Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump supports waterboarding and will move to end it's "status as a war crime
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[QUOTE=wystan;49693528]AGAIN, like I said earlier, ideally the CIA would be more competent and this wouldn't happen to innocents.[/QUOTE]
But you're ignoring the fact that it [I]would[/I] happen to innocents, no government entity has ever been 100% competant in weeding the innocent out from the guilty
so thinking realistically, knowing that some innocents [I]would unavoidably be tortured[/I], do you still advocate it?
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;49693531]Exactly the shit the Nazis used
And this isn't a bad Godwin either. It fits[/QUOTE]
This thread really brings out the rarities in arguments
1984 comparisons? normally insane, here, valid
Nazi comparisons? normally overused, here, very valid
[QUOTE=wystan;49693521]Back to insulting me, I don't understand why you all do that. I just love my country and those I share it with, and I don't care for those who wish to end it.[/QUOTE]
This has [B]nothing[/B] to do with insulting you, and everything to do with taking your opinions that you have stated here with aplomb, and comparing them to the people you yourself want to kill, and have tortured.
I will take the time tonight to go through all your posts in this thread, and compile them into a list of things, and I will cross check that with the things you personally think about the enemy as posted here, and you know what we'll all fucking see?
How you are shockingly similar to the people you hate, and want to protect yourself from, and the disturbing limits you'll go to for that.
You've already admitted the government should be able to secretly torture pretty much anyone they want. You're a scary person.
[QUOTE=Xain777;49693532]also, we don't live in an ideal world.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but doesn't mean things can't be improved.
Alright y'all I legit have to go to work now, which funny enough is a nice public job dependent on me being nice, sociable, and charismatic, which I do quite well. I've enjoyed this conversation and bought some lovely variety to a normal SH thread, we can continue this later maybe. Enjoy the superbowl or whatever :)
[QUOTE=wystan;49693528]AGAIN, like I said earlier, ideally the CIA would be more competent and this wouldn't happen to innocents.[/QUOTE]
So you need to torture people who may be innocent so that the CIA can torture the guilty
[QUOTE=wystan;49693528]AGAIN, like I said earlier, ideally the CIA would be more competent and this wouldn't happen to innocents.[/QUOTE]
But with the arguments [B]YOU[/B] laid out in this thread, that's just an acceptable risk that has to be taken to deal with the enemy.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49693524]I would love to see a real torture victim read this thread and respond to all of rhis[/QUOTE]
I would be embarrassed as fuck on behalf of all of humanity if an actual torture victim knew this thread existed.
guys just ignore the crazy person
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49693554]guys just ignore the crazy person[/QUOTE]
But it's fun to watch him argue in circles :cry:
[QUOTE=wystan;49693541]I agree, but doesn't mean things can't be improved.
Alright y'all I legit have to go to work now, which funny enough is a nice public job dependent on me being nice, sociable, and charismatic, which I do quite well. I've enjoyed this conversation and bought some lovely variety to a normal SH thread, we can continue this later maybe. Enjoy the superbowl or whatever :)[/QUOTE]
Sociopaths are actually famously noted to be incredibly skilled and adept at social interaction, they just have no moral compass beyond any of that!
Funny how much you keep lining up with that definition...
to take the conversation away for a minute, isn't it illegal to advocate criminal behavior? why isn't it illegal to say that you are going to invalidate fundamental treaties and re-institute one of the most barbaric practices humanity has ever come up with?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49693558]But it's fun to watch him argue in circles :cry:[/QUOTE]
You all are no different tbh
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49693562]Sociopaths are actually famously noted to be incredibly skilled and adept at social interaction, they just have no moral compass beyond any of that!
Funny how much you keep lining up with that definition...[/QUOTE]
Nice.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693570]You all are no different tbh
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
Nice.[/QUOTE]
Your stated views in this thread aren't even self consistent
Seriously you have no legs to stand on when you say we argue in circles.
[QUOTE=Xain777;49693568]to take the conversation away for a minute, isn't it illegal to advocate criminal behavior? why isn't it illegal to say that you are going to invalidate fundamental treaties and re-institute one of the most barbaric practices humanity has ever come up with?[/QUOTE]
I think it is, but A. he's Donald Trump and makes more money in a year than 3 generations of any of families will make in their lives, and B. it would probably be a long drawn out court case debating free speech and stuff and I doubt anyone even has the resources to pursue it
[QUOTE=IJNOMED;49693273]Waterboarding will kill you.
[B]I repeat. IT WILL KILL YOU.[/B]
It simulates drowning.
Water cure (which is another form of water torture) can lead to water intoxication or ruptured organs, most if not all forms of torture will kill a person before you get the information out of them. It's just fucked up, you could get the same result by punching them in the face.[/QUOTE]
not if it's done correctly
[QUOTE=butre;49693609]not if it's done correctly[/QUOTE]
So if you fuck up brutally injuring someone both physically and mentally, you might kill them? Boy, who would've guessed
sounds to me like we shouldn't do it at all
it's pretty hard to fuck up though.
not saying it doesn't suck, just saying it won't kill you
Trump scraping the bottom of the barrel so hard he's gone right through the barrel and into a pile of shit.
[QUOTE=butre;49693638]it's pretty hard to fuck up though.
not saying it doesn't suck, just saying it won't kill you[/QUOTE]
it's actually really easy to fuck up pouring water over a cloth into a guys face until he dies
it's really easy
I'd just like to point out that ad-hominem attacks are unwarranted and aren't needed to win this argument. Attacking someone's character is unnecessary, especially when it's like 20 people versus 1. It's just not fair. Additionally, if you insult him, he will never change his opinion and become more entrenched in it.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693570]You all are no different tbh
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You never answered earlier, what would need to be "reeducated" in civilians?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49693645]it's actually really easy to fuck up pouring water over a cloth into a guys face until he dies
it's really easy[/QUOTE]
2 steps will prevent deaths
1: make sure the victim's feet are elevated
2: if they pass out, stop
any further deaths could only be attributed to something like shock
again not saying it doesn't suck, just that if done properly isn't fatal
[QUOTE=wystan;49693570]You all are no different tbh
[editline]7th February 2016[/editline]
Nice.[/QUOTE]
Read the motherfucking Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture. Educate yourself.
If you're too fucking busy to read shit that might make you a more sane individual, key points:
1: "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" never worked effectively, never lead to any useful information, and killed at least one detainee.
2: The CIA lied to the government and claimed that their interrogations had provided accurate information, which had in every case been acquired before the interrogations had been carried out.
3: The use of torture was completely unjustified, failed to justify itself, and has harmed the US's standing with its citizens and with other nations.
4: Many of the detainees were actually innocent of any wrongdoing, some having been put in the black sites by deliberate misinformation obtained through the confessions of other detainees: i.e., torture does not make people tell the truth.
[editline]8th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=butre;49693711]2 steps will prevent deaths
1: make sure the victim's feet are elevated
2: if they pass out, stop[/QUOTE]
Or just don't do it because every reputable study has shown that torture doesn't fucking work like that.
[QUOTE=butre;49693711]2 steps will prevent deaths
1: make sure the victim's feet are elevated
2: if they pass out, stop
any further deaths could only be attributed to something like shock
again not saying it doesn't suck, just that if done properly isn't fatal[/QUOTE]
yes we get it you want to show off the great achievement that is knowing the specifics of water boarding
good job thanks bye
I doubt this is his genuine opinion. The media hasn't had a great deal of reason to talk about him in the past few days, so he gave them one as the media is his main platform of advertisement.
If you were a soldier in the army, and a foreign govermnet you were at war with captured you and tied you to a table and made you choke and feel like you were drowning, and you nearly die... would you still advocate torture???
[QUOTE=IJNOMED;49693806]If you were a soldier in the army, and a foreign govermnet you were at war with captured you and tied you to a table and made you choke and feel like you were drowning, and you nearly die... would you still advocate torture???[/QUOTE]
Oh, I already proposed a hypothetical to him. He deflected it entirely.
[QUOTE=wystan;49692910]Yea, I'm not worried[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Britain;49693766]I doubt this is his genuine opinion. The media hasn't had a great deal of reason to talk about him in the past few days, so he gave them one as the media is his main platform of advertisement.[/QUOTE]
So it's pretty much
"i was trolling you all along" just for presidential campaign of the most powerful and rich nation to ever exist on planet earth?
Jokes on you, trump was only pretending to be retarded
To paraphrase Fox News's Shepard Smith, "This is America, we don't fucking torture."
An insigna of a facist, orwellian, inhuman empire with an american flag pattern, couldn't possibly be a more fitting avatar.
[QUOTE=wystan;49693298]I just value my country and the lives of my fellow citizens more than anything else and have absolutely no qualms usually whatever means to fight those who want to kills my countrymen.
Liberals trying to tell me about doublethink, that's rich.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wystan;49693000]Gonna speak for all waterboarded persons? Again, I have no sympathy for those who want to kill me and my countrymen.[/QUOTE]
tbh reading through it
wrystan you really are a disgrace to the entirety of American philosophy
you are exactly the type of person the founding fathers, and the US constitution, wants to stop.
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