• Afghan boy killed 4 French soldiers because of US Marines urinating video
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[QUOTE=usaokay;34347426]Dumbest post of this month. I mean, GOD DAMN, that post is simply IGNORANT.[/QUOTE] Thank you.
to be honest i would take a huge steaming shit on the corpse of a man that shot my squad mate
If anybody's interested, this is the second documentary. It's incredibly interesting and you'd be a fool to not watch it. [url]http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2011/09/01/3307694.htm[/url] It's focused on Australian soldiers but the kill-capture tactic is universal so it's applicable to more than just Australian people. I do not believe the forces in Afghanistan are evil, and I think that this shit is mostly the crazies you get in war (whether that can be rectified by better training or selecting is up to debate but anyway), but I vehemently believe that some of the ways western forces go about peacekeeping is way too hurried and definitely way too trigger-happy. [release][sub]MATTHEW CARNEY: And this appears to have happened on the 17th September, 2008 when the Australian Special forces killed one of their key allies, local police chief and tribal elder Rozi Khan. For the first time Four Corners can reveal the full story. Khushal Khan was with his father on the night of his death. Rozi Khan had just received a panicked call from his good friend KHUSHAL KHAN, FRIEND (Subtitles): He called saying that the Taliban are here. Get yourselves here. We told him we were on our way. MATTHEW CARNEY: Rozi Khan didn't hesitate. He gathered his gun and some men and headed to the village of Sarsha Kala, about five kilometres from Tarin Kowt. KHUSAL KHAN (Subtitles): We got off here and we went to the fighting scene. MATTHEW CARNEY: The figures firing in the dark were in fact Australian Special Forces, not the Taliban. They'd come to the village to kill or capture a Taliban commander, code named Musket, but they were in the wrong place. The elite commandos had no idea that the man in their sites was actually Rozi Khan. KHUSAL KHAN (Subtitles): Our father came and we all stopped here, then the Australians fired on us from that direction. MATTHEW CARNEY: Rozi took a bullet in the chest and died soon after. The Australians did their own investigation and it cleared the Special Forces of any wrong doing saying it was a "tragic mistake". But one of Australia's strongest supporters, and a vehemently anti-Taliban tribal leader was dead. Rozi Khan was also Oruzgan's first democratically elected leader. His death was a serious blow to Australia's mission. DAOUD MOHAMMAD, SON (Subtitles): People hated the Australians because they have killed our leader who was not only a tribal leader but was our commander during the Jihad. People say if they had destroyed the whole province of Oruzgan we would have not suffered as much as by killing our leader and our protector.[/sub][/release] The context of the above is pretty transparent - Mattiullah Khan, another person vying for power, orchestrated the above to get Rozi Khan, a progressive, anti-taliban leader, killed in a horrible accident. Shortly after his death, he rose to power as the tribal leader. So, because of an intelligence failure, in less than a day you've had a transition from a good leader to a corrupt one with a list of allegations including double-dealings with the taliban, drug running and torture. This, not things like pissing on corpses, is what's losing America, Australia, etc, the war on terror, and should be regarded very seriously.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34344256]I'll give you that, but what people here in america don't understand is that these are the realities of war.[/QUOTE] the realities of something stupid, unnecessary, and man-made.
[QUOTE=Clementine;34345230]Yeah because the US army uses car bombs in heavily populated areas right? [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] You guys don't understand something, these terrorists/insurgents will likely go on to kill DOZENS of civilians in their lifetime, they are despicable, and to piss on them is what they deserve. They are murderous monsters, they deserve no respect.[/QUOTE] Are you fucking retarded? Whether or not they would kill dozens of civilians doesnt fucking justify pissing on corpses. By your logic, the pilots who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be killed and pissed on, without any respect. Or the American apache pilots who attacked and destroyed that van with civilians and children inside it that was going to drop said children off at school. But I bet you wouldn't want that because they're american. Fucking hypocrit.
[QUOTE=Scot;34344303]So pissing on dead people is acceptable.[/QUOTE] lol so much hyperbole in this thread
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;34344408]Don't become a soldier if you can't handle the horrific reality of it.[/QUOTE] So the reality of it is pissing on the bodies of the dead? Yea okay. No idea what kind of fucked up soldiers you talk to but if I saw someone doing that I'd beat the shit out of them and take the court martial with a grin.
And this is why I endorse this guy : [img]http://photo.lejdd.fr/media/images/politique/francois-hollande13/4061721-1-fre-FR/Francois-Hollande_pics_390.jpg[/img] He looks like a carebear on crack but at least he has some good plans for France, including getting us the hell out of Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=archangel125;34345333]Good job, you can watch Fox News. Do you want a medal or something for having propaganda do all your thinking for you?[/QUOTE] You are honestly implying that the insurgents/terrorists do not use car bombs? Do you think Fox News and every other news source lies about the car bombs that kill 50 fucking CIVILIANS? Despicable human. [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Araknid;34351170]Are you fucking retarded? Whether or not they would kill dozens of civilians doesnt fucking justify pissing on corpses. By your logic, the pilots who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be killed and pissed on, without any respect. Or the American apache pilots who attacked and destroyed that van with civilians and children inside it that was going to drop said children off at school. But I bet you wouldn't want that because they're american. Fucking hypocrit.[/QUOTE] You are being a stupid ass, presuming things about me that you don't know, presuming I think in a very immature and hypocritical manner. The people who did Hiroshima and Nagasaki were following orders, and the Apache pilots are terrible, and deserve to punished, but not killed. Killing is never right except in the defense of other humans, they aren't even the same concepts because those people's danger is over with. Get over yourself, you presumptuous ass, you embarrass yourself. [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34345825][citation needed] Besides that, you're making a horribly large generalization and because of that, I can easily look at your post and just "dumb" it. Because that's ALL it is. Dumbness.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=car+bombs#q=car+bombs+afghanistan&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=7fUcT6XlFcrKiQKSxeDSCA&ved=0CEUQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=eb059c120a83e397&biw=1920&bih=955[/url] There's your sources and citations. How are you even denying the fact that they put car bombs in heavily populated areas? [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34345825][citation needed] Besides that, you're making a horribly large generalization and because of that, I can easily look at your post and just "dumb" it. Because that's ALL it is. Dumbness.[/QUOTE] Yes huge generalizations I know, but the force at face value is disgusting, car bombs all around...are just simply, not respectable. I know there are bad things done by the US military, but not in the same volume at all, and the US military doesn't even condone it, but many of the insurgents do, as evidenced by how many fucking times a week we get a report of 30 civilians dying by a car bomb/suicide bomb, many of them do condone suicide bombings, murdering civilians, and other terrible shit.
[QUOTE] An amateur video filmed in Afghanistan, showing four young Marines uniformed American, hilarious[/QUOTE] wat [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34344680]First result on Google. It was quite popular up until the end of the Vietnam engagement.[/QUOTE] he's saying it wasn't popular to the civilians back home, as in they didn't support it.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;34351413]So the reality of it is pissing on the bodies of the dead? Yea okay. No idea what kind of fucked up soldiers you talk to but if I saw someone doing that I'd beat the shit out of them and take the court martial with a grin.[/QUOTE] You talk like this stuff never happens and this was the first time it has. This shit happens all the time, its just most soldiers are smart enough to not to video tape it and release it on the web. Not saying all soldiers do it, but then again not all soldiers are in the thick of it as well. As civilians you have NO idea whats going on over there, what it feels like to be out there, or have any idea how to remotely handle all the stress and situations soldiers get placed. While I'm not trying to justify their actions, if I was put in the same situations a lot of my friends have been put in I wouldn't put it past them.
But people also need to understand that as part of their job they are expected to conduct themselves better than this and that justifying it with the stress of war doesn't hold when other soldiers and high ranking officials say that this is deplorable behavior and punishment is necessary, not even necessarily for the morality of it, but because in a war in which you are occupying a country each soldier is a diplomat.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34352949]You talk like this stuff never happens and this was the first time it has. This shit happens all the time, its just most soldiers are smart enough to not to video tape it and release it on the web. Not saying all soldiers do it, but then again not all soldiers are in the thick of it as well. As civilians you have NO idea whats going on over there, what it feels like to be out there, or have any idea how to remotely handle all the stress and situations soldiers get placed. While I'm not trying to justify their actions, if I was put in the same situations a lot of my friends have been put in I wouldn't put it past them.[/QUOTE] I don't believe what you do out there is for the best. Brave sure but pointless.
The four Marines shouldn't have done what they did. If I was their commanding officer, I wouldn't let them live this down. They're doing a shitty job representing us. However this doesn't mean it's fine that the afghan guy kills four other people. I don't mean to imply he shouldn't have reacted negatively or something, but he was showing the exact same lack of restraint that the four Marines did. He has a reason for doing what he did, but not an excuse or justification.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;34353001]But people also need to understand that as part of their job they are expected to conduct themselves better than this and that justifying it with the stress of war doesn't hold when other soldiers and high ranking officials say that this is deplorable behavior and punishment is necessary, not even necessarily for the morality of it, but because in a war in which you are occupying a country each soldier is a diplomat.[/QUOTE] It is deplorable, but you have to realize the psychological aspects to it. How does one own his enemy? By viewing him as less than what you are. These things are drilled into our heads when we prepare for combat, and it is unleashed while in combat. That coupled with the stresses of a war zone makes a bad combination of a mental state. I've had a lot of buddies come back mentally disturbed. The issue is not necessarily punishment, but rehabilitation.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34350205]the realities of something stupid, unnecessary, and man-made.[/QUOTE] war is the reality of man
my brother is in afghanistan :C We're not even actual french (immigrants, he is not originally part of the french army) and his superiors send him there serving for the french army :C
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;34344092]A video of some soldiers pissing on a corpse does not drive you to commit blind murder. He obviously had been contemplating this for some time.[/QUOTE] You're probably right.
maybe usa should get the fuck out of there for once.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34349558]Yes blame the marines. Killing four men and wounding many others over some corpses being peed on is totally a reasonable response and not at all batshit crazy. It isn't like NATO corpses are chopped up and beheaded any chance they get or anything. Peeing on the corpses was wrong and stupid, but fuck whoever says it was their fault that this happened. It was the fault of the dumb little shit that shot the soldiers.[/QUOTE] And antagonizing people living there has nothing to do with unrest. Nope. The more you anger the locals off and treat them like shit (or urinals) the more they will want you out of there. And I'm not saying that this shooting is a direct result of the marines pissing on dead soldiers. But saying it has nothing to do with it is wrong too. People living there can stop tolerating the coalition forces pretty fast if you piss them off too much.
[QUOTE=Onirik;34355042]my brother is in afghanistan :C We're not even actual french (immigrants, he is not originally part of the french army) and his superiors send him there serving for the french army :C[/QUOTE] Foreign legion? [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] Also, this is pretty much the same as the christian pastor trying to burn the Quran. The insurgents killed several NATO people in retaliation
To be honest I feel that everyone in this situation is being dumb. The soldiers obviously shouldn't have pissed on some corpses, and this Afghan kid shouldn't have killed anyone (though his reaction is certainly understandable). Poorly thought-out moves all-round.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34349558]Yes blame the marines. Killing four men and wounding many others over some corpses being peed on is totally a reasonable response and not at all batshit crazy. It isn't like NATO corpses are chopped up and beheaded any chance they get or anything. Peeing on the corpses was wrong and stupid, but fuck whoever says it was their fault that this happened. It was the fault of the dumb little shit that shot the soldiers.[/QUOTE] /thread
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