• Nevada Prison To Charge Prisoners For Food and Healthcare
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[QUOTE=Strontboer;43856444]Yes you're completely right and you've shown me the light! We should just free everyone in prison and give them free shelter and food. And that will stop crime everywhere and forever. Great thinking.[/QUOTE] Could you be a more obvious troll at this point? You ignore everything anyone has said to you. Everything.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43850284]Good idea, Why should the taxpayer pay for their mistakes.[/QUOTE] do you hiss and turn to black smoke when exposed to sunlight
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43856499]Could you be a more obvious troll at this point? You ignore everything anyone has said to you. Everything.[/QUOTE] No, That's exactly what you're saying. You can complicate it any way you want but it comes down to that.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43856565]No, That's exactly what you're saying. You can complicate it any way you want but it comes down to that.[/QUOTE] Guys, just ignore everything this troll is saying. His name is literally "shit farmer", he's just trolling. No-body would have such an uneducated, downright retarded opinion for real.
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how can a first-world country be such a shithole
Capitalist - "Don't worry, competition will drive the prices down" edit: thinking deeper into this you could have "caste" prisons. If you can afford it you could go to better ones with nicer food, bigger rooms, better accommodation. You could have rating websites and tv shows. People travelling the country to find the most and least accommodating prisons. The best prisons would be in florida (in the sun), really high class for the mafia bosses etc. Build a prison over looking the grand canyon, with wifi and a Michelin star chef. A great place for embezelling business men and mafiosos to make their connections. To stop this happening you would need to implement some kind of SLA with a maximum service level defined. "food must rate below a 4/10 for blandness" "rooms must be cleaned AT MOST twice per week." "mattresses must not have pocket springs or memory foam to ensure poor nights sleep" "There can be a maximum of one (1) potted plant for ever 50 square meters"
I think they are doing it wrong. I think they should give prisoners basic, boring cheap food to survive on and make them "work" for better food. As for healthcare it should still remain free. By working for better food it promotes good worth ethics and allows them to fit into a normal working life even while in prison.
[QUOTE=DeEz;43856777]how can a first-world country be such a shithole[/QUOTE] The individual states within the United States of America have so much independence that the U.S as a whole shouldn't really be judged on the basis of some states going completely cuckoo but rather on what the federal government rules on things. Not to mention that there are enormous differences between states on how they run things. What's depressing is that this isn't an isolated incident and not even a recent development but a lot of states are almost relying on the prison-for-profit system and new megaprisons are being built because crime is one of the only sure growth industries these days.
In a country where there is absolutely no way to end up on the street, with dozen of safety nets for citizens. There's absolutely [b]no[/b] reason to resort to crime. If you do decide to become one (And yes that's a decision and not something that, oops just happens) then you don't deserve to "rehabilitate" free off charge of whatever, nothing else in life is free so why should that be? People who disagree with me, Please elaborate how you justify crime... Because honestly I don't get it.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43856875]In a country where there is absolutely no way to end up on the street, with dozen of safety nets for citizens. There's absolutely [b]no[/b] reason to resort to crime. If you do decide to become one (And yes that's a decision and not something that, oops just happens) then you don't deserve to "rehabilitate" free off charge of whatever, nothing else in life is free so why should that be?[/QUOTE] How about people falsely imprisoned? People work in prison anyway, they work for their food and med care already.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43856924]How about people falsely imprisoned? People work in prison anyway, they work for their food and med care already.[/QUOTE] Prisoners here are forced to work, but they also get money from it which they can use to buy a tv or something. The food they get and other crap is already free. Neither should you change the entire prison system because there's a 0.1 whatever chance someone is falsely imprisoned. That's like saying let's not make baseball bats because some people use them as a weapon.... Falsely imprisoned really have nothing to do with this.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43856875]In a country where there is absolutely no way to end up on the street, with dozen of safety nets for citizens. There's absolutely [b]no[/b] reason to resort to crime. If you do decide to become one (And yes that's a decision and not something that, oops just happens) then you don't deserve to "rehabilitate" free off charge of whatever, nothing else in life is free so why should that be?[/QUOTE] The main problem I have with what you're saying is 1. If debt lasts after they get out of prison, they'll have so much pressure on them that they're more likely to return to crime, and 2. The private prison industrial complex is a HUGE problem and having people forced to work while imprisoned to pay for necessities like food and health care will make it much, much worse. From a purely practical standpoint, those two things make the idea horrible.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43856975]The main problem I have with what you're saying is 1. If debt lasts after they get out of prison, they'll have so much pressure on them that they're more likely to return to crime, and 2. The private prison industrial complex is a HUGE problem and having people forced to work while imprisoned to pay for necessities like food and health care will make it much, much worse. From a purely practical standpoint, those two things make the idea horrible.[/QUOTE] If you've been reading what I've been saying, I'm talking about the system in my country. 1. Everyone should work. In prison they are forced to work to earn money (Except obviously weak/old/sick) in real life you have to work too, you don't just get free money. Having to work on a daily base prepares you more for 'normal' life then sitting on your ass all day long doing nothing. So having a 'rent' to pay even though it's extremely low is a good motivator to keep working. Real life isn't free, why should jail be? 2. That's not so much the case here so I don't know how badly things are in America.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43856875]In a country where there is absolutely no way to end up on the street, with dozen of safety nets for citizens. There's absolutely [b]no[/b] reason to resort to crime. If you do decide to become one (And yes that's a decision and not something that, oops just happens) then you don't deserve to "rehabilitate" free off charge of whatever, nothing else in life is free so why should that be? People who disagree with me, Please elaborate how you justify crime... Because honestly I don't get it.[/QUOTE] You've proven you'll consistently ignore anything anyone has to say to you.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43857000]If you've been reading what I've been saying, I'm talking about the system in my country. 1. Everyone should work. In prison they are forced to work to earn money (Except obviously weak/old/sick) in real life you have to work too, you don't just get free money. Having to work on a daily base prepares you more for 'normal' life then sitting on your ass all day long doing nothing. So having a 'rent' to pay even though it's extremely low is a good motivator to keep working. Real life isn't free, why should jail be? 2. That's not so much the case here so I don't know how badly things are in America.[/QUOTE] That's cool and all, but we're talking about Nevada, not your country. If you make it clear that you're talking about things in your country instead of leaving it ambiguous, people might not respond as harshly. Going about and trying to justify your opinions on the situation without even attempting to understand the context of the justice system in the United States or Nevada is dumb. Dismissing everyone's points based on the idea that "it doesn't work that way over here" or "I don't know how things are over there" doesn't contribute anything to the conversation, especially when people provide such contextual information.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43857000]If you've been reading what I've been saying, I'm talking about the system in my country. 1. Everyone should work. In prison they are forced to work to earn money (Except obviously weak/old/sick) in real life you have to work too, you don't just get free money. Having to work on a daily base prepares you more for 'normal' life then sitting on your ass all day long doing nothing. So having a 'rent' to pay even though it's extremely low is a good motivator to keep working. Real life isn't free, why should jail be? 2. That's not so much the case here so I don't know how badly things are in America.[/QUOTE] You ignore a major point and then act like it doesn't matter Do you know what a discussion is?
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43850486]I don't see why everyone is rating me dumb.[/QUOTE] Well [I]surprise surprise[/I], that's because you [B]ARE[/B] dumb.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43857632]Well [I]surprise surprise[/I], that's because you [B]ARE[/B] dumb.[/QUOTE] You do realize that most people in this thread are arguing a different perspective on crime than what he is. Hes not wrong, nor are you. Its just a different model.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43857632]Well [I]surprise surprise[/I], that's because you [B]ARE[/B] dumb.[/QUOTE] I have a different opinion, thus I am dumb. Great thinking! Also great addition to this thread. How about you actually read the thread next time.
[QUOTE=areolop;43857725]You do realize that most people in this thread are arguing a different perspective on crime than what he is. Hes not wrong, nor are you. Its just a different model.[/QUOTE] I'm not so much arguing against it from a moral standing. I'm arguing against the idea of madatory labour without an alternative. It is uncompetative. The people in charge of the prison deciding the food prices have absolute control, no competition to go against its a state supported monopoly where the workforce cannot go elsewhere. Capitalists argue their system works because that competition exists to drive down prices and drive up wages. This is not something you can fairly include in a capitalist system. The people with the power to change it will be the ones benefitting from it the most and because the victims of this system are criminals very few people will care.
If they tried to make me pay to be booked into jail, even if it were just $5, I think I would just tell them to fuck themselves. They can keep me in the holding cells until I rot and die if they want, but I'm not paying them to put me in jail.
[QUOTE=Strontboer;43857911]I have a different opinion, thus I am dumb. Great thinking! Also great addition to this thread. How about you actually read the thread next time.[/QUOTE] It's not like you're any better what with the shitty attitude you've got going on in here.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43858057]I'm not so much arguing against it from a moral standing.[/QUOTE] So stop arguing on your morals then. Everyone has different morals.
[QUOTE=areolop;43858236]So stop arguing on your morals then. Everyone has different morals.[/QUOTE] Then someone could argue that rape and murder are OK and defend it with "So arguing it is immortal, everyone has different morals"
[QUOTE=areolop;43858236]So stop arguing on your morals then. Everyone has different morals.[/QUOTE] One is more realistic and also more humane than the other. And that one shall prevail.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43858246]Then someone could argue that rape and murder are OK and defend it with "So arguing it is immortal, everyone has different morals"[/QUOTE] Some people do think its ok. However, individual morals dont overrule society's morals.
[QUOTE=areolop;43858266]Some people do think its ok. However, individual morals dont overrule society's morals.[/QUOTE] Then someone finding a loophole in a law. That is against "society's morals" but isn't illegal.] Also "society's morals" are often decided by those with power, either now or in the past. "society's morals" leads to kids getting raped in the middle east and in the past humans being enslaved in america. You are right that I was arguing from a moral stand point, even if it was a different approach than the other arguements presented.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43858313]The thing is, we're already paying them. With taxes. That thing we pay for every government service from firefighters (which for some reason sometimes don't help unless you pay another fee? The fuck, America?) to our prisons (even though some are privatized and in it only for the money, not to provide a service)[/QUOTE] Well isn't the core problem the rampant privatisation then? Since there's a strong hint of that some people in power are actively sabotaging government services and then scapegoating those services as a example on why privatisation is A-OK?
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43858338]Well isn't the core problem the rampant privatisation then? Since there's a strong hint of that some people in power are actively sabotaging government services and then scapegoating those services as a example on why privatisation is A-OK?[/QUOTE] That exact thing is happening in the UK. They sold the royal mail (nationalised mail service) for a third of its (estimated) price despite it making a profit. Its a fucking disgrace.
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