• Horrifying Audio of Man Killing Unarmed Teens Released By Court
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[QUOTE=CaptainRagequit;44716670] It's a great analogy that came out of a program derived to keep youth's from doing hard time in jails. It came from the original 1978 program, Scared Straight. It may be a flawed one, but it's an understandable correlation. Also, what does justify murder to you people? Facepunch likes to play the peace card as much as they can. Half of you fuckers would probably let the robber come face to face with you and point a gun to your head before you'd even think of fighting back, and by then it's over.[/QUOTE] Being constantly in trouble with the law shouldn't be, and isn't a death sentence, for good reason. Comparing murder of two troublemakers to euthanization is what I was referring to as psychotic. We're not talking about dogs here, but living, actual people with friends and families that broke into a bloody house. Why did they deserve to die, leaving their families and loved ones grieving? As for what justifies murder, I don't think anything does. Murder is never right, and I particularly don't want to see the state have the power to do it. I'm not paranoid enough to sleep with a gun under my pillow, fearing some psychopath sneaks up on me with a gun, and I most certainly can't abide protecting your belongings with violence.
[QUOTE=Niko_38;44715227]The fact that shooting intruders is generally acceptable in the United States is disturbing enough for me, even if it's just to incapacitate them.[/QUOTE] It has saved numerous lives, but it's one thing to shoot them in order to incapacitate them (or kill them if they still come at you after you've warned and/or shot them), it's another to plan the murder of the people who you know will rob your house instead of calling the police.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44716890]What makes people special? There's something like 7 billion of us, the loss of 2 isn't tragic on a grand scale at all. People are selfish, stubborn, and foolish at best. The difference between dogs and humans is the fact that a human will argue with you for a bit before you shoot them in the face. I'm not saying we should be running around executing people, but the whole "thinking everyone is special" is a joke. Special to their family, yes; special to humanity as a whole.. no, not at all.[/QUOTE] Dude you're like...dehumanizing them man....
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44717351]I know man, that's the point. Humanity wanders around like every member of the species is special, however that's simply not the case.[/QUOTE] Your death would be mathematically insignificant as well, I doubt you'd be so apathetic about it though.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44717398]Why would I care? I'm dead.. I'm pretty apathetic about death because it happens EVERY DAY, THOUSANDS OF TIMES. The only people who care about you are your immediate family. You can walk around and say "oh but I really care about everyone I meet", bullshit, you don't break down and cry every time you see a bum on the street, you don't invite every homeless person into your home, you don't morn the loss of every human being who dies, so don't act like humanity is special, I certainly don't, nor do I make exceptions for myself/family. Am I going to be bummed when my wife/kids die? Yea, defiantly. But is anyone else outside of our family going to say any more than "oh that sucks" no, probably not.[/QUOTE] Am I bummed out that those two particular people are dead? Not very, but that's besides the point. What bothers me is the general attitude towards a human life and that warped sense of "justice" that apparently makes it okay to shoot someone for trying to steal your stuff.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44717446]Or the fact that that someone could indeed have malice in mind when they kick down your door, and you can't take that risk, especially when you have other people to care about than yourself. Yes, let me just sit here and wait to figure out what this guy wants, maybe he just wants my TV, or maybe he wants to kill my wife and kids, but fuck it, i'll wait. No thanks, i'll shoot the guy who I couldn't give two fucks about, rather than let him harm the only people on the planet that I [B]DO[/B] care about.[/QUOTE] I'm sure you would but I don't see how that's fair, nor how it should be treated as anything but murder when you have no idea of the intruders intentions.
I don't see the point of this debate when what this guy did was clearly not a typical self-defense case.
Every single one of you should stop and listen to that recording. This is NRA groupthink in action. This is America's obsession with "justifiable" homicide and "self defense". THIS is every gun owner who walks around with a gun on his hip each and every day in the hopes of finally finding a situation where he can legally murder someone. I don't think it should ever be legal to use a weapon against another person unless you are in imminent danger of death from an armed attacker. Somebody coming into your house does NOT give you any kind of moral right to execute a human being while they scream and beg for their life. It is not an act of self defense, it is a sick mentality of valuing STUFF and a vague notion of "muh freedom and muh rights" over human life. No TV is worth ending a human life over. The human right to life trumps all other rights, and the only way you surrender that right is by actively attempting to take it away from someone else.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44717608]Except you're not shooting with the intent of killing them. Your shooting to remove the threat. It just so happens that in the process the person might die.[/QUOTE] You're not "removing the threat". You are shooting and killing another human being. Don't try to cloak the reality in clean-sounding language. Call it what it is. [quote]Do you wait and find out his intent? Do you wait for him to draw his weapon? Because by that point it's too fucking late and you're probably dead, and since your dead, your family is probably also going to die, congrats, the "sanctity of life" was preserved.. and you with all of your opinions are dead, and the guy who couldn't give a single fuck about the "sanctity of life" is waltzing off. Human life is not special, putting someones life over your family's and your own is stupid as fuck and will get you nowhere. At the end of the day, no-one hands out awards for "hey thank's for not killing that dude, too bad he killed you and your family". Do I think it's fine that he executed them? No, it's against the law to shoot someone after they are proven incapacitated. Do I think it's fine that he shot them in the first place? Absolutely. No idea of intent, no idea of what they'd do once they'd been caught. Not worth it.[/quote] Contrary to NRA propaganda, there aren't that many people that break into a house intending to kill an entire family inside it. Your exact "You don't know the intent!" argument works both ways. You don't know if that person is a drunk who wandered into the wrong house, or someone who got in a car wreck looking for help, or your own daughter who tried to sneak back into the house after a party. If you shoot and kill someone on sight without any other information, it is because YOU wanted to shoot and kill them. And that is colloquially known as "murder".
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44717750]Which is fine because while it meets the definition of "murder" it doesn't meet the legal requirements to charge said person with "murder" thanks to castle defense bills. You can call someone a murderer all you want, but at the end of day you aren't going to convict them, unless they do something stupid like execute the person that broke in. [/QUOTE] I call them murderers because morally, that is exactly what you are if you kill someone in any circumstances other than imminent danger of death. I wish the law would reflect that. If you want to own a gun, fine. If you want to carry it, fine. But you should have to accept the responsibility of knowing that if you use it without clear evidence of imminent threat to your life, you will go to jail for the rest of your life. That might not be how things ARE (because certain states are run by assholes who fantasize about shooting people), but that is how I want things to be. [quote] And you can keep crying about "sancity of life" and "but you don't know what the intent was" but at the end of the day, as long as families are safe from idiots who break in, I could care less about what happens to said person breaking in. [/quote] Well, I guess fuck you then. I don't really have anything more to say about it.
[QUOTE=CaptainRagequit;44716670]Firstly, the 30 times figure has been re-iterated by news outlets and people on FP who were against what this guy did. If the figure isn't reputable, don't use it in an argument, dont even use it in an opinion. I only used it after i saw it being reported and mentioned several times. But here's the thing, thirty times is a big number, and it may not be accurate. But how off do you think that number is? How far away from 30 could the actual number be? 25? 20? 15? 10? Those numbers are still very high, especially when it's the same two people constantly breaking in. Also, It's funny how the post I quoted used the figure, and it wasn't questioned, even though it was used in defense of the slain kids and not the homeowner. If you know or believe that figure is inaccurate or unreputable, DON'T USE IT. PERIOD. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T EVEN HELP YOUR ARGUMENT. [B]I'm not any of the other people who did bring up this figure, so I dunno what the fuck you want [I]me[/I] to do, but okay. I agree.[/B] Secondly, his audio recorder was supposedly a part of his home security, which was only a component. Not to mention, no home security is 100 percent B&E proof. You will never find a reputable security firm boast that there is no way to get past their defense. Even in a shitty movie like The Purge, you can see that, even they admit, not all security systems are people-proof. Sometimes, it takes a few setups to really get a decent system down. The problem is that most people don't know this because most people don't get their houses broken into that much. Very few people get their houses broken into 25-30 times within a short span by the same person/people. [B]There's no B&E proof security system, true. However, an audio recorder is hardly a great security measure, seeing as it does nothing to deter a threat and only gives you a chance to apprehend them after the fact. Frankly speaking, if he'd toughened up his doors and locks and barred the first floor windows, I find it [I]incredibly unlikely[/I] that those two burglars would have returned to his home that many times. They were obviously after the low-hanging fruit and would have selected a softer target.[/B] Thirdly, This occurred in a small town in Minnesota, where the crime may not be that low compared to nearby areas, but compared to the US, it's minimal. The police department most likely just took a police report and didn't investigate. They probably even stopped responding to his calls. When the police in town cannot help, you are left to your own devices. He did what he had to do to stop the criminals. My guess is that he didn't know what they looked like and who they were. For all he could've known, it could've been an armed man who could've easily killed him as he killed them. He simply took no risks, and after shooting what was probably their central mass (which can easily cause fatal damage) he finished them off as moreso an act of mercy. If he landed his hits in the right spot, it would've still killed the kids, but they would've suffered for longer. [B]What the fuck? He's no trauma surgeon, how the fuck would he know if their wounds were fatal? They could well have survived, had he not decided to execute them. Even then, he fucking botches it with some kind of bullshit under the chin .22 shooting. With such a weak caliber and a bad choice of shooting location it would have been very easy to completely miss the brain stem and just cause the girl more pain. His actions here are completely indefensible, morally questionable, and are illegal for very good reasons.[/B] Finally, people are fucking animals. At the very least, dogs have the same basic functions and needs, many have a sense or system of loyalty, and a wide range of emotions and a very minor level of ethics. These kids can't even follow a basic law of "don't break into people's houses", and most likely did this because they disliked the man or thought it was funny. They clearly lacked ethics. In some aspects, they were less than dogs. [B]This is a ridiculous argument. Regardless of similarities between dogs and people, there's no good reason to treat us as if we're the same. Frankly speaking, I find it highly doubtful you'd like to be considered a "fucking animal" should you ever do something illegal or immoral.[/B] It's a great analogy that came out of a program derived to keep youth's from doing hard time in jails. It came from the original 1978 program, Scared Straight. It may be a flawed one, but it's an understandable correlation. [B]Understandable isn't good enough. Lots of morally reprehensible things can be "understood" but are still outright ridiculous.[/B] Also, what does justify murder to you people? Facepunch likes to play the peace card as much as they can. Half of you fuckers would probably let the robber come face to face with you and point a gun to your head before you'd even think of fighting back, and by then it's over. Pacifism does not work in this case. [B]This is literally the complete opposite of what I think. I used to waste far too much time in SH arguing the pro-gun side of every stupid gun-control debate. Gun rights and the right to self-defense are totally fine by me. However, executing two unarmed and non-threatening individuals is immoral, stupid, and illegal.[/B] [/QUOTE] Reply in bold.
Executed... Guy is fucking sick. Listening to him talk in the end sounded like some sort of monologue from a movie.
I've watched, and heard, the darkest of shit.. but this tops it.. I heard the audioclip when it surfaced on /b/; didn't think much of it. After hearing it in conjunction with the conviction. Holy fucking shit. That's dark. The girl calling out. :'(
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;44706520]I feel like I should feel bad for these teens but I really don't care. Sure it was pretty clear murder, but you know what? You have it coming, breaking in 30 times.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=outlawpickle;44707555]Teenagers get killed doing something stupid somewhere they know they shouldn't have been. Guess what? They'd be alive if they weren't breaking into people's houses. Their "youth" is not an excuse, they were 17 and 18 years old, which if you can vote and join the military, you know full well how fucking stupid it is to break into someone's house. Doesn't matter to me that this guy waited for intruders he knew were coming, whether he's guilty or not of a crime, I feel no sympathy for these teenagers. I feel sorry for their families but the teens themselves died from the exact scenario that prevents anyone with any sense from breaking into another person's house. Also... gunshots in the basement? I'm fucking out of there, I'm not checking on you when I know you didn't bring a gun. Where was any common sense, stop relying on the kindness of others because some people have none to give.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sokrates;44708166]I am conflicted. On one hand, he brutally murdered them. On the other, they were breaking into his home and kinda deserved it.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly baffled that people like you guys exist. We don't give burglars death sentences, so no, they didn't deserve it. How fucking callous do you have to be to feel [I]no[/I] sympathy for two kids who were executed in cold-blood by a psycho?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44720023]I'm honestly baffled that people like you guys exist. We don't give burglars death sentences, so no, they didn't deserve it.[/QUOTE] I don't condone the old man's sick actions but at the same time I don't give sympathy for people who die doing stupid, illegal things. My heart goes out to their families, however.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44720045]I don't condone the old man's sick actions but at the same time I don't give sympathy for people who die doing stupid, illegal things. My heart goes out to their families, however.[/QUOTE] The world could use a little more sympathizing and a little less labeling.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44720361]The world could use a little more sympathizing and a little less labeling.[/QUOTE] Yeah, except when you break into someone's house and are killed by someone who doesn't know your intentions. I'm never going to do that and I won't sympathize with you if you do. I don't condone either side in this case, one is a sick old man and the other two are dumb teenagers who died from making bad decisions.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44720447]Yeah, except when you break into someone's house and are killed by someone who doesn't know your intentions. I'm never going to do that and I won't sympathize with you if you do.[/QUOTE] Maybe if we stop assuming the worst about people you wouldn't feel the need to shoot people who have broken in? Seriously, what is the statistical chance that your house has been broken into by a crazed murderer who wants nothing more than to cut your pretty little face (and your families faces too I guess)? It's pretty low, about 1.39% of murders are from burglaries gone awry, if I've worked out right anyway. And it's pretty hard to work out random break-in murders as that isn't categorised. Rather than living in constant fear that a statistically insignificant event might happen to you, and thinking that every human being who happens to break in to your house is an crazed axe murderer or something, why not think at least a bit rationally? If they haven't come straight up to you to kill you, they're probably just looking for shit to steal. And stolen shit isn't worth murdering over. Stats source: [url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls[/url]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44720576]Maybe if we stop assuming the worst about people you wouldn't feel the need to shoot people who have broken in? Seriously, what is the statistical chance that your house has been broken into by a crazed murderer who wants nothing more than to cut your pretty little face (and your families faces too I guess)? It's pretty low, about 1.39% of murders are from burglaries gone awry, if I've worked out right anyway. And it's pretty hard to work out random break-in murders as that isn't categorised. Rather than living in constant fear that a statistically insignificant event might happen to you, and thinking that every human being who happens to break in to your house is an crazed axe murderer or something, why not think at least a bit rationally? If they haven't come straight up to you to kill you, they're probably just looking for shit to steal. And stolen shit isn't worth murdering over. Stats source: [url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls[/url][/QUOTE] I'm not going to react very welcoming and kind to someone who just shows up in my house. I'm not the type to own a gun nor will I set up a trap to lure mischievous teens and execute them, but living in the U.S. I know full well how crazy people are about guns and their property and that shit is no joke. I've lived in the South most of my life, in several states where setting foot on someone's property uninvited is reason enough to be shot. You say I live in fear, but I don't, at all. I live my life expecting the best of people and that comes with expecting them to not break into people's homes. Breaking in and stealing by middle class white teens is disgusting, it's something they do for a thrill and is pretty sick that you would treat someone else's home like that without the slightest consideration for the owner, be they scared shitless and scarred for life or psychotic and waiting for you with a gun.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;44720685]I'm not going to react very welcoming and kind to someone who just shows up in my house. I'm not the type to own a gun nor will I set up a trap to lure mischievous teens and execute them, but living in the U.S. I know full well how crazy people are about guns and their property and that shit is no joke. I've lived in the South most of my life, in several states where setting foot on someone's property uninvited is reason enough to be shot. You say I live in fear, but I don't, at all. I live my life expecting the best of people and that comes with expecting them to not break into people's homes. Breaking in and stealing by middle class white teens is disgusting, it's something they do for a thrill and is pretty sick that you would treat someone else's home like that without the slightest consideration for the owner, be they scared shitless and scarred for life or psychotic and waiting for you with a gun.[/QUOTE] Teens stealing shit for the thrill of it isn't on, I won't pretend it is. And break-ins aren't great for ones mental welfare. However shooting someone just for being on your property isn't right, they shouldn't be there sure, but telling them to fuck off and warning them you will do something should get most invaders to bounce. Opting straight for the "nah I dunno what they want to do, I'll kill them first!" option doesn't sound like someone expecting the best of people to me. Nobody here has tried to justify what the teens were doing, because it isn't right. But everything about this story just sounds fucked up, if there were "30 break-ins", why didn't he report it to the police 30 times? Why didn't he take measures to stop people seeing his house as an easy target? For there to have been 30 break-ins, he must live in a pretty shit area. The camping out and executing them is a massive problem, but everything leading up to this seems to stem from him in some way.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44720741]Teens stealing shit for the thrill of it isn't on, I won't pretend it is. And break-ins aren't great for ones mental welfare. However shooting someone just for being on your property isn't right, they shouldn't be there sure, but telling them to fuck off and warning them you will do something should get most invaders to bounce. Opting straight for the "nah I dunno what they want to do, I'll kill them first!" option doesn't sound like someone expecting the best of people to me. Nobody here has tried to justify what the teens were doing, because it isn't right. But everything about this story just sounds fucked up, if there were "30 break-ins", why didn't he report it to the police 30 times? Why didn't he take measures to stop people seeing his house as an easy target? For there to have been 30 break-ins, he must live in a pretty shit area. The camping out and executing them is a massive problem, but everything leading up to this seems to stem from him in some way.[/QUOTE] You say nobody justifies the teens and then argue like I've justified the old man, which I haven't, at all. Just because I don't sympathize with the teens doesn't mean I have any sympathy or support for the man who executed them. It's sick, tragic and senseless since this all could have been avoided in the first place by not breaking the law. Too many people in this thread seem to jump to the conclusion that I support the man, which is in no way what I've said. And you're right, we shouldn't shoot people on sight but I live in a country where that is a reality and I respect that people might have guns and an entirely different view than mine about why I'm on their property.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44720799]No, the world could do with less fucking idiots breaking the law. I don't feel bad for them, I do however think that executing them was wrong. Why don't I feel bad you might ask? Because almost EVERY state has castle defense bills, meaning you can be fired upon the second you enter someone's house without permission. Anyone who says "yea fuck it, ill risk it" is putting faith that the owner of the house isn't going to say "huh, i'm not going to risk my family" and put a round or two in them. Why is executing them wrong? Because even "deadly force" isn't SPECIFICALLY to kill them, it's to remove the threat, the reason it's called deadly force is because it has a significant chance of killing them. Once the threat is removed, you don't keep shooting, you don't parade over them. You render aid and care as best you can, and inform the police.[/QUOTE] People make dumb mistakes, especially teens. If you don't feel any sympathy for them being murdered over it then you're close to as sick as the guy pulling the trigger.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44721300]Being a teenager is an excuse to make dumb mistakes like: forgetting to walk the dog, and "oh shit, i didn't do my homework". Being a teenager isn't an excuse to break the law, nor is it an excuse to act like a god damned idiot. Terribly sorry I don't feel bad for 2 fucking idiots who broke in, thus putting themselves into the situation in the first place. Did they deserve to be executed? No. Did they deserve to be shot? Yes, the law exists for a reason, and firing upon them was well within his right, executing them however, was not. They'd be alive today had they not been fucking idiots and broken into someones home, and some crazy dude wouldn't be wasting our tax dollars rotting in jail.[/QUOTE] pretty much this Teens beyond 14 aren't little children, they should know full well not to break into a damned home, that should just be common sense as a "Well, maybe you should like just never do that ever"
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44720576]Maybe if we stop assuming the worst about people you wouldn't feel the need to shoot people who have broken in? [/QUOTE] I disagree with that train of thought. If someone has broken into my home the very fact that they broke into my home means they don't get any benefit of any doubt on anything. Even if 999,999 burglars out of every million isn't a crazed murderer, I DON'T want to be the victim of the one who is. Since the homeowner isn't the criminal in this scenario, then we should see it from the homeowner's point of view, not the criminal's POV. There is no upside to trusting a burglar to only want stuff. There is no downside to shooting the burglar in self defense. This is from the homeowner's perspective of course, from the criminal's perspective the downside is you die, but who other than the criminal gives a shit about that?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44720576]Maybe if we stop assuming the worst about people you wouldn't feel the need to shoot people who have broken in? Seriously, what is the statistical chance that your house has been broken into by a crazed murderer who wants nothing more than to cut your pretty little face (and your families faces too I guess)? It's pretty low, about 1.39% of murders are from burglaries gone awry, if I've worked out right anyway. And it's pretty hard to work out random break-in murders as that isn't categorised. Rather than living in constant fear that a statistically insignificant event might happen to you, and thinking that every human being who happens to break in to your house is an crazed axe murderer or something, why not think at least a bit rationally? If they haven't come straight up to you to kill you, they're probably just looking for shit to steal. And stolen shit isn't worth murdering over. Stats source: [URL]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls[/URL][/QUOTE] This is why, IMO, if you are going to defend your home, do it with a shotgun that makes a loud, unmistakable sound when you rack it. Doing that within earshot of an intruder will tell you whether that person is in the "broke into your house to kill you" minority. And if you really, really, feel like you have no choice but to shoot someone, make the first shell a beanbag. That should be enough to deal with just about anything, and carries the advantage of not blasting your own son open by mistake. Burglary is not punishable by death, so ordinary citizens should not be legally permitted to execute people for it. But they are, and they do, because they [I]want[/I] to. And now, with stand your ground laws, it doesn't even have to be in your own house. You can walk up to someone on the street in Florida, provoke them into a confrontation and assault them until they assault you back (again, a crime not punishable by death), and execute them for the "crime" of not shooting you first. This mentality is why I hate the NRA so much. It's not about self defense, it's about bloodlust. This is why the rest of the developed world sees us as backwards barbarians.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44721300]Being a teenager is an excuse to make dumb mistakes like: forgetting to walk the dog, and "oh shit, i didn't do my homework". Being a teenager isn't an excuse to break the law, nor is it an excuse to act like a god damned idiot. Terribly sorry I don't feel bad for 2 fucking idiots who broke in, thus putting themselves into the situation in the first place. Did they deserve to be executed? No. Did they deserve to be shot? Yes, the law exists for a reason, and firing upon them was well within his right, executing them however, was not. They'd be alive today had they not been fucking idiots and broken into someones home, and some crazy dude wouldn't be wasting our tax dollars rotting in jail.[/QUOTE] This is basically what i've been trying to say (not exact perfectly) but basically it. You just worded it better than I ever could.
Having your house broken into while you're at home alone is one of the most terrifying things that can happen to you. Having it happen multiple times would fuck you up so bad. It's not hard to see why the guy did what he did, though of course it's still wrong. The real fucked up thing here is those kids, though. What the hell moved them to break into this man's house multiple times (and apparently other people in the neighborhood as well)? I think when you're a burglar, death should be considered an occupational hazard.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44720361]The world could use a little more sympathizing and a little less labeling.[/QUOTE] It could use a hell of a lot more common sense, too.
[QUOTE=V12US;44721770] I think when you're a burglar, death should be considered an occupational hazard.[/QUOTE] This. How could you break into a home in ANY country and not expect to be attacked?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44721300]Being a teenager is an excuse to make dumb mistakes like: forgetting to walk the dog, and "oh shit, i didn't do my homework". Being a teenager isn't an excuse to break the law, nor is it an excuse to act like a god damned idiot. Terribly sorry I don't feel bad for 2 fucking idiots who broke in, thus putting themselves into the situation in the first place. Did they deserve to be executed? No. Did they deserve to be shot? Yes, the law exists for a reason, and firing upon them was well within his right, executing them however, was not. They'd be alive today had they not been fucking idiots and broken into someones home, and some crazy dude wouldn't be wasting our tax dollars rotting in jail.[/QUOTE] I can't think they're morons and feel sorry for them? You have a strange thought process.
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