HazteOir.org begins new anti-lgbtq campaign with the message "boys have penises" "girls have vulvas"
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[QUOTE=meharryp;51884299]:what:
How insane do you have to be to think gay people are conspiring to take over the world[/QUOTE]
Wasn't homosexuality common between Rome rulers?
(I am asking, not sure)
[QUOTE=eirexe;51886884]Your opinion has a problem when it brings pain to many people using scientifically unsound arguments, who cares about your genes when what matters is what you are physically?[/QUOTE]
Your genes and what you are physically are literally the same thing until you modify yourself. The issue with modifying yourself is that it doesn't change your genes. Like I said I don't care if people modify themselves, but it doesn't change what they are at the lowest level.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886893]Your genes and what you are physically are literally the same thing until you modify yourself. The issue with modifying yourself is that it doesn't change your genes. Like I said I don't care if people modify themselves, but it doesn't change what they are at the lowest level.[/QUOTE]
Okay so who literally fucking cares brother. You are going out of your way to drool all over the thread in an attempt to seem "educated" on the topic (hint: you aren't) and you openly admit to trying to get people to flame you.
That's p. sad my dude
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886893]Your genes and what you are physically are literally the same thing until you modify yourself. The issue with modifying yourself is that it doesn't change your genes. Like I said I don't care if people modify themselves, but it doesn't change what they are at the lowest level.[/QUOTE]
Your genetic make up does not necessarily dictate your biogical sex. If you had any understanding of genetics or the topic at hand you would not make such stupid claims
I'm sorry, you lost me when you implied that the X and Y chromosomes that determine biological sex don't actually determine biological sex.
Zillamaster is the perfect example of me saying people get triggered when they read something they don't like. Can't you just debate and not get into the character assessments and assumptions about me personally?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886916]
Zillamaster is the perfect example of me saying people get triggered when they read something they don't like. Can't you just debate and not get into the character assessments and assumptions about me personally?[/QUOTE]
Oh whine harder dude, you're just trying to get a rise out of others
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51886926]Oh whine harder dude, you're just trying to get a rise out of others[/QUOTE]
No, I'm debating. You just come to this conclusion because I'm saying things you don't agree with.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886932]No, I'm debating. You just come to this conclusion because I'm saying things you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
You are fundamentally wrong, your genes don't determine your sex, that's the representation of them, called the phenotype.
They are actually called the sex chromosomes. Probably because of their function but I don't know.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886932]No, I'm debating[/QUOTE]
Sure lol , with such high effort arguments like "I'm ready to be flamed"
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886882]No, my experience is just that people in SH get incredibly triggered when they hear something they don't like. My point is just like everyone else's here: throw the opinion out there.[/QUOTE]
You're just sour because people went in hard on your nutty views in that other thread. Now you're saying silly stuff just to get a rise out of people, a lvl 9 jaded troll. I suspect if you knew people facing those issues then you might not have such a hardline stance on it.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886952]They are actually called the sex chromosomes. Probably because of their function but I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Having XX or XY chromosomes is just a random chance, the same genes can produce males or females, it's random.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886932]No, I'm debating. You just come to this conclusion because I'm saying things you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
You're debating in bad faith by saying that people will get "triggered" and that you are going to get "flamed" for stating your opinions.
I was actually going to reply to your original post but I've been very weary to reply to you until now because frankly your last line in your first post seemed awfully like flame bait.
Read the rest of the thread again, please. And realise that gender != sex, and that gender is a *mental model*. If a person feels they are born in the wrong body, then they are - we can't tell them otherwise because we're not in their head. It's honestly that simple.
XX and XY might be perceived as random though nobody can really prove that as maleness is decided by the sperm specifically, but can you prove to me that someone (short of being a deformity) developed female reproductive organs and no male reproductive organs while having an XY configuration?
And I never said people couldn't identify better [i]with[/i] the gender they weren't born as, in fact I said I didn't even care about that. My argument is that even if you are a feminine enough male to fit in better with females, you can't change that your DNA dictates that you're a male. Even if you modify your body and take pills. Identifying [i]as[/i] something that you aren't is my problem.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886975]Identifying [i]as[/i] something that you aren't is my problem.[/QUOTE]
Is not reading the volumes of data that refute this point an Olympic sport? If so you'd take the gold.
Did you just refuse to read any, seriously any, point in this thread ?
[QUOTE=Cureless;51886191]I don't know about any of their ideology's but their newest message is solid truth.
You are what you're born as.
You can't suddenly become something else just because you feel like it.[/QUOTE]
My eyes, in a haze of sickness, read your name as Clueless and it was very fitting because that's what I think you are.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51886983]Is not reading the volumes of data that refute this point an Olympic sport? If so you'd take the gold.
Did you just refuse to read any, seriously any, point in this thread ?[/QUOTE]
I've read the entire thread. Half of it is joke posts about gay dictators. Are you going to evade my request for proof of XY humans that have real, functioning female reproductive organs?
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51886995]I've read the entire thread. Half of it is joke posts about gay dictators. Are you going to evade my request for proof of XY humans that have real, functioning female reproductive organs?[/QUOTE]
What I'm going after is your assbackwards and dangerous point of view saying that you have a "problem" with people's gender identity. Like seriously how hard is it for people like you to crawl out of your conservative safe space and just accept people for once
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51886999]What I'm going after is your assbackwards and dangerous point of view saying that you have a "problem" with people's gender identity. Like seriously how hard is it for people like you to crawl out of your conservative safe space and just accept people for once[/QUOTE]
I'll take that as a yes.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51887000]I'll take that as a yes.[/QUOTE]
A yes to what? I'm not a geneticist, I'm not going to argue about something I don't have knowledge about.
But you obviously can't refute my point that you clearly are made too uncomfortable with the idea that people are different from you and just want to be treated like everyone else.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51887000]I'll take that as a yes.[/QUOTE]
You are failing to realise (and a lot of other people are as well) that [I]gender and sex are not the same thing.[/I] Trans people have a mismatch between their gender and their sex. They know that they're, for example, female but they have a male body. That's why they get HRT along with other therapies and procedures to fix their problem of gender dysphoria (NOT DYSTOPIA AS I KEEP SAYING). This makes their sex much more in-line with their gender.
Sure, for the moment this will mean that people's sexes and reproductive organs won't entirely align with their gender, but trust me we WILL solve this in the future.
So ultimately, I don't see the problem or why people have issues with accepting transgender people for who they are.
I'd also like to take the time to point out that you aren't replying to people's posts who are arguing with you - like mine.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51887008]A yes to what? I'm not a geneticist, I'm not going to argue about something I don't have knowledge about.
But you obviously can't refute my point that you clearly are made too uncomfortable with the idea that people are different from you and just want to be treated like everyone else.[/QUOTE]
I've made a simple request twice now that would be within reach through a simple Google search. And you don't seem to get that I've stated multiple times that I don't care what people do to themselves to feel better, my issue is a male trying to assert that they're female, or got forbid some other gender.
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51887027] my issue is a male trying to assert that they're female, or got forbid some other gender.[/QUOTE]
So this proves my point. You're scared of trans people being happy with themselves and being accepted . It scares you because it hurts your tiny, closed off world view
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51887027]I've made a simple request twice now that would be within reach through a simple Google search. And you don't seem to get that I've stated multiple times that I don't care what people do to themselves to feel better, my issue is a male trying to assert that they're female, or got forbid some other gender.[/QUOTE]
uuuuuuuuurgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
gender =/= sex - stop trying to get a rise out of zilla and reply to the other posts please
[QUOTE=KingofBeast;51887027]I've made a simple request twice now that would be within reach through a simple Google search. [B]And you don't seem to get that I've stated multiple times that I don't care what people do to themselves to feel better, my issue is a male trying to assert that they're female, or got forbid some other gender.[/B][/QUOTE]
So you do have an issue with them. Why? In what way are they harming you when they are saying what their correct gender is? It does not affect you in any way (unless you're romantically interested somehow).
Could you please reply to my other posts, if I may ask?
How embarrassing.
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KingOfBeast, if your views on transgendered people is based on genetics, then surely you should be in support of them?
People who have Gender Dysphoria have genes that express physical changes in [url=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/]brain structure[/url], body structure, and hormone levels that are much more similar to their experienced gender rather than their birth sex.
Conflating sex and gender, and saying that they are purely a result of chromosomes and sexual organs, is a massive oversimplification of an incredibly complex phenomenon. Plus, you seem to be much more preoccupied with "triggering" people than actually learning about transgendered people.
It's incredibly sad to see people willingly ignoring established science and invalidating others' identities just so they can "trigger" them. We're a rather vulnerable minority, how can anyone be scared of us gaining acceptance other than the fact it might throw off their comfortable status quo of sex equaling gender?
[QUOTE=GreySky;51884454](why not just say vagina? Lmao)[/QUOTE]
Because that's technically not correct, by what they're referring to. I mean, yeah, people [I]are[/I] born with vaginas, but when looking at the groin of an AFAB person, you're seeing a vulva. People just call that a vagina, anyway. It's just like AMAB people have testicles, a prostate, and other bits, but it's just said "they have a penis."
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