• Microsoft is bringing back the Start Menu as you loved
    180 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Keitaro;44433500]If you cut the vertical space usage on the top bar place the buttons about 25% closer together, then I would really love the design[/QUOTE] That's my main problem with all the 'modern' designs I see, they make shit twice as big as it used to be for no reason. Makes it look awful and it's a waste of space.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44431482]This is NOT a start menu, it's a crappy static right click context menu. People use the "right click start" argument and it's rubbish.[/QUOTE] and this is a static left click context menu??? [img]http://i.imgur.com/I2npw7G.png[/img] the biggest argument I've seen for bringing back start menus is that these functions vanished, and to that credit, nobody at microsoft thought it would be a good idea to point out the fact that these were still readily accessible beyond having to fumble around through the metro junk for settings. the second biggest argument was that it was full screen for no reason, and that I can agree was silly. The speed and functionality was the same, if not improved (situationally), but with this update a lot of complaints have been quelled
[QUOTE=dai;44433624]and this is a static left click context menu??? [img]http://i.imgur.com/I2npw7G.png[/img] the biggest argument I've seen for bringing back start menus is that these functions vanished, and to that credit, nobody at microsoft thought it would be a good idea to point out the fact that these were still readily accessible beyond having to fumble around through the metro junk for settings. the second biggest argument was that it was full screen for no reason, and that I can agree was silly, though the speed and functionality was the same, if not improved (situationally), but with this update that is finally quelled[/QUOTE] Technically you can modify those items in that list, vs windows 8's right click start menu, but as I said before there's rarely a time I've used devices and printers (aside from making sure my wireless printer was found), and much much much less default programs and help and support. File Explorer already has those directories and more in the jump lists which when the classic version comes back to windows 8 or 9, then that list will also be in the start menu. And thus my main problem with the start menu becoming metro, if you don't have a program pinned to the taskbar or currently open, you can't access its jump list. Heck even my mom uses jump lists in the windows 7 start menu, and every so often I have to remind her how to open internet explorer.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44431221]Or it could be that a lot of people have and despise it for being dysfunctional and clunky in so many way?[/QUOTE] Such as? [QUOTE=zakedodead;44432490]Unlike the fanboys who constantly whine about the W8 h8ers[/QUOTE] A+ counter argument, you sure showed me
[QUOTE=draugur;44433297]Technically, .exe stands for .executable. Thus they are neither program or apps, they are executables. If you guys are going to argue about semantics, at least be correct. Executable = program = application, stop fucking bitching and enjoy this massive improvement to win 8 and hopefully win 9.[/QUOTE] It's like you're just arguing for the sake of being argumentative. What's your problem?
[QUOTE=Viva;44431204]It works but it was still a redesign that wasn't necessary. I've used windows 8 on both mouse and keyboard setups and touchscreen setups. Mouse and keyboard, yeah i could use it but was rather annoying, wasn't a matter of 'adjusting' to it either. On the touchscreen it was glorious, i loved it. It made sense when on a touchscreen setup.[/QUOTE] How is it "annoying" with a mouse and keyboard? It's easy as hell to use.
[QUOTE=lavacano;44433743]A+ counter argument, you sure showed me[/QUOTE] Basically, people who don't like Windows 8 don't like it for a reason. People who don't like people who don't like Windows 8 just because are the real children. Like, I know people that despise Windows and'd rather stick to Mac OS, while I can't stand anything but my nice comfy Windows, but at least we have a mutual understanding and respect eachother's OS choice instead of bitching about it whenever we see eachother using what the other doesn't.
I was on the verge of wanting to upgrade to Windows 8, now that this has announced, since my last post here I've bought, downloaded, upgraded to, and fully set up Windows 8 :v: Nothing really to lose when you can do an upgrade install and got 8.1 Pro for £6.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;44430890]From what I can tell OP originally had no images or sources. Anyways, I think this is perfect. Giving the user a choice should of been there on day one, or at least added with 8.1 imo.[/QUOTE] The choice they need to give users is to disable the fucking App/Tiles screen altogether. We get it Microsoft...MOBILE TOUCHSCREEN COMPUTING!!!! Okay, you're trendy. Now, can you just for the love of God acknowledge that the majority of your userbase are using laptops and PCs that don't have touchscreen monitors/computers, that the first thing the majority of Windows 8 users do first is spend an hour trying to figure out how to get their computer to work like Windows 7 and that the majority of Windows 8 users just want to see the damn desktop when they login without downloading 3rd party software or becoming a google detective? They keyword here is choice and that's what the user should ALWAYS have.
[QUOTE=gk99;44433795]Basically, people who don't like Windows 8 don't like it for a reason. [/QUOTE] Maybe in the general public, but I'm referring to Facepunch. Most Facepunchers who hate Windows 8 hate it for the sake of hating it. Some do have their reasons though.
Time to upgrade!
[QUOTE=gk99;44433795]Basically, people who don't like Windows 8 don't like it for a reason. People who don't like people who don't like Windows 8 just because are the real children. Like, I know people that despise Windows and'd rather stick to Mac OS, while I can't stand anything but my nice comfy Windows, but at least we have a mutual understanding and respect eachother's OS choice instead of bitching about it whenever we see eachother using what the other doesn't.[/QUOTE] Because it means something. This happened once before, remember? Microsoft [i]feels[/i] it when people don't get the new OS. And then they change their plans. And delay things. I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want another incident similar to the Vista backlash. Vista was a solid OS with some launch issues that wasn't even given a chance to reach its potential before it was "RENOUNCED FOREVER!" by all the people who've been clinging to XP for six years by that point (many of whom would - I presume - later become the same people who still use Firefox in 2014. *snicker*) And because of that, no one went near it even after its issues were fixed because of how much mud was slung on its name that it started getting nicknamed "Pissta" and being unfairly placed with genuine abominations like Windows ME. So what happened? Windows 7 for the most part had to abandon its original Vienna concept and become a band-aid for Vista; making some improvements of its own, yes, but also packaging in all the fixes and improvements that [i]did[/i] go into Vista proper but people ignored and didn't bother giving a chance because "ew, Vista." And Vienna's vision was pushed back to Windows 8. Meaning progress is delayed and the market is fragmented unnecessarily, making life more difficult for the people maintaining the OS as well as any dev who has to account for any incompatibilities between an OS and what [i]should[/i] have been able to received as an update to said OS but had to all go into its own package because of branding problems. And now that Vienna itself is here with Windows 8, the process is starting to repeat itself, causing more headaches and work than is necessary because of all the people buying into this stupid "Windows Cycle" that [i]they[/i] caused when they called for Vista's head so soon and waiting for Windows 9. But now that 8.1 is slowly merging Metro into the OS in a way that makes more sense and fixing all the mistakes the initial version made, it's becoming more and more of a straight upgrade to Windows 7. And yes, I [i]would[/i] like to see people stop being little bitches about it and actually upgrade instead of waiting for Windows 9, because Windows 8 will [i]become[/i] what you want Windows 9 to be if you just friggin' be patient and actually give them a chance to iron things out instead of wholesale rejecting it like you did Vista. And when that happens, Microsoft will feel it. And then we can progress with the [i]real[/i] development sooner and there can be less fragmentation between the base system and what should have been a [i]service pack.[/i] And then maybe Windows 9 will actually be a [i]significant[/i] step instead of simply a band-aid for the previous OS again. Vista was already sacrificed to the very worst of [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CriticalBacklash]Critical Backlash[/url]. Let's not go down that road again.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44434123]I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want another incident similar to the Vista backlash. Vista was a solid OS with some launch issues that wasn't even given a chance to reach its potential before it was "RENOUNCED FOREVER!" by all the people who've been clinging to XP for six years by that point (many of whom would - I presume - later become the same people who still use Firefox in 2014. *snicker*)[/QUOTE] Good god a Vista apologist in the flesh, never thought I'd see the day. You know how many of us Vista testers begged Microsoft not to release it? They KNEW it was going to be a flop and they did it anyway. I tried my hardest to like Vista, I really did. Losing files, virus scans on downloads (after I turned off all the scanners), windows update downloading updates even after being fully disabled... I had no control over my own damn OS. It told me how it was going to be, and that pissed me right off. Then a day came where I tried to copy 2gb from one hard drive to another, and left it on all night. When I woke up, IT HADN'T MOVED A SINGLE FILE. I formatted my primary partition and slapped XP right over it and was a happy camper right up to Windows 7. Seriously, why the hell would I ever want an OS that wouldn't permit me to do basic file operations because who-fucking-knows-im-windows-vista-bitch? And your Firefox comment... you really don't know much about anything, do you? [QUOTE=Grimhound;44433319]I've wanted to see something where the Superbutton brings up a transparent cover pane over whatever your active window is with all the options normally ascribed to both the desktop and the menu/bar system. Something akin to the Steam overlay, but with control functionality. Like. Superbutton. (Overlay pops up) Music. Play this. (In the background) Yes. And then it opens the music player behind my active program and does its thing without me having to break focus.[/QUOTE] It seems like if Metro had done this in the first place people would have liked it. In an age where we're all making less intrusive UIs, microsoft dumped the flashy obstacle to productivity known as Metro on us. Glad they seem to want to change it.
That start menu looks stupid, I don't want your metro shit stuffed into my start menu so I will stick with the classic menu using [url]http://startisback.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;44434512]Good god a Vista apologist in the flesh [...] I formatted my primary partition and slapped XP right over it and was a happy camper right up to Windows 7. And your Firefox comment... you really don't know much about anything, do you?[/QUOTE] Cute. While you're at it, where's your Futurama avatar or Bob and George profile link? 2003 called, by the way, it says you've still got its copy of Vice City.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44434578]Cute. While you're at it, where's your Futurama avatar or Bob and George profile link? 2003 called, by the way, it says you've still got its copy of Vice City.[/QUOTE] Are you picking on Vice City? Say that to me irl and see what happens mfer. Anyway I don't exactly like 7 very much but if 9 has better compability with old "apps" without having to use "XP mode" then I'm in. But considering 7 isn't hindering anything currently like XP used to do I'm staying on it.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44430807]Ha, "All Apps". My computer has "programs", Microsoft. Apps are for phones.[/QUOTE] Oh nooo, different terminooolooggyyy~~ Grow the fuck up.
[QUOTE=spectator1;44432350]Still don't like it, and programs being called apps. They are clearly not the same thing.[/QUOTE] might not be the same by definition, but when enough people use the word incorrectly... just look what happened to the word "literally". most of the time the two words are interchangeable to me.
[QUOTE=spectator1;44434738]Are you picking on Vice City? Say that to me irl and see what happens mfer.[/QUOTE] Never actually played it. I was a GameCube kid; my PS2 never saw much use.
[QUOTE=Hendo;44434570]That start menu looks stupid, I don't want your metro shit stuffed into my start menu so I will stick with the classic menu using [url]http://startisback.com/[/url][/QUOTE] They're pretty much taking the exact same thing people have already overwhelming said they don't want, saying, "Okay, well we'll bring back start...but we're gonna stick this crap you don't want or need in it anyway." You know, I'm not a huge fan of Macs but I'm starting to see why many people are. I get this feeling that MS is trying to compete with Apple's simplicity + snazziness concept when what they should be doing is focusing on basic functionality. Look guys, I don't care if Windows is the ugly girl at the prom. I just want to know that she can put out.
My gf's laptop uses Windows 8, it's ok, I don't have a huge problem with it, the only thing I dislike a good amount is that the file browser feels a little fiddly sometimes with the extra space it uses for no real reason, and Metro apps are not all that good in comparison to the actual standalone versions of those programs most of the time. But I also don't see a big reason to use 8 if I already have 7 working how I like. But this is a good idea because options are ALWAYS good. There is no reason to dislike this change really, it keeps what is there for people who like it, and adds something different for people who don't. Hopefully Microsoft continues to take this idea to heart for future development because options are VERY important, and they can make the difference between something inflexible enough to be annoying to a lot of people, and something easily tweaked to your own liking to become just as good as you want it to be. Not personally upgrading to W8, but the point is this is good because adding more functionality, optional to use if you want, to ignore if you don't, is pretty good for everyone really.
[QUOTE=lavacano;44433743]A+ counter argument, you sure showed me[/QUOTE] Yeah well I'm rubber you're glue everything I say bounces off me fuck you [editline]2nd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44434578]Cute. While you're at it, where's your Futurama avatar or Bob and George profile link? 2003 called, by the way, it says you've still got its copy of Vice City.[/QUOTE] Futurama is better than basically anything that has came out later in its genre, not sure what bob and george is, and Vice city is one of the best GTA games (I prefer SA though.) What's your point?
The start screen wasn't as useful to me as the start menu, too many missing features and forced fullscreen. Good to see they're finally listening to their customers. Bringing it back with live tiles is pretty cool.
how about add [URL="http://bertrand.deo.free.fr/TEMP/w8classic.png"]classic 2000 theme[/URL] ?
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44434123](many of whom would - I presume - later become the same people who still use Firefox in 2014. *snicker*)[/QUOTE] Am I missing something? Firefox is one of the best browsers out there. If I had to choose one besides it, it'd be Chrome. [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44434123]And yes, I [i]would[/i] like to see people stop being little bitches about it and actually upgrade instead of waiting for Windows 9, because Windows 8 will [i]become[/i] what you want Windows 9 to be if you just friggin' be patient and actually give them a chance to iron things out instead of wholesale rejecting it like you did Vista. And when that happens, Microsoft will feel it. And then we can progress with the [i]real[/i] development sooner and there can be less fragmentation between the base system and what should have been a [i]service pack.[/i] And then maybe Windows 9 will actually be a [i]significant[/i] step instead of simply a band-aid for the previous OS again. [/QUOTE] I don't think anybody is going to spend $300 (or whatever ridiculous cost Windows 8 is) for something that lacks what they want, on the off chance it's added in the future.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;44435408]Yeah well I'm rubber you're glue everything I say bounces off me fuck you[/QUOTE] Since you apparently didn't get it first time around, here's the recap • I pointed out that the huge bandwagon against Win8 (because it exists, or at least existed) could potentially crumble with its only rallying cry being taken away from it. This leaves only intelligent opinions about Windows 8 (which can still be negative, mind) • You responded by calling me a whiny fanboy. No counter argument presented, no disproof of statement, nothing. Just name calling. • Because I actually like arguments, I pointed out the fact that you presented nothing but hot air, in a sarcastic manner. • You presented another childish argument (a mutation of the "rubber/glue" thing) instead of giving me a proper statement for your side. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time around, and assume you didn't think I wanted a proper discussion for some reason. Because I'm seriously interested to know what arguments exist against Windows 8.
[QUOTE=Jookia;44436724]I don't think anybody is going to spend $300 (or whatever ridiculous cost Windows 8 is) for something that lacks what they want, on the off chance it's added in the future.[/QUOTE] Win8's been on sale for a mere $10 more than once, and the two versions - standard and Pro - go for $120 and $200 respectively.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;44431138]These are good points to make, but the thing is, if a company is doing something ONLY to rid bad PR because of horrible things they did, they do NOT deserve another chance. They are NOT doing it to be better, they're doing it for the money. And the only way to make the world a better place when it comes to these companies, is to vote with your wallet.[/QUOTE] boo hoo hoo people are doing things i want them to do but not for the reasons i want them to be doing them for!!! wee woo wee woo here comes the thought police!!!
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;44436849]Win8's been on sale for a mere $10 more than once, and the two versions - standard and Pro - go for $120 and $200 respectively.[/QUOTE] $20 and there's no such thing as Windows 8 Standard, you either have Pro or Pro, seriously The only one above pro is enterprise and you can't buy that from retail or online, its something businesses get with Microsoft partnership
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;44437225]$20 and there's no such thing as Windows 8 Standard, you either have Pro or Pro, seriously The only one above pro is enterprise and you can't buy that from retail or online, its something businesses get with Microsoft partnership[/QUOTE] Mmmm, [url=http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare]nope[/url].
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.