. Microsoft, I'm currently unemployed and generally worthless aside from my random good ideas. If you want to pay me to think for you, give me a call. I can also restock the vending machines or whatever. I'm eager to learn new things!
[QUOTE=draugur;44433297]Technically, .exe stands for .executable. Thus they are neither program or apps, they are executables.[/quote] So let me get this right. Right here you say that an exe is neither a program nor an application (both of which are flat out incorrect) but right here: [quote]Executable = program = application[/QUOTE] You say that they are the same thing. Make up your mind.
[QUOTE=draugur;44433297]Executable = program = application[/QUOTE] I can ignore the first part since I personally never mentioned executables (even though executables are just files that run things [like programs]). Yeah you just said programs and apps are the same thing. Good job!
wow that actually looks pretty nice as soon as i see it on consumer PCs i [i]might[/i] think about switching my desktop to it. then again, i've got a perfectly good laptop running 8.1 right now, so i'll also be able to give it a test run
[QUOTE=Jund;44431023]Nah son, Classic Shell [IMG]http://puu.sh/7TtCN.png[/IMG] Easy access to folders and without the shitty apps I'll never use Highly customizable too go home microsoft[/QUOTE] couldn't you just add tiles on the start menu to represent the exact same functions as the traditional start menu? you don't have to use the default apps that appear on the start menu. the only difference would be "ew gay metrosexual tile graphics"
[QUOTE=Protocol7;44430925]Apps also comes from "applications", which are defined as "A computer program with an interface, enabling people to use the computer as a tool to accomplish a specific task." It's a stupid thing to sperg out about. I call Chrome, Steam and Photoshop apps because it's easier to say than "program" and means the same thing.[/QUOTE] I call them Progs :downs: [editline]2nd April 2014[/editline] The thing about the start menu is that it might be faster to click a tile but it's way way way easier to remember for me where to click when I'm using a start menu.
[QUOTE=Egonny;44431997]It's cool that they're addressing complaints from Windows 8, but for the release of Windows 9 I hope they'll update their general desktop environment to look more modern. Right now it's still almost the same as it was with Windows 7. This mockup is (in my opinion) a nice concept of what more modern (and Metro oriented) UI could look like. [t]http://d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/108394/screenshots/576250/attachments/44311/windows_ui_concept_full.png[/t][/QUOTE] If you cut the vertical space usage on the top bar place the buttons about 25% closer together, then I would really love the design
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