• Mexico Sueing Arizona Claiming Its Citizens 'Rights Are At Stake'
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[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23511599]Even if you throw out the constitution, most of these people are humans who want a better life for themselves, not horrible murderers and terrorists. (Even those groups deserve their human rights, though)[/QUOTE] And I am all for that, I hope they have a better life here, but become a fucking citizen.
[QUOTE=Lazor;23511602]it's like this thread is full of people who think mexicans are immigrating here illegally to spite them and steal their children[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware the Arizona immigrant bills attempts to root out Illegal immigrants. keyword being illegal.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511622]And I am all for that, I hope they have a better life here, but become a fucking citizen.[/QUOTE] Then even as we're kicking them out (we also need to reform immigration before doing that), we should treat them with respect.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23511634]Then even as we're kicking them out (we also need to reform immigration before doing that), we should treat them with respect.[/QUOTE] Respect is fine, giving them every right a citizen has isn't.
How about we make attaining legal citizenship not take a couple decades? That would help this problem a bit
[QUOTE=onox37;23511595]Oh Mexico, if only you knew how the immigrants were treating Arizona after they got here. They ones that come here work, their sons and daughters are the biggest freeloaders in America. They join gangs and increase the high school dropout rate. (Arizona Resident here.)[/QUOTE] Wait what now...? I live in Tucson, and to be honest.. The one kid I knew who came here illegally with his parents (got citizenship later on) was probably the most intelligent kid I knew. I asked him why he tried so hard his reply, "I'm trying to make the American dream for my family"
Mexico can fuck off.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511642]Respect is fine, giving them every right a citizen has isn't.[/QUOTE] nobody has said give them every right a citizen has
[QUOTE=Lazor;23511667]nobody has said give them every right a citizen has[/QUOTE] Except that is what they have.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511669]Except that is what they have.[/QUOTE] what do you consider a right because after reading your posts, it seems very broad [editline]03:31AM[/editline] also i doubt your claim entirely
[QUOTE=Lazor;23511687]also i doubt your claim entirely[/QUOTE] Do a little research my friend, it goes a long way.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511711]Do a little research my friend, it goes a long way.[/QUOTE] How about you post some proof for your absurd-on-it's-face claim instead?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23511716]How about you post some proof for your absurd-on-it's-face claim instead?[/QUOTE] How about you do it yourself if you want to argue so badly? I've done my fair-share of research.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511724]How about you do it yourself if you want to argue so badly? I've done my fair-share of research.[/QUOTE] Then show us the research, you're the one claiming these things and you should be the one proving those claims.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23511729]Then show us the research, you're the one claiming these things and you should be the one proving those claims.[/QUOTE] I could say the exact same thing to you, and my friend I don't save every page of info I have on this for a moment like this, I do research and remember it.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511711]Do a little research my friend, it goes a long way.[/QUOTE] the burden of proof is on you also, answer my question
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511750][B]I could say the exact same thing to you[/B], and my friend I don't save every page of info I have on this for a moment like this, I do research and remember it.[/QUOTE] :confused: No you couldn't, i'm not claiming anything. I don't need to do research to doubt your bs sounding claims.
[QUOTE=Lazor;23511751]the burden of proof is on you also, answer my question[/QUOTE] I consider a right to be the entitlement of freedom in certain limits depending on the right at hand. Other ways to explain it but I am too fucking stoned to type more than a few sentences.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511793]I consider a right to be the entitlement of freedom in certain limits depending on the right at hand. Other ways to explain it but [B]I am too fucking stoned to type more than a few sentences[/B].[/QUOTE] :ms: Don't post under the influence, kids
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511793]I consider a right to be the entitlement of freedom in certain limits depending on the right at hand. Other ways to explain it but I am too fucking stoned to type more than a few sentences.[/QUOTE] yeah that basically made no sense at all
What the hell is it with all of these fucking dumbshits supporting what is quite literally Gestapo tactics? Arizona's laws are fucking retarded, illegal immigration is not a social issue, it's an economical one. CEO's are hiring illegal immigrants for low pay to keep their status under wraps. Tons of them. If all illegal immigrants went back home, we would have to pay tons more for food and other factory made items. [b]The people who should be locked away are the executives hiring these poor people, not the immigrants who risked their lives and families trying to get a better life.[/b]
[QUOTE=leadpumper;23511092]Sorry Mexico, but your citizens are breaking the law in [i]our[/i] country by coming here [i]illegally[/i].[/QUOTE] Your country was founded by illegal immigrants, stop being such a baby. [editline]09:44AM[/editline] [QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511642]Respect is fine, giving them every right a citizen has isn't.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they should've chosen to be born in the US instead of Mexico, it's their own fault.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511475]Where does the constitution say that people can illegally enter the United States and get all the rights of a citizen by breaking the laws everyday?[/QUOTE] 14th amendment More specifically [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause[/url] [QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511550]Did you guys not see the illegal part? If they are breaking the laws then they should not be treated like citizens, if any rights then give them very small rights, not fucking free college for being too much of a jackass to become a citizen.[/QUOTE] They are human beings, they deserve the same rights as you.
[QUOTE=Llivavin;23513310]14th amendment More specifically [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause[/url] They are human beings, they deserve the same rights as you.[/QUOTE] "[B]All persons born or naturalized in the United States[/B], and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Llivavin, this pertains to legal citizens. Not to illegal immigrants. To extend it to illegal immigrants would actually breach the constitution.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511451]Sadly these people do too, obama needs to stop their rights and make sure they are a citizen before they have ANY rights, but he's too much of a pussy to do that.[/QUOTE] Ever heard of human rights? You know those basic rights that everyone has? Yeah those.
Send in Machete. He'll sort things out.
[QUOTE=AteBitLord;23511750]I could say the exact same thing to you, and my friend I don't save every page of info I have on this for a moment like this, I do research and remember it.[/QUOTE] Whoever makes the first claim carries the burden of evidence. You made the first claim? then you have to deliver the evidence, and saying find it yourself doesn't work in a debate it just has you written off.
In other words, it's their right to come here illegally?
Okay... That's over the limit. Why the fuck are Mexico sueing Arizona? The law is stupid but sueing Arizona is just more idiotic and suspicious by Mexico. Are the Mexican goverment going to cross the border too?
[QUOTE=kimr120;23515082]Okay... That's over the limit. Why the fuck are Mexico sueing Arizona? The law is stupid but sueing Arizona is just more idiotic and suspicious by Mexico. Are the Mexican goverment going to cross the border too?[/QUOTE] I don't know, because it endangers legal Mexican tourists in Arizona?
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