Full transcripts of Trump’s calls with Mexico and Australia leaked
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[QUOTE=Uber22;52537426]Its strange to me that you completely shut off all the shit Trump has acted and said in these leaked Transcripts. And also the fact you believe the leakers are in the wrong. Also, By Terrible damage to the Political back Channeling of the US government. I think thats Trump's Fault for acting like that, in fact. These leakers have probably helped American Politics, because they've showed how much fucked it isl[/QUOTE]
These phone calls took place months ago, and their transcripts really don't tell me much in the way of political development that I didn't already suspect. I don't need to pore over all the President's tics and odd mannerisms to enjoy this article.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537446]These phone calls took place months ago, and their transcripts really don't tell me much in the way of political development that I didn't already suspect. I don't need to pore over all the President's tics and odd mannerisms to enjoy this article.[/QUOTE]
What exactly has changed in the last few months that allows you to gloss over this? Surely you don't accept this kind of dialog as the norm?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52535978]From the President of Mexico to Trump:
Thank you! This is such a basic fucking concept and it is driving me crazy that Trump is ignoring it. The short-sighted bullshit that he's trying to pull to "stop those bad hombres from coming over here" is only going to make the problem worse.
If you want to stem the flow of illegal immigrants from South of the border, you have to work to help Mexico's economy improve. That's one of the single biggest things you can do.
Beyond that, work with the Mexican government, set up joint task forces and teams, to root out the corruption in local government and law enforcement so that a unified front can be presented against the human, drug, and weapon traffickers in the cartels.
Finally, adjust our drug policy to see one of the major financial legs out from under the cartels in smuggling drugs to the US.
Make a stronger Mexico, and you'll make a stronger America, with less of the problems that Trump ran his campaign promising to curb. He is like a fucking child, thinking the solution to something you don't like is to stop looking at it and refuse to knowledge it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, of course that's true. The problem is that Mexico's biggest barrier to a better economic outlook is it's corrupt government, which is not something we can fix.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52537495]Yes, of course that's true. The problem is that Mexico's biggest barrier to a better economic outlook is it's corrupt government, which is not something we can fix.[/QUOTE]
We can help fix a part of it by decriminalizing drugs and getting rid of the stupid fucking Drug War. Gets rid of the powers of the cartels. AND helps deal with a part of its Corrupt government problem.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52537486]What exactly has changed in the last few months that allows you to gloss over this? Surely you don't accept this kind of dialog as the norm?[/QUOTE]
Of course! These politicians, all they do is grandstand and read prepared statements all day for the attention of the press. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] their private conversations be this disjointed and uncouth? It's humanizing, and makes for a great read.
As for your first question, I believe Turnbull's 2k refugees have already come over, and the Wall is being held up by Congressional procedure, as it should be. The concerns expressed by the President over those two big points just don't seem so relevant in light of these developments.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52536319]Pro refugee advocate? Did we read entirely different transcripts, or am I just misunderstanding you? Turnbull had to remind Trump about half a dozen times that these people that Trump kept referring to as prisoners and criminals and terrorists were not actually "in prison" or charged with any crimes, and that they were fully vetted and not believed to be a security risk. Trump responded each time by completely ignoring Turnbull's explanations and ranting about the Boston Bombers and shit (who were Russian, and not from any of the countries that these refugees were from, Turnbull corrected).
Trump sounded like an ignorant fool. That kind of shit is what I'd expect to hear at the dinner table on Thanksgiving from my overzealous, ultra-conservative uncle, right after a spirited rant about how hard Obama tried to ruin America with Sharia Law, and how the fags are taking over our country and molesting our children in bathrooms.
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I was referring to the whole "why arent they in the society" "why dont you just let them in" is the same argument the Greens (3rd popular Political party) has been echoing for years. Yes he does throw in the whole "they're gonna be criminals" which totally ruin my argument but it was just pressing Turnbull with the same rhetoric he hears daily from the Greens and I think seeing a higher power say those questions makes him more easy to break.
Trumps still a piece of shit and he did treat Malcolm a bit unfairly with the Obama deal honestly
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537512]Of course! These politicians, all they do is grandstand and read prepared statements all day for the attention of the press. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] their private conversations be this disjointed and uncouth? It's humanizing, and makes for a great read.[/QUOTE]
Cause they're fucking adults that are in positions of power and shouldn't be acting like a 13 year old that decided he wanted to try being political.
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This is such "CEO trying to get a manager to fudge numbers", "used car salesman" bullshit, he's a shameful individual
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537512]Of course! These politicians, all they do is grandstand and read prepared statements all day for the attention of the press. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] their private conversations be this disjointed and uncouth? It's humanizing, and makes for a great read.
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nah your guy just fumbled that phone call because he's a shitty speaker
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537512]Of course! These politicians, all they do is grandstand and read prepared statements all day for the attention of the press. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] their private conversations be this disjointed and uncouth? It's humanizing, and makes for a great read.
As for your first question, I believe Turnbull's 2k refugees have already come over, and the Wall is being held up by Congressional procedure, as it should be. The concerns expressed by the President over those two big points just don't seem so relevant in light of these developments.[/QUOTE]
Last I checked, the other politicians in question here, in public or private, don't make statements as 'disjointed or uncouth' as Donald John Trump for two reasons.
A) They have the wits to know that as public figures, anything they say, in any company, has a chance to leak and damage their public image, and
B) They aren't degenerates.
Keep telling yourself this is normal, though.
Seriously, man. I don't know why you so desperately cling to this sinking ship, and it baffles everyone just as much. You, who are educated and should really know better, have the biggest blinders on when it comes to this particular topic. Anyone would think, as an observer, that Donald Trump had some sort of religious significance to his voters.
You don't bother explaining yourself to anyone else here, and I doubt you'd explain it to me. Perhaps you don't know yourself.
The truth is a simple one. A dangerous, immature simpleton got into office for the sole reason that the two choices the last election were both awful ones, and because the anti-intellectual right-wing in America has gotten too strong. And now not only is the world set against America with Trump at its helm, but he is reviled both at home and abroad. The sentiment the world at large holds towards America and Americans today ranges from ridicule to pity.
Once he's out of office and hopefully behind bars (Barring a flash of unprecedented clarity with which he finally listens to his advisers when they tell him he's going to be incarcerated, and makes a bargain with the investigators) America can turn the page, and try very hard to pretend this embarrassing incident never happened.
To imagine that Trump gives or ever has given a damn about anyone but himself, or that he understands a damn about anything but his own whims, is the height of idiocy. He was almost charming once, when he was the star of The Apprentice, but age has dulled his wits further and taken even that from him.
Were anyone to suggest that Donald Trump had a shred of leadership ability or a level of intelligence above that of a child, I could dispel that notion by pointing out one simple fact. Not only has Donald Trump set himself against the media he could have instead charmed to be his ally, but he has set himself against those who voted against him instead of trying to reach out to them, and he has made enemies of every single government agency and body of influence that he [i]depends[/i] upon to stay in power. In the first six months of his presidency, he has hit a national approval rating of just 33 per cent. Many of the States of the Union openly mock him and ignore his directives. Even the Republican congressmen and women who are supposed to protect him, seeing their voters turn against him, have started publicly opposing him. The fact that he can't refrain from insulting and threatening them over Twitter doesn't much help.
He's a national disgrace, a degenerate, and a childish bully. So far, in business, his inherited wealth and the empire he's built upon the backs of virtual slave labour has protected him from the consequences of his hubris. This time, he's going to find out what happens when everyone he could have had as an ally abandons him. And we are going to enjoy every second. Because he's only got himself to blame for his failure.
he's so massively worried about his image that its not even funny, its just sad
he is a man obsessed, so completely that he has to bring himself up in every conversation about anything.
that alone is not the personality of someone that should be president. No one that stares at himself in the mirror that often should ever have control of anything.
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I'm not even jealous of his endless wealth and fame, because I feel too bad for how much he cares about his ego and how incapable of living up to it he is
The dudes screwing up so badly that he's setting himself up to be crushed once he fails.
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Like you can defend his policies all day for all I care, defend every single thing he does, that doesn't matter to me.
but you're seriously a complete idiot if you actually want to defend the dudes infinite ego.
This dude would look at a mother who lost her entire family to a car crash and watched them die in front of her, and talk about how bad his day was.
[QUOTE]You don't bother explaining yourself to anyone else here, and I doubt you'd explain it to me. Perhaps you don't know yourself.[/QUOTE]
I'll take the risk here and just once try to make this as clear as possible to anyone reading: I will tell you anything you want to know, answer any question you have, if you just contact me directly. PM, visitor messages, Discord, whatever, just don't derail an existing thread for it.
No more on this subject. Please do not make this thread or any more about me.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537736]I'll take the risk here and just once try to make this as clear as possible to anyone reading: I will tell you anything you want to know, answer any question you have, if you just contact me directly. PM, visitor messages, Discord, whatever, just don't derail an existing thread for it.
No more on this subject. Please do not make this thread about me.[/QUOTE]
All right, I'll remember that. Have to work early tomorrow, but when I've time to gather my thoughts I'll send you a message.
I just read most of the Australia transcript. Holy fuck this man is so up himself. Like fuck, I hate Turnbull but at least he has a fucking brain: To get rid of people smugglers, you deprive them of a product. But at the same time, you need to behave like a humanitarian to those people and send them somewhere, like America.
Meanwhile Trump is like "hurr durr i just banned terrorism i cant let these people in I'll look like shit"
[quote], I did not want to have a meeting. I did not want to meet with Luis, I did not want to meet with Mexico, I did not want to meet with anybody. It was only because of a very good relationship that Jared Kushner has with Luis that these two decided to meet and discuss, but I was not really in favor for that meeting.[/quote]
Trump talks like a 6th grader trying to fill space in a 2 page essay. He just said "I didn't want to have a meeting" like 5 different ways
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can Trump just fuck Obama already jfc[/QUOTE]
The only appropriate response would be to that question is "The United States".
[QUOTE=Chonch;52537512]Of course! These politicians, all they do is grandstand and read prepared statements all day for the attention of the press. Why [I]wouldn't[/I] their private conversations be this disjointed and uncouth? It's humanizing, and makes for a great read.[/QUOTE]
The only person who seemed disjointed and uncouth was Trump. Both Nieta and Turnbull sound thoroughly professional, with the latter having the patience of a saint trying to explain geopolitics to a man with apparently little interest in the subject before or after becoming president.
It's really not a great read at all. It's really embarrassing. Trump comes across as simultaneously desperate and ignorant, and it completely destroys his image of being this strong-armed dealmaker.
I guess we must be a bit more [I]democratic[/I] then?First of all we shouldn't pay attention to content of those transcripts because it was in Russia\China interests to leak them so even if he is a criminal or incompetent we should impose sanctions on Russia\China for "transcript hacking".Secondly we should wait for Fox news reaction ,because only they can read those secret transcripts?Also can we see more transcripts of his talks with Russia for example and other countries because it's not a threat to the US at all?
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52537996]I guess we must be a bit more [I]democratic[/I] then?First of all we shouldn't pay attention to content of those transcripts because it was in Russia\China interests to leak them so even if he is a criminal or incompetent we should impose sanctions on Russia\China for "transcript hacking".Secondly we should wait for Fox news reaction ,because only they can read those secret transcripts?Also can we see more transcripts of his talks with Russia for example and other countries because it's not a threat to the US at all?[/QUOTE]
What are you trying to say here i'm so confused
[QUOTE=Dookas;52538023]What are you trying to say here i'm so confused[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about hypocrisy,when someone hacks DNC and leaks Clinton e-mails it's definitely Russia and Trump is russian puppet but if the same happens to Trump,then let's read it and it's definitely not in someone's interests at all.
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52538033]I'm talking about hypocrisy,when someone hacks DNC and leaks Clinton e-mails it's definitely Russia and Trump is russian puppet but if the same happens to Trump,then let's read it and it's definitely not in someone's interests at all.[/QUOTE]
This is absolutely nothing like what happened to Clinton/the DNC, and being glad that there are people with integrity keeping our White House transparent is not at all hypocritical compared to being concerned about a hostile foreign nation undermining our democracy via a series of a cyber attacks with the aid (and to the benefit of) their preferred political pawn.
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52538033]I'm talking about hypocrisy,when someone hacks DNC and leaks Clinton e-mails it's definitely Russia and Trump is russian puppet but if the same happens to Trump,then let's read it and it's definitely not in someone's interests at all.[/QUOTE]
Why do Russians love whataboutism so much? You do realize that this isn't an argument and has nothing to do with the matter at hand, right?
[QUOTE]political pawn[/QUOTE]
But he signed anti-Putin sanctions that hurting Putin's friends too or he wasn't under Putin's control in that moment or maybe Trump isn't a pawn at all?
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52538103]But he signed anti-Putin sanctions that hurting Putin's friends too or he wasn't under Putin's control in that moment or maybe Trump isn't a pawn at all?[/QUOTE]
He had no choice but to sign the sanctions bill. It was passed with an overwhelming majority, which effectively makes it veto-proof. If he tried to veto it, Congress would override his veto.
If he refused to actually sign the bill it would automatically become law in 10 days. His choices were to sign it now, wait the 10 days, or waste everyone's time and piss Congress off and make them force him to sign.
In fact, the sanctions bill also stops him from removing sanctions from Russia without Congressional approval -- [I]because he is seen as a pawn[/I]. Congress is specifically putting restrictions on the President to keep him from lifting sanctions on Putin. And, again, Trump signed it because he [U]had to[/U] or he'd look like a pawn even more and the bill would succeed anyway.
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52538103]But he signed anti-Putin sanctions that hurting Putin's friends too or he wasn't under Putin's control in that moment or maybe Trump isn't a pawn at all?[/QUOTE]
This is getting pretty off the thread rails, but he signed the sanctions begrudgingly because congress passed it with a veto-proof majority. It would have become law either way and if he didn't sign it, it would basically confirm peoples' suspicion. The statement alone was enough to tell me about what he would have liked to done.
To the point; the DNC hack matters because it was an attempt to undermine our election. This is not an election anymore. He is president and there needs to be accountability and transparency in his actions. This is why it is right for these transcripts to be released. The DNC hack matters because it was an attempt to undermine our election.
[QUOTE=AmberFox;52538103]But he signed anti-Putin sanctions that hurting Putin's friends too or he wasn't under Putin's control in that moment or maybe Trump isn't a pawn at all?[/QUOTE]
Lol you mean the sanctions that passed through the Senate with a 98% supermajority, designed specifically to limit Trump's ability to pull Sanctions away from Russian [I]because[/I] everybody understands that he is a political pawn, and which Trump only signed under extremely vocal protest because there was literally nothing he could do to stop them?
Gosh, you got me there!
jesus fucking christ
as much as i hate the liberal party, i'm glad we have malcom turnbull instead of fucking trump
[quote=Trump]I heard about this – I have to say I love Australia; I love the people of Australia. I have so many friends from Australia,[/quote]
Is it just me or does this sound very similar to saying [i]"I'm not a racist, I have a black friend!"[/i]
Because it just doesn't sound like genuine praise in any way I read it.
Who the hell does Trump know from Australia? Like I can't see him ever wanting to go there of his own accord for any reason.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52537673]Last I checked, the other politicians in question here, in public or private, don't make statements as 'disjointed or uncouth' as Donald John Trump for two reasons.
Keep telling yourself this is normal, though.
Seriously, man. I don't know why you so desperately cling to this sinking ship, and it baffles everyone just as much. You, who are educated and should really know better, have the biggest blinders on when it comes to this particular topic. Anyone would think, as an observer, that Donald Trump had some sort of religious significance to his voters.
You don't bother explaining yourself to anyone else here, and I doubt you'd explain it to me. Perhaps you don't know yourself.
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why are you being so condescending man? jesus christ
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