Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump supports waterboarding and will move to end it's "status as a war crime
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[QUOTE=wystan;49693322]You can not know the desired information and still not be innocent. I said earlier, torturing a low level courier or militant won't net much.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
No, I was giving an example of advocating something but not enjoying it, chill.[/QUOTE]
[b]
TORTURING DOESNT NET YOU ANYTHING BECAUSE ITS BEEN PROVEN TO BE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AT DOING ITS JOB.[/b]
It has no other uses, it isnt practical, its immoral, its a shitty thing to do, and it violates basic human rights. Its not justifiable. Its not right. Its not useful. Its sole purpose is to get people off on pain and suffering and try to pass it off as patriotism.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49693353][b]
TORTURING DOESNT NET YOU ANYTHING BECAUSE ITS BEEN PROVEN TO BE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE AT DOING ITS JOB.[/b]
It has no other uses, it isnt practical, its immoral, its a shitty thing to do, and it violates basic human rights. Its not justifiable. Its not right. Its not useful. Its sole purpose is to get people off on pain and suffering and try to pass it off as patriotism.[/QUOTE]
true americans lop off brown people's toes with branch clippers, you fucking communist
[QUOTE=Damjen;49693344][URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yea, I'm none of these things within my community.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693359]Yea, I'm none of these things within my community.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you are.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693359]Yea, I'm none of these things within my community.[/QUOTE]
I guess that being completely amoral when it comes to "them" makes you a perfectly sane and normal human being then.
[sp]No it doesn't[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49693336]still waiting for all them other uses[/QUOTE]
Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil
[QUOTE=wystan;49693359]Yea, I'm none of these things within my community.[/QUOTE]
I like how you had to add "within my community"
You're basically admitting you have no sense of social responsibility when it comes to people you consider "outsiders".
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation[/QUOTE]
What in the fuck
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
it's literally not even remotely necessary or even useful as admitted by the CIA, the torturers, themselves
[QUOTE=wystan;49693298]That isn't true, I don't know why you all want to label and insult me so bad. I haven't done the same to you people. I don't enjoy human suffering, I'm not a sociopath. [B]I just value my country and the lives of my fellow citizens more than anything else[/B] and have absolutely no qualms usually whatever means to fight those who want to kills my countrymen.
Liberals trying to tell me about doublethink, that's rich.[/QUOTE]
Then you would be against torture because it weakens us in the eyes of our allies, hardens the resolve of our enemies, and provides bad intelligence.
like you're literally at the level of a small child screaming about how he's right and you're wrong, despite ample proof
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49693365]Yeah you are.[/QUOTE]
You're going to tell me? Ok. I'm not anti-social, not a criminal, I have empathy and sympathy for literally everyone who isn't determined to kill me and my fellow citizens.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
Holy shit are you from Air Strip One? What fucking Orwellian nightmare did i walk into.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
Reeducation what the fuck
Do you think if a country tortures someone enough it will make the person like the country?
Propaganda usage, yeah, for the enemy.
I'm glad you added punishment in there because that's the only real reason you support torture. All the other reasons are just excuses you're trying to come up with so that you can tell yourself it's not just a matter of hatred.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49693379]Then you would be against torture because it weakens us in the eyes of our allies, hardens the resolve of our enemies, and provides bad intelligence.[/QUOTE]
This is why it should remain clandestine. And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
How are you not immoral when you actively deny the information of tortureres just so you can argue it's a "necessary evil"
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wystan;49693382]You're going to tell me? Ok. I'm not anti-social, not a criminal, I have empathy and sympathy for literally everyone who isn't determined to kill me and my fellow citizens.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wystan;49693393]This is why it should remain clandestine. And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.[/QUOTE]
Do you read 1984 as an instructional handbook.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
"It's not right" immediately following a list of times when it's totally right to torture people.
You can't make this shit up. This threads wild.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49693391]Reeducation what the fuck
Do you think if a country tortures someone enough it will make the person like the country?
Propaganda usage, yeah, for the enemy.
I'm glad you added punishment in there because that's the only real reason you support torture. All the other reasons are just excuses you're trying to come up with so that you can tell yourself it's not just a matter of hatred.[/QUOTE]
He asked for other uses. I don't agree with some of those uses, but he wanted others, as grim as they might be. Also, excuse me for hating people who want to kill you, me, and everyone single American I've ever known, just because we happen to be American.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693382]You're going to tell me? Ok. I'm not anti-social, not a criminal, I have empathy and sympathy for literally everyone who isn't determined to kill me and my fellow citizens.[/QUOTE]
No you fucking don't
You literally think it's okay to torture people who don't know anything because you can't tell the difference between good and bad Intel until you move on it.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693393]This is why it should remain clandestine. And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.[/QUOTE]
you're saying to secretly "reeducate" people by torturing them
Did Kim Jong-Un make a facepunch account?
[QUOTE=wystan;49693393][B]This is why it should remain clandestine.[/B] And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.[/QUOTE]
The government shouldn't keep information relating to citizens clandestine. Ever.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49693407]you're saying to secretly "reeducate" people by torturing them
Did Kim Jong-Un make a facepunch account?[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's what he's saying, actually
I'm not sure where you pulled that from.
[QUOTE=phygon;49693410]The government shouldn't keep information relating to citizens clandestine. Ever.[/QUOTE]
The torture is fine as long as [I]don't know about it[/I] though
that makes it all fine
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49693404]No you fucking don't
You literally think it's okay to torture people who don't know anything because you can't tell the difference between good and bad Intel until you move on it.[/QUOTE]
That can be said about all intel ever, if I ask you where the nearest gas station is, I won't know until I go check myself.
[QUOTE=phygon;49693410]The government shouldn't keep information relating to citizens clandestine. Ever.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
I don't think that's what he's saying, actually
I'm not sure where you pulled that from.[/QUOTE]
He says a use of torture should be to reeducate, and that torture should be hidden from the citizens, make of that what you will
[quote=George Orwell's "1984"]“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”
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I feel like this is relevant right about now.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693393]This is why it should remain clandestine. And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.[/QUOTE]
They are aware of the possibility. That's why they said torture doesn't work. Because more often than not it provides bad intel. But you don't believe that.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693403]He asked for other uses. I don't agree with some of those uses, but he wanted others, as grim as they might be. Also, excuse me for hating people who want to kill you, me, and everyone single American I've ever known, just because we happen to be American.[/QUOTE]
You ever think that maybe some of them want to kill Americans because America fucking tortures people and people like you are OK with it?
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment.[/quote]
"reeducation", so, brainwashing - citation pls
"imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape", crippling someone is no excuse for not running a secure jail, also citation pls that this has ever been a goal of torture by US officials under any circumstance whatsoever even once since 1990.
"propaganda usage", oh my god did you just legit say that
"punishment", here we go, the real truth comes out. no citation needed.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
You heard it here, folks. wystan supports an evil America. Congratulations, wystan, you support becoming the villain. God fucking bless America.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693393]This is why it should remain clandestine. And the bad intel part, it's not like the CIA isn't aware of this possibility.[/QUOTE]
And make sure you cover up your evil acts, too. AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREE (because we secretly torture brown people elsewhere)
[QUOTE=wystan;49693403]He asked for other uses. I don't agree with some of those uses, but he wanted others, as grim as they might be. Also, excuse me for hating people who want to kill you, me, and everyone single American I've ever known, just because we happen to be American.[/QUOTE]
Tell me, how are you ever going to make an enemy a friend by hurting them?
Tell me, how are you ever going to use fear as a tool of propaganda without incurring more harm to your own men in the process(through retaliation)
Tell me, how is punishment in a clandestine environment away from trials, judges, and basic civil decency [B]IN ANY WAY A NECESSARY EVIL[/B]
And then tell me, please fucking tell me, how you're not a sociopath with similar levels of "morals" as to the people who you want to torture
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