Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump supports waterboarding and will move to end it's "status as a war crime
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[QUOTE=phygon;49693410]The government shouldn't keep information relating to citizens clandestine. Ever.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
I don't think that's what he's saying, actually
I'm not sure where you pulled that from.[/QUOTE]
Well torture isn't done on citizens, that whole 8th amendment and all. And every government does clandestine stuff, there are a lot of things the public is better off not knowing, the phrase "what you don't know won't hurt you" comes to mind, not saying I agree with it, but I get it.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
as shown by all these countries that failed from not torturing enough people:
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49693431]You ever think that maybe some of them want to kill Americans because America fucking tortures people and people like you are OK with it?[/QUOTE]
Well then we see each other as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants?
[QUOTE=wystan;49693418]That can be said about all intel ever, if I ask you where the nearest gas station is, I won't know until I go check myself.[/QUOTE]
But you just asked me, you didn't have to violate me, my person, to do so
a vastly different scenario
also, you can just google it. this is exactly the quality of info torturing produces. nothing.
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=wystan;49693447]Well then we see each other as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants?[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking trolling with this shit?
All we have to do is have you grow up in Syria, and not the USA, and you'd be a full fledged ISIL combatant.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693443]Well torture isn't done on citizens, that whole 8th amendment and all. And every government does clandestine stuff, there are a lot of things the public is better off not knowing, the phrase "what you don't know won't hurt you" comes to mind, not saying I agree with it, but I get it.[/QUOTE]
NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS THING *spends five pages explaining why he agrees with this thing*
[QUOTE=wystan;49693443]Well torture isn't done on citizens, that whole 8th amendment and all. And every government does clandestine stuff, there are a lot of things the public is better off not knowing, the phrase "what you don't know won't hurt you" comes to mind, not saying I agree with it, but I get it.[/QUOTE]
what you don't know can certainly hurt you, the fact you're parroting that without thinking about it is very telling about the limit of how much you actually want to think about this.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
I hope you aren't an extremist against gays as well
Because torture had been used for gay reeducation. There is no value in torture based reeducation outside if religious extremism
That's the one big thing its been used for. And being used for shit like that alone should be a sign of WHY its not ok
[QUOTE=wystan;49693447]Well then we see each other as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants?[/QUOTE]
American patriots == muslim extremists
Fucking fantastic.
I'm going to have that post printed on acid-free paper and preserved in cold storage in an underground vault, pressed between one-ton blocks of steel, so that generations from now, people can pinpoint when modern civilization collapsed into freefall towards nuclear armageddon.
You belong in an alternate draft of the backstory to Fallout, man.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49693413]The torture is fine as long as [I]don't know about it[/I] though
that makes it all fine[/QUOTE]
I was saying the [I]literal [/I]opposite. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm agreeing with your side here.
if Wystan was born in the middle east, he'd join ISIL, and he'd be parroting the [B]exact same fucking rhetoric[/B]
How fucking scary is that
[QUOTE=Cone;49693455]NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS THING *spends five pages explaining why he agrees with this thing*[/QUOTE]
I was referring to the government keeping secrets from its citizens. It would be nice if they didn't have to.
[QUOTE=phygon;49693465]I was saying the [I]literal [/I]opposite. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm agreeing with your side here.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about wystan
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation[/QUOTE]
I missed this the first time, actually.
What do you mean reeducation? What would need to be reeducated?
Terrorists who are hesitant to kill innocents are told all of the same things you are repeating in this topic. "It's a necessary evil" "It's needed" "It's not nice but it's effective" "The people support a government that tortures innocents, and gives Israel bombs to drop on Palestine, they deserve it"
You are not any better than the people who support ISIS.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49693473]I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about wystan[/QUOTE]
my bad
[QUOTE=wystan;49693443]Well torture isn't done on citizens, that whole 8th amendment and all. And every government does clandestine stuff, there are a lot of things the public is better off not knowing, the phrase "what you don't know won't hurt you" comes to mind, not saying I agree with it, but I get it.[/QUOTE]
i thought your avatar was supposed to be ironic or something but i guess not
Yo Wystan.
Legit.
You're fucked up.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693470]I was referring to the government keeping secrets from its citizens. It would be nice if they didn't have to.[/QUOTE]
You just supported secret government torture tho
[QUOTE=J!NX;49693459]I hope you aren't an extremist against gays as well
Because torture had been used for gay reeducation. There is no value in torture based reeducation outside if religious extremism
That's the one big thing its been used for. And being used for shit like that alone should be a sign of WHY its not ok[/QUOTE]
Nah, any man, woman, or anything between or outside of should be able to get married or whatever.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49693468]if Wystan was born in the middle east, he'd join ISIL, and he'd be parroting the [B]exact same fucking rhetoric[/B]
How fucking scary is that[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty grim thought
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49693486]Yo Wystan.
Legit.
You're fucked up.[/QUOTE]
99.999999999% of the time when people post shit like this I roll my eyes and go "don't go down that fucking road"
but this is the one time where I really think "yeah this is probably true"
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;49693491]That's a pretty grim thought[/QUOTE]
It is but it's true, and I don't think Wystan can argue with that without backpedalling over every previous statement he's made.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693368]Reeducation, imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape, propaganda usage, punishment. Again, not saying it's right, but a necessary evil[/QUOTE]
Punishment and reeducation - Can be done without inhumane practices
Imprisonment with a lesser chance of escape - What kind of reason is this? What thought could've been possibly going through your head? When you don't want your prisoners to escape, you don't think "better facilities", you think fucking torture?
Propaganda usage - [I]You literally just said that CIA fabricated data so as not to support torture[/I]
I've seen a lot of crazy shit on SH, but I've never seen anyone straight up defend and even advocate the government secretly torturing quite possibly innocent people because they [I]might[/I] be terrorists and [I]might[/I] have valuble information
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49693494]99.999999999% of the time when people post shit like this I roll my eyes and go "don't go down that fucking road"
but this is the one time where I really think "yeah this is probably true"
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
It is but it's true, and I don't think Wystan can argue with that without backpedalling over every previous statement he's made.[/QUOTE]
Back to insulting me, I don't understand why you all do that. I just love my country and those I share it with, and I don't care for those who wish to end it.
Oh and like elix said, "reeducation" through physical and mental torture is called brainwashing
I would love to see a real torture victim read this thread and respond to all of rhis
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49693500]I've seen a lot of crazy shit on SH, but I've never seen anyone straight up defend and even advocate the government secretly torturing quite possibly innocent people because they [I]might[/I] be terrorists and [I]might[/I] have valuble information[/QUOTE]
AGAIN, like I said earlier, ideally the CIA would be more competent and this wouldn't happen to innocents.
Why is, "It's good enough for isis, it's good enough for me!" an acceptable reasoning for literally anything?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49693522]Oh and like elix said, "reeducation" through physical and mental torture is called brainwashing[/QUOTE]
Exactly the shit the Nazis used
And this isn't a bad Godwin either. It fits
[QUOTE=wystan;49693528]AGAIN, like I said earlier, ideally the CIA would be more competent and this wouldn't happen to innocents.[/QUOTE]
also, we don't live in an ideal world.
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