Horrifying Audio of Man Killing Unarmed Teens Released By Court
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[QUOTE=Aman;44705972]Don't break into crazy guys homes that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
For the record, I'm not saying this to stir up shit.
But why'd they let a crazy guy even own guns?
If you're getting burglarized multiple times, you should call the police. That's what they're for.
But instead, it apparently made more sense to him to just execute them? That's insanity.
They're unarmed and young, how can anyone believe that this is the definition of "self-defense"?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44706344]fp is hilarious honestly
constantly going off about how if you knock down my door and come in my house i won't hesitate to shoot you in the chest and kill you and i'd be morally and legally in the right to do so
this guy does the same thing, and somehow people are trying to justify castle doctrine whilst decrying someone who used it![/QUOTE]
Probably because you're completely ignorant as to how the castle doctrine, and our criminal justice system in general, works.
[QUOTE=booster;44706371]For the record, I'm not saying this to stir up shit.
But why'd they let a crazy guy even own guns?[/QUOTE]
If you haven't noticed small minority of people who own guns are to later be deemed mentally unstable.
[QUOTE=booster;44706371]For the record, I'm not saying this to stir up shit.
But why'd they let a crazy guy even own guns?[/QUOTE]
I cannot find anything that states that he has a history of being 'crazy'. [url=http://www.mprnews.org/story/2012/11/28/crime/little-falls-byron-smith-shooter-protected-us-embassies-terrorists-spies]In fact he worked for the U.s. State Department[/url]. His owned his firearms legally.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44706344]fp is hilarious honestly
constantly going off about how if you knock down my door and come in my house i won't hesitate to shoot you in the chest and kill you and i'd be morally and legally in the right to do so
this guy does the same thing, and somehow people are trying to justify castle doctrine whilst decrying someone who used it![/QUOTE]
There's a difference between shooting someone with a pistol who kicked down your door and executing two unarmed teenagers who were being stupid teenagers
It's premeditated murder, he planned it, waiting for them, but reading the transcript he was obviously in a really horrible state of mind. Having your home broken into is really invasive, far worse than you might think and some people can get really affected by it. This guy was obviously hit really bad, so bad that he came to the conclusion that sitting down and waiting for them is the way to solve it.
This transcript really shows just what he was thinking.
[QUOTE]4 hours and 58 minutes after shootings: “five thousand… five thousand dollar slice, ten thousand dollar slice. And if I gather enough evidence they might be prosecuted. If they are prosecuted, it might go to court. If it goes to court they might be found guilty. If they are found guilty they might spend six months to two years in jail, and they’re out. And, they need money worse than ever and they are filled with revenge. I cannot live like that. I can’t have that chewing on me for the rest of my life. I cannot. I refuse to live with that level of fear in my life.”[/QUOTE]
This is a really tragic story.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44706344]fp is hilarious honestly
constantly going off about how if you knock down my door and come in my house i won't hesitate to shoot you in the chest and kill you and i'd be morally and legally in the right to do so
this guy does the same thing, and somehow people are trying to justify castle doctrine whilst decrying someone who used it![/QUOTE]
he laid a trap for kids, sat in wait for 6 hours recording silence, then shot them multiple times with the added bonus of shooting them in the faces after already putting them down with numerous shots. Yes they had been in there a many times before (they say violent? did they beat the dude up or something? maybe it wasn't even those two before and it was some stupid dare some stupid group of friends had been making the rounds on).
from the sound of it, the guy was going to be in and out quick, and the girl wasn't supposed to be involved at all. Seems she waited in a nearby car for him to return, and when he didn't for 40 minutes, she came in to see if he was alright. The old man didn't say "get the fuck out I have a rifle", he just waited for her to amble over to the stairs as she called out for the boy and shot her from the darkness, before muttering shit at her and unloading more shots.
The kids were stupid to break into a house, but they weren't out to get him- they only showed up when the place was apparently empty because they clearly didn't want confrontation, what would amount to a potentially "violent" break-in.
fuck this guy for his awful attempt at vigilante justice
[QUOTE=Gbps;44706375]If you're getting burglarized multiple times, you should call the police. That's what they're for.
But instead, it apparently made more sense to him to just execute them? That's insanity.
They're unarmed and young, how can anyone believe that this is the definition of "self-defense"?[/QUOTE]
Sadly the police [URL="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts"] cannot protect you 24/7 if at all.[/URL] It was also Thanksgiving and it would have taken the police more time to respond to a 911 call due to the decrease in patrol units. Citizens need to be responsible for their own protection. Getting an alarm system as well as a dog can help a lot.
To all the people who are saying this is right, or at least legally right, it's not. Once someone is incapacitated, and getting shot so you're on the ground bleeding definitely fits that, any further force especially lethal is no longer self-defense, but assault or in this case homicide.
[QUOTE=Axznma;44706056]That's the risk you take every time you do stupid shit like that. You will never know who's going to snap.[/QUOTE]
How about YOU DONT GIVE GUNS FOR FUCKING INSANE PEOPLE ?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;44706400]Probably because you're completely ignorant as to how the castle doctrine, and our criminal justice system in general, works.[/QUOTE]
i know precisely how the castle doctrine and law in general functions
in effect the individual basically viewed the entire situation as self defense, you can cleanly see that from the tapes. he constantly is concerned about his own safety, and especially that the kids would be "filled with revenge" if they were to be prosecuted or punished legally in some way. he viewed the killings as a means of self defense. he's clearly insane, which makes the fact that he used the word "troll" (a la any internet user that would frequent fp) to describe the woman even more hilarious.
[QUOTE=Tiesno;44706193]everyone's at fault really
these kids breaking into his house multiple times, driving the guy off the edge and into insanity, then deciding to go back to the guy they inadvertently turned crazy and having him kill them in some twisted sense of revenge[/QUOTE]
You don't suddenly go insane because of break-ins, you go insane from a fucking mental illness. PTSD from break-ins and psychotic actions are too different things.
[QUOTE=Tinter;44706426]It's premeditated murder, he planned it, waiting for them, but reading the transcript he was obviously in a really horrible state of mind. Having your home broken into is really invasive, far worse than you might think and some people can get really affected by it. This guy was obviously hit really bad, so bad that he came to the conclusion that sitting down and waiting for them is the way to solve it.
This transcript really shows just what he was thinking.
This is a really tragic story.[/QUOTE]
This worries me to a degree too. If someone breaks into your house and they get caught and sent to prison, there's nothing stopping them from getting revenge once they're out. Especially if they are in a bad spot in life, hence why they turned to crime in the first place. It takes one psycho to end your life as shown in this report.
Well, i guess they wont be breaking into a crazy guys house anymore.
Well if someone has a history of any kind of anxiety, mental breakdowns, taking anti depressants ... etc
I think he should banned from getting guns.
[QUOTE=dai;44706429]he laid a trap for kids, sat in wait for 6 hours recording silence, then shot them multiple times with the added bonus of shooting them in the faces after already putting them down with numerous shots. Yes they had been in there a many times before (they say violent? did they beat the dude up or something? maybe it wasn't even those two before and it was some stupid dare some stupid group of friends had been making the rounds on).
from the sound of it, the guy was going to be in and out quick, and the girl wasn't supposed to be involved at all. Seems she waited in a nearby car for him to return, and when he didn't for 40 minutes, she came in to see if he was alright. The old man didn't say "get the fuck out I have a rifle", he just waited for her to amble over to the stairs as she called out for the boy and shot her from the darkness, before muttering shit at her and unloading more shots.
The kids were stupid to break into a house, but they weren't out to get him- they only showed up when the place was apparently empty because they clearly didn't want confrontation, what would amount to a potentially "violent" break-in.
fuck this guy for his awful attempt at vigilante justice[/QUOTE]
It honestly doesn't seem to me like he was trying to set himself up as a vigilante hero.
From what I gather, it was more he was really affected by these break ins to the point where he saw calling the police and putting them in prison as a temporary solution that would only make the problem worse down the line.
I can't find a source on this, but if them breaking in over 30 times is true, it must've really made him feel vulnerable. The thing I have a lot of trouble understanding though is how they allegedly managed to break in over 30 times, you'd think he'd resort to calling the police the first time it happened, unless his idea of that only being a temporary solution came first, which to me signifies that there must've been some mental problem beforehand.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44706452]How about YOU DONT GIVE GUNS FOR FUCKING INSANE PEOPLE ?[/QUOTE]
I have yet to see any evidence that the defendant was insane or had a mental disorder. Does anyone have any links to share?
[QUOTE=seano12;44706270]I could barely understand what he was saying towards the end, but I found a transcript and he does make some fair points: [URL]http://wjon.com/byron-smith-murder-trial-case-sent-to-jury/[/URL]
I think you're looking at this case from only one angle.[/QUOTE]
What other logical angle is there to fucking look at it? They broke into his house 30 times, he had the means to call the police and get them caught since it was obviously a repeat job many times, instead he took it upon him self to murder people in a twisted sense of "justice."
There [i]is no other angle[/i] he fucking [i]murdered[/i] them in cold blood. The audio log proves it, there is [i]nothing[/i] else to it.
[editline]2nd May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=seano12;44706502]I have yet to see any evidence that the defendant was insane or had a mental disorder. Does anyone have any links to share?[/QUOTE]
Uhm, you know, the audio logs pretty much point to it. A sense of joy from the pre-meditated murder of two young adults [i]isn't normal[/i] by any fucking sense of the term. If you think this guy isn't insane to some degree you have a problem.
I feel like I should feel bad for these teens but I really don't care. Sure it was pretty clear murder, but you know what? You have it coming, breaking in 30 times.
[QUOTE=seano12;44706502]I have yet to see any evidence that the defendant was insane or had a mental disorder. Does anyone have any links to share?[/QUOTE]
I'd say the actions he took, the tapes showing how he was talking to himself after the shooting, the planning, the tape recorder he set up, the way he congratulated himself of killing two unarmed people, the execution, etc. Does a mentally stable person does these things ?
[editline]3rd May 2014[/editline]
Seano12, are you really trying to be a murder apologist ? Really ?
[QUOTE=AJ10017;44706489]Well, i guess they wont be breaking into a crazy guys house anymore.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and they also won't be able to fix their mistakes and live lives as productive members of society like they could have if caught by the police instead of murdered in cold blood in the name of "justice."
[QUOTE=dai;44706429]he laid a trap for kids, sat in wait for 6 hours recording silence, then shot them multiple times with the added bonus of shooting them in the faces after already putting them down with numerous shots. Yes they had been in there a many times before (they say violent? did they beat the dude up or something? maybe it wasn't even those two before and it was some stupid dare some stupid group of friends had been making the rounds on).
from the sound of it, the guy was going to be in and out quick, and the girl wasn't supposed to be involved at all. Seems she waited in a nearby car for him to return, and when he didn't for 40 minutes, she came in to see if he was alright. The old man didn't say "get the fuck out I have a rifle", he just waited for her to amble over to the stairs as she called out for the boy and shot her from the darkness, before muttering shit at her and unloading more shots.
The kids were stupid to break into a house, but they weren't out to get him- they only showed up when the place was apparently empty because they clearly didn't want confrontation, what would amount to a potentially "violent" break-in.
fuck this guy for his awful attempt at vigilante justice[/QUOTE]
the elements of this match castle doctrine though. he was in his home, defending his property. people broke in, he had clear fear for his life (the interesting aspect of this is that it wasn't immediate fear, but fear of future retribution which is why from a purely legal and technical standpoint this doesn't fall under castle doctrine - however, practically every other element is exactly the same)
basically what i'm saying is that castle doctrine is utter bullshit and shouldn't exist
there's no need for the laws that make up castle doctrine to exist, any case that can be tried under castle doctrine can be tried under basic self defense laws. the fact that it's in your house means jack shit. the absolute fervor with which many fp users speak of the castle doctrine perfectly mirrors this guy's state of mind, as if they've been training with their trusty .22s just [I]waiting[/I] for the day that someone busts down their door. there's people in this very thread saying that the murder is the fault of both parties - the murderer and the victims. that's fucking ridiculous, and that's absolutely clear to anyone who's not an insane nutter.
[QUOTE=Tinter;44706501][highlight]It honestly doesn't seem to me like he was trying to set himself up as a vigilante hero.[/highlight]
From what I gather, it was more he was really affected by these break ins to the point where he saw calling the police and putting them in prison as a temporary solution that would only make the problem worse down the line.
I can't find a source on this, but if them breaking in over 30 times is true, it must've really made him feel vulnerable. The thing I have a lot of trouble understanding though is how they allegedly managed to break in over 30 times, you'd think he'd resort to calling the police the first time it happened, unless his idea of that only being a temporary solution came first, which to me signifies that there must've been some mental problem beforehand.[/QUOTE]
[quote]1 hour 43 minutes after shootings: “I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I felt like I was cleaning up a mess. Not like spilled food. Not like vomit. Not even like…not even like diarrhea. The worse mess possible. And I was stuck with it…in some tiny little respect…in some tiny little respect. [highlight]I was doing my civic duty. If the law enforcement system couldn’t handle it, I had to do it. I had to do it[/highlight]. The law system couldn’t handle her and if it fell into my lap and she dropped her problem in my lap…and she threw her own problem in my face. And I had to clean it up.”
[url]http://wjon.com/byron-smith-murder-trial-case-sent-to-jury/[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44706528]I'd say the actions he took, the tapes showing how he was talking to himself after the shooting, the planning, the tape recorder he set up, the way he congratulated himself of killing two unarmed people, the execution, etc. Does a mentally stable person does these things ?
[editline]3rd May 2014[/editline]
Seano12, are you really trying to be a murder apologist ? Really ?[/QUOTE]
I think it's been established at this point that seano12 is either an incorrigible troll, a recalcitrant shitposter or just clinically insane.
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There is no excusing what this man did. You can argue all you want about how the law enforcement would have been ineffective, but that does not justify shooting two people after they have been incapacitated. Furthermore, it he was prepared and waiting for them to enter his house so that he could kill them. What he did was patently premeditated, and that makes it murder.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;44706528]I'd say the actions he took, the tapes showing how he was talking to himself after the shooting, the planning, the tape recorder he set up, the way he congratulated himself of killing two unarmed people, the execution, etc. Does a mentally stable person does these things ?
[editline]3rd May 2014[/editline]
Seano12, are you really trying to be a murder apologist ? Really ?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't clear enough in my post. Let me rephrase:
I have yet to see any evidence that the defendant was insane or had a mental disorder PRIOR to the murder. Several posts in this thread were asking why he owned a firearm if he was insane. If he had a mental disorder then he should not have legally owned a firearm. Perhaps now you can refrain from labeling me as an apologist.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;44706561]I think it's been established at this point that seano12 is either an incorrigible troll, a recalcitrant shitposter or just clinically insane.[/QUOTE]
Quiet your remarks as my posts in this thread are legitimate. Any reputation I have does not pertain to this thread, and I require my posts to be taken at face value.
[QUOTE=dai;44706550]quotes[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I feel like there's many ways to interpret this transcript. I'm not sure of which way to interpret this. I don't know if you can completely trust his words, he had just killed two people and perhaps he was trying to justify what he did in his own eyes to lessen the guilt or maybe he meant it all and thought the justice system was inadequate. Well of course he did consider the law enforcement system to be inadequate, but I'm not sure how else to word it, so I'll just stop trying to argue now.
[QUOTE=Tinter;44706659]I dunno, I feel like there's many ways to interpret this transcript. I'm not sure of which way to interpret this. I don't know if you can completely trust his words, he had just killed two people and perhaps he was trying to justify what he did in his own eyes to lessen the guilt or maybe he meant it all and thought the justice system was inadequate. Well of course he did consider the law enforcement system to be inadequate, but I'm not sure how else to word it, so I'll just stop trying to argue now.[/QUOTE]
one way to interpret it is that he sat there and was already practicing what he was going to say to lawyers an hour before anybody showed up, then spent five hours sitting there with dead bodies in his basement rambling to himself about how he was justified and the kids were subhuman trash
It sucks that the cops weren't able to do much about his situation to the point it came to this, but he romanticized the killing and flat out baited people into his home (with a setup that would ironically guarantee anyone entering wasn't there with intent to harm him) fully planning to murder them.
This was really horrible. I can understand being distraught and upset over having your personal property broken into many times, but to the point where you'll kill people in cold fucking blood? The first shot clearly stopped the guy from being a potential threat.
The killer is fucked in the head. No normal person can just casually shoot a person to death whilst claiming "You're dead!". If he was a normal person, he'd have made the first shot and called the police straight away.
But then the whole him fearing retribution from the teens in the future? Enough to end their lives? Fuck him. He's scum.
[QUOTE=Complifused;44705955]Jesus...[/QUOTE]
This, Holy shit. Just the thought of being in that position of the girl. fuck.
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