• Nevada Prison To Charge Prisoners For Food and Healthcare
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[QUOTE=turd dad;43851789]The world is shit for everyone, you don't see me going around robbing people. [editline]9th February 2014[/editline] Head to any church and they'll be happy to feed you, clothe you, and bathe you. There's absolutely no excuse to steal.[/QUOTE] not in places that are so socioeconomically fucked that churches won't even go there [editline]9th February 2014[/editline] i know fp hates it, but just the fact that you are literally able to post on fp unhindered means you're already privileged not in the SJW sense, but in the fact that you have more options
What happens to the prisoners who aren't very well off or don't have family to provide for them?
[QUOTE=turd dad;43851789]The world is shit for everyone, you don't see me going around robbing people.[/QUOTE] You have access to a computer so I assume you have a roof over your head, a stable income (or your parents have a stable income) and a half decent education behind you. Your ignorance is showing if you think that your life is comparable to somebody who has to resort to crime in order to survive. [QUOTE=turd dad;43851789] Head to any church and they'll be happy to feed you, clothe you, and bathe you. There's absolutely no excuse to steal.[/QUOTE] Churches only have so much to give, as do city missions and all the rest of it. If church charity are such an efficient and magical solution to poverty then why is homelessness still such a big issue? Your probs a white dude too like most of us here, so you have an inherent social leg-up when it comes to future opportunities
[QUOTE=turd dad;43851789]The world is shit for everyone, you don't see me going around robbing people.[/QUOTE] That's because you were never put into a situation where you had to.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43850292]Disgusting. What the fuck were you thinking when you posted this?[/QUOTE] Probably Ron Paul quotes
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;43851920]What happens to the prisoners who aren't very well off or don't have family to provide for them?[/QUOTE] they get arrested for their debt duh it's a perfect system!
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43851983]they get arrested for their debt duh it's a perfect system![/QUOTE] imagine serving life for eating all those pudding desserts
Some States in the USA are worse than a lot of third-world countries in terms of the level of corruption and human rights violations.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;43852001]imagine serving life for eating all those pudding desserts[/QUOTE] The perfect crime.
I think if you're sentenced to life or something like that, then maybe, sure. Or a child rapist, sex offender and that lot but if you were in jail because of a minor offense, then I don't think it'd be necessary
[QUOTE=Covalency;43852028]I think if you're sentenced to life or something like that, then maybe, sure. Or a child rapist, sex offender and that lot but if you were in jail because of a minor offense, then I don't think it'd be necessary[/QUOTE] no it really shouldn't matter everyone should be entitled to basic human rights meaning food and healthcare
And it's all irrelevant anyway because 85% of prisoners are incarcerated for drugs or public order offenses, with another 8% for violence. Only around 5 or 6 percent of criminals are in for property theft.
[QUOTE=turd dad;43851789]The world is shit for everyone, you don't see me going around robbing people.[/quote] yes, obviously everyone suffers equally. it's not like there's people starving or anything. it's not like people are born in different places with different opportunities, not at all. [quote]Head to any church and they'll be happy to feed you, clothe you, and bathe you. There's absolutely no excuse to steal.[/QUOTE] as if churches have the resources to take in every single person who comes through their door?
Big dude. Six five, two hundred pounds. Black. From the inner city. Everybody shuffles their feet around him. He's got that look. He's seen shit. He's been places you don't wanna find. This guy grew up in a broken home in the slums. Dad beat him every day of the week. Mother ditched when he was three. Family's all poor, hooked on scripts. He didn't graduate, not because he didn't try, but because he had a learning disability that kept him from being able to read. They all called him retarded, but he knew different. He's just tryin' to get by. He don't wanna hurt nobody, but he has no job. Nobody hires a guy like him. No skills, no house, no shower, dirty clothes. This dude's a bum, and he knows it. If he's gonna get from today to tomorrow, he's gotta take action. If he was in the country, maybe it'd be different. Maybe he'd be able to grow some stuff from seed or catch a few animals, but this is the city. Nobody lives on pigeon shit. He goes to the grocery store to dig through the garbage, nobody loses then. Can't find anything. It's already been picked. Checks a few other places. Clean. He feels the acid start to eat away at his stomach. He's hollow. If he doesn't eat soon, he's dead. The grocery store's still open. Walks down isle four. Grabs a can of beans and a can of sardines. Tries to walk out. Alarm goes off. Court in three days. Shows up, but it's not the first time. Third offense motherfucker, year in prison for shoplifting (Pennsylvania law). Yeah, this isn't the most realistic person, but they do exist, and in all shapes/colors. You want to judge another human being for something they do to survive, be my guest.
[QUOTE=turd dad;43852076]And it's all irrelevant anyway because 85% of prisoners are incarcerated for drugs or public order offenses, with another 8% for violence. Only around 5 or 6 percent of criminals are in for property theft.[/QUOTE] and you think people aren't pressured into doing those things?
[QUOTE=turd dad;43851789]The world is shit for everyone, you don't see me going around robbing people. [editline]9th February 2014[/editline] Head to any church and they'll be happy to feed you, clothe you, and bathe you. There's absolutely no excuse to steal.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, man. When was the last time you left your room for a reason other than eating or taking a shit? You are very clearly demonstrating that you don't know shit about the real world, you're living in some sort of closeted fantasy.
Also people in for manslaughter charges. Loads of situations where somebody's been attacked in the street so they've tried to defend themselves, punched the dude who has then fallen backwards and suffered a fatal head injury. Boom, manslaughter and prison. The things the justice system seems to think people need punishing for are ridiculous.
[QUOTE=turd dad;43852076]And it's all irrelevant anyway because 85% of prisoners are incarcerated for drugs or public order offenses, with another 8% for violence. Only around 5 or 6 percent of criminals are in for property theft.[/QUOTE] in 2008, there were 2,418,352 incarcerated persons in the US. subtract 93% or 2249067.36 and you have 169,284.64 people in the US who are in jail for property theft. That's a shitload of people.
Like I said before, I don't really know how life is in america or any other country. I only have experience with my own country. Our justice system lacks severe punishment to those who really deserve it, let me elaborate : people who do the worst things only get very light punishment. Thus meaning that you'd really have to fuck up badly to get in jail here. The justice system here is really good, it just lacks proper punishment to those who deserve it. Now you can mock me all you want but I don't wish for anyone to have the same youth as I had, I really grew up in the most terrible area's of the country where I'd wake up to go to school and had to walk around a puddle of blood because someone's head had been smashed in. I'm not saying that some people don't commit crimed because they need to. I'm simply saying that with most of the people I've seen that's not the case. Our country has massive problems with immigration and people coming here to live of other people's money. There are so many safety nets for the poor and unhealthy people that it's piss easy to live of the governments money. Then there's the way money is spend in this country, if you were to compare some elderly homes with certain prisons you'd almost say they should be swapped. It's horrible really how terrible elderly are treated and wonderful prisoners are living. Like I said, I don't know how it's like in other country's. When I said that tax payers shouldn't pay for other people's mistakes I meant it. Just not for everywhere so I'm sorry if I offended people but this is just my view.
[QUOTE=Judas;43850297]what're they gonna do if someone can't afford it? kick them out? :v:[/QUOTE] They starve to death
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43851905]i know fp hates it[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? This thread has been overwhelmingly against anyone who has thought otherwise
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43850806]Maybe it's because I have a personally lived in between the poor and the criminal that I have this zero-tolerance policy. I just cannot defend the people in jail or justify them being there in any way.[/QUOTE] I think you're misunderstanding what people are saying. Criminals are generally people who have decided to break the law, often (because criminals tend to be poor) because it was as easier option (not the right one, but easier nonetheless) then taking the legal way out situation they found the themselves in. They have done something wrong, and no-one is denying that. But a lot of those people would not have committed said crime if they were in a better place, and removing people from those sort of positions is one way of reducing crime. The issue here is that putting prisoners in debt puts them back in a bad position when they are released, from which they are more likely to commit crime. It doesn't help anyone, including the victims of crime, except for whichever company is running the jail in question.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43850284]Good idea, Why should the taxpayer pay for their mistakes.[/QUOTE] because this is what's historically known as a debter's prison then, aaaaannd those were among the grievences to king george and the reasons people left england for the new world..... i mean its definitely unconstitutional to charge prisoners for their time spent there
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[QUOTE=Strontboer;43852147]Like I said before, I don't really know how life is in america or any other country. I only have experience with my own country. Our justice system lacks severe punishment to those who really deserve it, let me elaborate : people who do the worst things only get very light punishment. Thus meaning that you'd really have to fuck up badly to get in jail here. The justice system here is really good, it just lacks proper punishment to those who deserve it. Now you can mock me all you want but I don't wish for anyone to have the same youth as I had, I really grew up in the most terrible area's of the country where I'd wake up to go to school and had to walk around a puddle of blood because someone's head had been smashed in. I'm not saying that some people don't commit crimed because they need to. I'm simply saying that with most of the people I've seen that's not the case. Our country has massive problems with immigration and people coming here to live of other people's money. There are so many safety nets for the poor and unhealthy people that it's piss easy to live of the governments money. Then there's the way money is spend in this country, if you were to compare some elderly homes with certain prisons you'd almost say they should be swapped. It's horrible really how terrible elderly are treated and wonderful prisoners are living. Like I said, I don't know how it's like in other country's. When I said that tax payers shouldn't pay for other people's mistakes I meant it. Just not for everywhere so I'm sorry if I offended people but this is just my view.[/QUOTE] because your prisons are based on rehabilitation and not using fear to try and keep nonoffenders from offending ah yes "immigration" "living off other people's money"
hopefully one rich guy gets imprisoned and pays for all the poverty-stricken inmates out of generosity fucking preposterous behavior though, how could this be legal
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43852187]because your prisons are based on rehabilitation and not using fear to try and keep nonoffenders from offending ah yes "immigration" "living off other people's money"[/QUOTE] You miss my point, It's really easy to get all kinds of funds here from the government because you can't work/are weak/ect ect. and that's good but a lot of people abuse it. Where I was going with that is, There's really no reason at all here to 'become a criminal' to be able to provide for your family. I want to say that because the general idea I get from everyone is that all American prisoners are in prison because they tried to be a model a citizen and tried to provide for their family's but the mean government didn't give them a chance and they had to resort to crime to survive...
[QUOTE=turd dad;43852076]And it's all irrelevant anyway because 85% of prisoners are incarcerated for drugs or public order offenses, with another 8% for violence. Only around 5 or 6 percent of criminals are in for property theft.[/QUOTE] Not true. 16% are for public order 29% for violence 27% Property 27% Drug .4% Other (other .6% is me not carrying the decimal) [url]http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2056[/url] 2009 File 0906
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43852107]and you think people aren't pressured into doing those things?[/QUOTE] Are we discussing the same thing? [editline]10th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=areolop;43852282]Not true. 16% are for public order 29% for violence 27% Property 27% Drug .4% Other (other .6% is me not carrying the decimal) [url]http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2056[/url] 2009 File 0906[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fjs09.pdf[/url] this document says 8.9% for property right there in table 1
[QUOTE=turd dad;43852304] [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fjs09.pdf[/url] this document says 8.9% for property right there in table 1[/QUOTE] Thats only the US marshal's. I found a better one than the one I even posted. [url]http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p12tar9112.pdf[/url] Table 3 (uploaded for those not wanting to open it) [img]http://i.imgur.com/08OPN91.png[/img]
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