• Florida Republican leaders drawing up Arizona-styled anti-immigrant legislation
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22915255]Give it up, you've lost. and WE are grapsing for straws? rofl[/QUOTE] lol I lost? I proved your original arguments WRONG you fucking tosser now you guys are just grasping at straws
It's funny, you've been sitting at the whole "racial profiling" straw all this time, and it isn't even a valid straw anymore
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915292]lol I lost? I proved your original arguments WRONG you fucking tosser now you guys are just grasping at straws[/QUOTE] Your argument is like a car that overshot the white line at an intersection and hit a tanker. Someone mentioned limits to things like being intolerant, because intolerant people are intolerant of intolerance. You gotta draw the line somewhere. Most illegals are coming from Mexico, and South America. So one could say it's racist, but it isn't. Also the bills are targeted at traffic stops and arrests for other crimes. They aren't raiding orange groves or doing sting operations on lawn care companies.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915292]lol I lost? I proved your original arguments WRONG you fucking tosser now you guys are just grasping at straws[/QUOTE] Ah, a Tosser. So it finally comes out that you arent even FROM the US. Stop telling us how to run our country.
[QUOTE=Ridge;22915418]Ah, a Tosser. So it finally comes out that you arent even FROM the US. Stop telling us how to run our country.[/QUOTE] lol you fell right into my trap
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915446]lol you fell right into my trap[/QUOTE] I doubt you have the cognitive power to devise a trap.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915446]lol you fell right into my trap[/QUOTE] What trap, you didn't prove anything at all
[QUOTE=Ridge;22915450]I doubt you have the cognitive power to devise a trap.[/QUOTE] says the conservative and you fell right into the trap [editline]12:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22915469]What trap, you didn't prove anything at all[/QUOTE] read this post: [QUOTE=Ridge;22915418]Ah, a Tosser. So it finally comes out that you arent even FROM the US. Stop telling us how to run our country.[/QUOTE] I'm actually American
You proved that...he thinks you're not American because you have no clue what you're talking about
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22915520]You proved that...he thinks you're not American because you have no clue what you're talking about[/QUOTE] wow, you are dumb. take a reading class please. I said the word "tosser" which is another word for a "wanker." these words are used by british people, etc. I said it on purpose to see if he or anyone else would think I was a foreigner due to me using that term and it worked. I'm actually American.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22913621]Documents Serving as Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship In most cases, documents serving as “primary” proof or evidence of citizenship are required. Documents serving as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship are: * Previously issued, undamaged US passport * Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state of birth * Consular Report of Birth (of U.S. citizen) Abroad or Certification of Birth * Naturalization Certificate * Certificate of Citizenship[/QUOTE] You forgot Green Cards which are required by federal law that the issued person is to have it on their persons at all times no ands ifs or buts [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/US_Permanent_Resident_Card_2010-05-11.JPG[/IMG]
[QUOTE=TH89;22889773]Leaving it to the "reasonable suspicion" of the police, in a state where mural artists are asked to remove minorities from school murals, is in all practicality abetting racial profiling.[/QUOTE] I notice you have a lot of fear mongering toward the government, where's all this paranoia coming from? Now, just because I support some type of immigration reform does not mean I'm racist, or I want all illegals to leave. No. Really, I think most people would agree to this. Keep in place some type of law like how Arizona is doing it, though ironing out the kinks. I say, if you're illegal and you have committed a felony, such a Burglary, Arson, Murder, etc, something big either being violent or expensive, you are deported and you can never receive the right by the US to apply for citizenship PLUS go to jail in your home country. Though, if you're an illegal and are found to have a good background and you're trying to be a productive person here, like those trying to support a family, the state or government should help with their naturalization to US citizenship. Keep the immigrants who should deserve to be here and kick out the ones that just cause trouble. Now, is there anything wrong with this?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22914588]you guys are going through the CITIZEN'S procedure when you checked yes on the box that asks are you a citizen, that determined what process you go through [url]http://ssa.gov/pubs/10096.html[/url] [url]http://dmv.dc.gov/serv/dlicense/get_non_us_citizen_dl.shtm[/url] that's for D.C. state laws vary[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/geninfo.html[/url] [QUOTE]What do I need to bring to obtain a Florida Driver License or Identification Card? Under Age 18 [highlight] * United States Citizen proof of identity. * Non-United States Citizen proof of identity. * Proof of Social Security number, if issued Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department to collect social security numbers for the issuance of driver license and identification cards. * Proof of residential address[/highlight] * Proof of completion of a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course or license from another state, country, or jurisdiction. * Parental Consent Form - must be notarized or signed in the presence of a driver license examiner. Age 18 or Older [highlight] * United States Citizen proof of identity. * Non-United States Citizen proof of identity. * Proof of Social Security number, if issued Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department to collect social security numbers for the issuance of driver license and identification cards. * Proof of residential address[/highlight] * Proof of completion of a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course or license from another state, country, or jurisdiction.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/azwelcome.asp[/url] [QUOTE] New To Arizona? As a new resident to the State of Arizona, you are required to obtain an Arizona driver license and to register your vehicles in this State. MVD offers services for vehicle title and registration and for obtaining a new Arizona driver license. Please look over the information contained here to learn the simple compliance of licensing and vehicle registration. We look forward to providing you with outstanding customer service. Stacey K. Stanton Director Motor Vehicle Division * Resident Definition * Obtaining a License * Types of Licenses * Applying for Title and Registration * Items Needed For a Title and Registration Resident Definition State law requires that you obtain an Arizona vehicle registration and driver license, immediately if any of the following applies. If you: * Work in Arizona (other than for seasonal agricultural work) –or– [highlight] * Are registered to vote in Arizona –or–[/highlight] [b][u](Stroll Down)[/u][/b] * Place children in school without paying the tuition rate of a nonresident –or– * Have a business that has an office in Arizona, and that bases and operates vehicles in this state –or– * Obtain a state license or pay school tuition fees at the same rate as an Arizona resident –or– * Have a business that operates vehicles to transport goods or passengers within Arizona –or– * Remain in Arizona for a total of 7 months or more during any calendar year, regardless of your permanent residence. Out-of-state students enrolled with 7 or more semester hours, are not considered Arizona residents, regardless of employment. Active duty military personnel based in Arizona who qualify for exemption under the Service Members Civil Relief Act of 2003 are not considered Arizona residents. Obtaining a License Identification and Proof of Age Arizona state law requires that all applicants for an original driver license or identification card present two forms of identification – one must have your photo (or three forms of identification if no photo identification is available). See list of acceptable documents. All must be originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. All must be in English. Social Security Number [highlight] You are required by ARS 28-3158(D)(5) and 42 USC 405(c)(2)(C) to provide your Social Security Number. It will be used to verify your identity and to comply with federal and state child support enforcement laws. It will not be used as your driver license number.[/highlight][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.azsos.gov/election/How_to_register.htm[/url] [QUOTE]Q: What are the qualifications to register to vote? Answer: [highlight] * Must be a Citizen of the United States of America * Must be a resident of Arizona[/highlight] * Must be 18 years of age or more on or before the day of the next regular General Election * Must not be a convicted felony, unless your civil rights have been restored * Must not been adjudicated incompetent [/QUOTE] Clearly these two states' Driver's Licenses are sufficient for Proof of Citizenship
once again, those are for CITIZENS
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915929]once again, those are for CITIZENS[/QUOTE] Then you should have your fucking Green Card or Passport on you, now shouldn't you then?
[QUOTE=JDK721;22915929]once again, those are for CITIZENS[/QUOTE] A little digging on [url=http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/faqkeys.html]this site[/url] and I came up with what an immigrant needs to bring. There's a button on the right hand side saying "Documents you need to bring." Click it, and it brings you to a small prompt where you can fill out your status (immigrant, citizen, so on and so forth) and a few minor details. For the sake of the argument I filled out a form claiming I was an immigrant and it brought me to this: [quote=List]Original Driver License or Identification Card Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth, proof of residential address, and proof of social security number (if issued, Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department see proof of social security number for the issuance of driver license and identification cards) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued. The name assigned to the social security number must match the name that will appear on the Florida driver license or identification card. If you have recently changed your name, update your records with the Social Security Administration before you apply for your license or identification card. Each Non-U.S. Immigrant renewing or applying for a new driver license or identification card in person after January 1, 2010 must submit: (You will not be required to present these document for subsequent renewals unless your information - last name, address etc - changes) 1 Primary Identification Gather one original or certified copy of the following documents: [b] * Valid Alien Registration receipt card, (Green card, Form I-551) * I-551 stamp in passport or on I-94 * Immigration Judges Order, with the customer's A-number, granting asylum * I-797, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer has been granted asylum * I-797 or another form from the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, with the customer's A-number, stating the customer's application for Refugee status is approved [/b] CONTINUED 2 Proof of Social Security Number Gather one original of the following documents that show your complete name and social security number: [b] * Social Security card must be an original in your current full name * W-2 form * Pay check/stub * SSA-1099 * Any 1099 (not handwritten)[/b] [/quote]
The law is not targeting "brown people", but that's what people think because that's a large majority of illegal aliens. If the large majority was little green men then everyone would be calling it racist against little green men. It's targeting illegal aliens at a whole, not one selective group. Illegal aliens have NO right to be here. And if you haven't notice, we kinda have a large problem at our borders and states with violence and drugs.
[QUOTE=Ragy;22923005]The law is not targeting "brown people"[/QUOTE] yes, it is targeting brown people. you're blind if you don't realize that. do you really think white people are gonna be asked for their citizenship documents? how will a police officer have any idea that a person is here illegal besides that they're brown? [QUOTE=Ragy;22923005]Illegal aliens have NO right to be here.[/QUOTE] that doesn't justify singling out a certain group and racial profiling [QUOTE=Ragy;22923005]And if you haven't notice, we kinda have a large problem at our borders and states with violence and drugs.[/QUOTE] you can thank the conservative/Republicans for that. the very same people who will pass/support a bill like this. keeping marijuana, etc. illegal and then complaining about the border security, etc. no shit there's gonna be violence when the drug cartels are controlling the drugs. legalize and regulate them.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22924511]yes, it is targeting brown people. you're blind if you don't realize that. do you really think white people are gonna be asked for their citizenship documents? how will a police officer have any idea that a person is here illegal besides that they're brown? that doesn't justify singling out a certain group and racial profiling you can thank the conservative/Republicans for that. the very same people who will pass/support a bill like this. keeping marijuana, etc. illegal and then complaining about the border security, etc. no shit there's gonna be violence when the drug cartels are controlling the drugs. legalize and regulate them.[/QUOTE] I have no more hope for you. We've been over all of this already, all of which you've been proven wrong.
[QUOTE=Ragy;22925212]I have no more hope for you. We've been over all of this already, all of which you've been proven wrong.[/QUOTE] lol you haven't proven shit wrong I was the one that actually proved you guys wrong when you all said you NEED a social security # to get a license after that you began grasping at straws and failed to acknowledge that you were wrong
[QUOTE=JDK721;22925528]lol you haven't proven shit wrong I was the one that actually proved you guys wrong when you all said you NEED a social security # to get a license after that you began grasping at straws and failed to acknowledge that you were wrong[/QUOTE] [img]http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/Lemmiwinks1975/picard-facepalm.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JDK721;22925528]lol you haven't proven shit wrong I was the one that actually proved you guys wrong when you all said you NEED a social security # to get a license after that you began grasping at straws and failed to acknowledge that you were wrong[/QUOTE] Go back and read my post again... citizens obviously need it, but immigrants need it as well, along with proof of legal residence (green card or something of the sort).
[QUOTE=massn7;22926380]Go back and read my post again... citizens obviously need it, but immigrants need it as well, along with proof of legal residence (green card or something of the sort).[/QUOTE] their original argument was that you needed to be a citizen to get a drivers license and that a drivers license is proof of citizenship I proved them wrong, which is all I need to do in the argument any permutations are void
[QUOTE=JDK721;22926430]their original argument was that you needed to be a citizen to get a drivers license and that a drivers license is proof of citizenship I proved them wrong, which is all I need to do in the argument any permutations are void[/QUOTE] The fuck are you talking about. I already pointed this out. If you're a citizen, you supply your information and your drivers license is proof of citizenship. If you're not a citizen, but instead a legal alien, you supply your green card as well, and you used your green card + papers to get the drivers license, so it's still proof of citizenship. As has been confirmed by countless posts above mine, you're wrong in every sense of the word. Apparently you're just in denial now.
I wasn't concerned when Arizona passed this law, but now it's in my homestate of Florida and I'm pissed. My family goes down to Orlando for at least once a year, and I'm sure many other people do that as well, and all of the money we spend goes to the state which helps keep our taxes down. Recently the number of tourists coming to Florida for our attractions have declined some and in turn, the taxes have gone up slightly and the state had to cut back on spending. I'm a student in highschool and I've noticed the changes my highschool has done, such as less supplies and less substitutes, which may not be a big deal to some, but if it continues we may need to bring more things in for the teachers to have next school year or pay more for tickets to sporting events at my school. I have no reason to doubt that this is happening with other schools as well. How this relates to the anti-immigration law is when I travel with my family down to Orlando, there are many Hispanics there, too, and they spend their money just like the rest of us which helps in keeping the state not go under. If most of those people were illegals from Cuba or whatnot, the number of people spending money will drop if the bill is passed and that will lead to higher taxes which is not what we are trying to do. I don't get it with the Republicans today, it just seemed that ever since Nixon the trust in the Repulicans has gone down with my family. We're moderates, meaning we're in the middle of the road. I'm sure you know what happens when you're in the middle of the road.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22926430]their original argument was that you needed to be a citizen to get a drivers license and that a drivers license is proof of citizenship I proved them wrong, which is all I need to do in the argument any permutations are void[/QUOTE] They ripped your points to shreds yet you continued to insist that you were right. Your arrogance has made you blind to the end result: you were wrong.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;22915693]I notice you have a lot of fear mongering toward the government, where's all this paranoia coming from? Now, just because I support some type of immigration reform does not mean I'm racist, or I want all illegals to leave. No. Really, I think most people would agree to this. Keep in place some type of law like how Arizona is doing it, though ironing out the kinks. I say, if you're illegal and you have committed a felony, such a Burglary, Arson, Murder, etc, something big either being violent or expensive, you are deported and you can never receive the right by the US to apply for citizenship PLUS go to jail in your home country. Though, if you're an illegal and are found to have a good background and you're trying to be a productive person here, like those trying to support a family, the state or government should help with their naturalization to US citizenship. Keep the immigrants who should deserve to be here and kick out the ones that just cause trouble. Now, is there anything wrong with this?[/QUOTE] I agree with this, and I'm a "brown" person.
[QUOTE=Caltoa;22927347]If most of those people were illegals from Cuba or whatnot[/QUOTE] There's no such thing as a Illegal Cuban Immigrant in the United States as they are granted Automatic Asylum the second they touch US soil
[QUOTE=Broseph_;22928801]There's no such thing as a Illegal Cuban Immigrant in the United States as they are granted Automatic Asylum the second they touch US soil[/QUOTE] Yup. But there are people from other countries that try the same thing, even though there is no asylum system for them...
I say leave it to the people who live there to decide whether or not the law is good, if you live in a different state this doesn't affect you in any way.
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