Horrifying Audio of Man Killing Unarmed Teens Released By Court
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44724543]Not with the attitude of "think how I think or you're the equivalent to a murderer"
You tried to excuse their behavior with "oh lol teenagers are teens, they make mistakes" which is bullshit of the highest caliber.[/QUOTE]
No, I said teenagers tend to make more mistakes. I know it's not an excuse. I think what they did was incredibly stupid, but at the same time I feel sorry for them. Nobody deserves what they got.
Do you sympathize when a mentally handicapped person dies doing something stupid? Though I suppose we shouldn't turn this into a free will debate.
Well the good news is hes convicted of murder.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44724699]But generally no. I feel that if you're doing something stupid and you die in the process, you're typically doing the world a favor. Hopefully others will look at your stupid mistake and avoid making it.[/QUOTE]
that's a pretty fucked up way of looking at that hypothetical man
This guy is all sorts of fucked in the head. I mean, Jesus Christ... I kept expecting the recording to end, only for him to reveal how much more insane he could be.
After breaking into that guys house over 30 times, they should have expected some sort of retaliation, like the police arresting them. However, they shouldn't have been [i]killed[/i] for it at all. Having that guy execute them was a really stupid idea on his part, and it's safe to say that there were literally over 100 better ways this issue could have ended.
The general consensus appears to be " ;___; poor kids"
It doesn't matter if he waited for them or not, breaking into peoples house is a no-go, it can seriously fuck you up mentally. Why are you all downplaying this as "dumb teenagers doing dumb shit"?
I'm really confused. Wasn't he technically allowed to kill them by law because they were unknown threats if it wouldn't be for that creepy audio file?
I'm not saying you deserve to get shot when breaking into peoples homes but you are putting your life at stake. And thats a fact.
I'm sorry but the fact that they censored (in that case freeze and skip the "little blood omg scary ketchup" scenes) on the animation on youtube is funny as hell.
It's an animation
Animation are like games, people are uploading footage of some gory as fuck games on youtube meanwhile
Guys, It's really not that black and white.
On one hand, they were breaking into his property, and he has the right to defend himself, but on the other hand, he went out of his way to kill them when they were quite clearly incapacitated, when he could have called and waited for police, with a bullet in them, they wouldn't be going anywhere soon.
NO ONE IS IN THE RIGHT.
They signed away their right to not have violence used against them when they broke into his property; but the point where this becomes murder is when he goes out of his way to kill them, even when they were no longer a threat, instead of waiting for the police to show up to pick up the kids.
its not a case of who deserved to die and who didn't, its a case of cause and effect.
Burglary doesn't warrant execution under any sircumstances, but If you are going to break into some old guys house, over and over and over again, what effect do you think that's going to have on his mental state?
Your house is supposed to be a place of safety, security and peace of mind- not a place people can just waltz in and out of whenever they want.
If these people were prepared to break into his home *30 times* id imagine the fear of not being safe in his own home was pretty fucking intense.
If it was me, i obviously wouldn't have killed them- i would have called the police, but come on, these people were terrorizing this old man, is it any wonder he went fucking nuts?
The kids were stupid. They broke into a house.
The old dude's initial shots were justified.
His follow up shots were not.
He fucked up by executing them. Saying psychotic shit and recorded it. Hid the bodies in his basement over a day with tarp and not calling the police.
So, with all that in mind, I see no issue with his punishment. He went beyond the realm of self defense.
if the teens had guns,
this would have had no controversy
[QUOTE=HkSniper;44728949]The kids were stupid. They broke into a house.
[b]The old dude's initial shots were justified.[/b]
His follow up shots were not.
He fucked up by executing them. Saying psychotic shit and recorded it. Hid the bodies in his basement over a day with tarp and not calling the police.
So, with all that in mind, I see no issue with his punishment. He went beyond the realm of self defense.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, [b]no[/b]. His initial shots, along with his premeditated plan to wait and kill them after they entered was not justified. Sure, he went nuts from his home constantly being broken into, but that doesn't justify him just plain murdering them.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;44730085]if the teens had guns,
this would have had no controversy[/QUOTE]
And if the whole thing was still recorded with him saying the same crazy shit? I have a feeling there'd still be some degree of controversy.
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44724699]At that point I'm more concerned with what mentally handicapped person got away from their carekeeper for long enough to do something stupid.
But generally no. I feel that if you're doing something stupid and you die in the process, you're typically doing the world a favor. Hopefully others will look at your stupid mistake and avoid making it.[/QUOTE]
there's something wrong with you, you know that right
the mindset you've displayed in the thread is dangerously close to that of a sociopath I once associated with
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44716890]What makes people special? There's something like 7 billion of us, the loss of 2 isn't tragic on a grand scale at all.
People are selfish, stubborn, and foolish at best. The difference between dogs and humans is the fact that a human will argue with you for a bit before you shoot them in the face.
I'm not saying we should be running around executing people, but the whole "thinking everyone is special" is a joke. Special to their family, yes; special to humanity as a whole.. no, not at all.[/QUOTE]
holy fuck i knew there were some fucking socio/psychos on here but that is fucked up to the max son
like i have a friend who needed serious mental help who talked about shit just like that
[editline]5th May 2014[/editline]
like im being dead serious the guy went to a fucking clinic
I've been running through all sorts of Criminal Justice and Psychology courses over the last year or two and that's legitimately like a huge sociopathic sign, that shit you just said
[QUOTE=TAU!;44730090]Yeah, [b]no[/b]. His initial shots, along with his premeditated plan to wait and kill them after they entered was not justified. Sure, he went nuts from his home constantly being broken into, but that doesn't justify him just plain murdering them.[/QUOTE]
Do you have comprehension problems? HkSniper said that murdering them was wrong. The first shot on each of them would have legal precedent of self defense against an unknown intruder.
[QUOTE=darunner;44734339]Do you have comprehension problems? HkSniper said that murdering them was wrong. The first shot on each of them would have legal precedent of self defense against an unknown intruder.[/QUOTE]
Oh no, I understand that entirely, but his initial shots weren't justified as they were [i]part of his fucking plan to kill them[/i]. Of course, they were an unknown intruder and he had no idea if they were armed or not. Those shots would only be justified if all he did was do enough to subdue them and wait for the cops to come.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;44734226]A disproportionately high amount of sociopaths end up in positions of power so they must be doing something right.
[editline]6th May 2014[/editline]
You sure your friend wasn't just psychotic and not psychopathic? I don't think mental clinics would treat that kind of thing.[/QUOTE]
probably a little bit of both
psychopathy can't be cured and has no effective treatment to my knowledge
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;44734226]A disproportionately high amount of sociopaths end up in positions of power so they must be doing something right.[/QUOTE]
Not giving a fuck about other people frees up a lot of time to get shit done at the expense of having lacklustre social standing. It's not really doing something "right" as it is not doing something so badly that whatever you're doing fails.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;44734055]holy fuck i knew there were some fucking socio/psychos on here but that is fucked up to the max son
like i have a friend who needed serious mental help who talked about shit just like that
[editline]5th May 2014[/editline]
like im being dead serious the guy went to a fucking clinic
I've been running through all sorts of Criminal Justice and Psychology courses over the last year or two and that's legitimately like a huge sociopathic sign, that shit you just said[/QUOTE]
he is kind of right if you notice his focus on the "grand scale" part of his post
In the [I]grand scheme[/I] of things the deaths of these two aren't that important. Once this trial is over the vast majority of people wont even remember this event aside from (as ilikecorn noted) the families of those involved.
I mean 500 people on earth died in the time in took me to write this post, and I have a feeling that you probably dont [I]really[/I] care about the 4.17 people that die every second unless they have some direct relation to you.
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I mean thats not to say that what happened here isnt terrible, but Im willing to bet that aside from minor debate on an internet forum you arent going to do anything other than say "well that's sad" and move on with your life
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