[QUOTE=zombays;33279101]One problem, that's impossible. A vaccine is made specifically for viruses and, correct me if I'm wrong, some bacteria. Cancer is neither, not even fungal. It's a genetic mutation, a cell gone AWOL that thought it would be a good idea to the divide A LOT and fast.
Pretty much, vaccine for cancer can't happen, end of story.[/QUOTE]
No quite. With the large majority of cancers there are specific mutations that either promote cell growth/division and/or prevent cell regulation. If you can divise a vaccine that makes T-cells develop antibodies against that specific mutation you can train your body to target cancer cells for destruction.
It's not so simple though. A lot of oncogenes can't be targeted by antibodies because they're in the cytosol or the mutated protein isn't different enough from the normal protein for antibodies to be specific. There's also the fact that a rapidly dividing cell with a lack of DNA replication regulation may quickly become resistant. Also, it's no good if the whole treatment depends on your immune system stimulating apoptotic pathways if those are broken in cancer cells anyway.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33279846]Just like some people could have very personal reasons to hate black people or Muslims?[/QUOTE]Why does it have to be blacks or Muslims, man? What about white people? Are you a [I]racist[/I]
[QUOTE=Turnips5;33279838]If that were the case, nobody would be dying from skin cancer, regardless of the legality of cannabis usage[/QUOTE]
If only. You're a bit naive. Would you rather believe some corrupt big pharmaceutical company or some pothead reffering to some obscure studies. Unfortunately you would chose the docotors opinion.
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33279865]Why does it have to be blacks or Muslims, man? What about white people? Are you a [I]racist[/I][/QUOTE]
I'm making the point that him disliking/hating Jews is irrational, close-minded and perhaps even racist (well, anti-Semitic but you get the point.)
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[QUOTE=gRuKz;33279879]If only. You're a bit naive. Would you rather believe some corrupt big pharmaceutical company or some pothead reffering to some obscure studies. Unfortunately you would chose the docotors opinion.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you're a bit naive for spouting the over-used "Cannabis cures everything" line.
[QUOTE=gRuKz;33279879]If only. You're a bit naive. Would you rather believe some corrupt big pharmaceutical company or some pothead reffering to some obscure studies. Unfortunately you would chose the docotors opinion.[/QUOTE]LOL
Obscure studies are often backed by horse shit, and no, I don't place my trust in delusional addicts.
Not to be mr. negative but it feels like a cancer cure is discovered like once and month and then we hear nothing about it again.
[QUOTE=gRuKz;33279743][url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2007/11/19/cannabis-cancer.html[/url]
Cannabis Oil has been proven to reduce cancer risks and spread. I'm not talking about getting high. I'm talking about science.[/QUOTE]
Beta blockers have also been shown to decrease metastasis. I doubt it'll the cure that will revolutionize the treatment of cancer. It'd be better if an analogue of cannabis that was specific to that receptor was created instead of just plan THC.
Israel's just bullcrapping reasons for them to be protected
They've developed an effective treatment for cancer?
And it's reached clinical trials?
Ho. Lee. Shit.
I doubt it.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;33280018]Beta blockers have also been shown to decrease metastasis. I doubt it'll the cure that will revolutionize the treatment of cancer. It'd be better if an analogue of cannabis that was specific to that receptor was created instead of just plan THC.[/QUOTE]
If you would have bothered to inform yourself on the subject you would have read that it is not THC but CBD that helps cure cancer.
Doubt it. This shit never sees the light of day. This is just them saying that they can make it and E-Begging.
Knowing Israel, it would be more probable that VaXIL is really a nuclear research company developing a "cure" (Nuke) for what they deem "cancer", The rest of the Middle East.
And even that isn't remotely probable right now.
If this is real, Go Israel.
I'm skeptical until I see results though.
"Governments allow Israel to release a Cancer vaccine"
[QUOTE=gRuKz;33280079]If you would have bothered to inform yourself on the subject you would have read that it is not THC but CBD that helps cure cancer.[/QUOTE]
My mistake. The idea is still the same though. CBD is good but how can we make it better?
Kicks the shit out of the Malaria vaccine my dad is testing. [img]http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/flygirafda3/waht/saddowns.gif[/img]
But hey, that one has been cleared for human testing and is showing to be pretty damned safe.
This one is in the early stages and, sadly, has a good chance it may fail.
I'm not sure if you can cure cancer though, it isn't really a virus, a bacteria, or even a fungus.
A cancer is a cancer, it's kind of it's own little thing.
It's a genetic mutation, in fact, there is very few ways to actually GET cancer.
Aside from ingesting or having long exposure to certain chemicals, most people have it in their genes and it's been there for generations and then suddenly it says: "Let's ruin someone's day!"
Curing cancer is like curing autism, you can't.
Now you can treat it and wipe it out if you deal with it at the right time.
As for a cure, I don't think that's very possible, and that's why cancer fucking sucks.
Also a vaccine is an injection of a weaker form of a virus so that the body's white blood cells can kill it and learn what it is so you gain an immunity from it.
Cancer isn't a virus in any regard, so "vaccine" isn't an accurate term.
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;33281312]Kicks the shit out of the Malaria vaccine my dad is testing. [img]http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/flygirafda3/waht/saddowns.gif[/img]
But hey, that one has been cleared for human testing and is showing to be pretty damned safe.
This one is in the early stages and, sadly, has a good chance it may fail.
I'm not sure if you can cure cancer though, it isn't really a virus, a bacteria, or even a fungus.
A cancer is a cancer, it's kind of it's own little thing.
It's a genetic mutation, in fact, there is very few ways to actually GET cancer.
Aside from ingesting or having long exposure to certain chemicals, most people have it in their genes and it's been there for generations and then suddenly it says: "Let's ruin someone's day!"
Curing cancer is like curing autism, you can't.
Now you can treat it and wipe it out if you deal with it at the right time.
As for a cure, I don't think that's very possible, and that's why cancer fucking sucks.
Also a vaccine is an injection of a weaker form of a virus so that the body's white blood cells can kill it and learn what it is so you gain an immunity from it.
Cancer isn't a virus in any regard, so "vaccine" isn't an accurate term.[/QUOTE]
Vaccines aren't just for viruses and/or bacteria. Like I said, the point of a cancer vaccine is to enable your body to target and attack cancer cells. Cancers usually have tell-tale proteins that indicate that they're gone AWOL.
Shit is gonna end up like I am Legend.
Oh god.
[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;33281536]Vaccines aren't just for viruses and/or bacteria. Like I said, the point of a cancer vaccine is to enable your body to target and attack cancer cells. Cancers usually have tell-tale proteins that indicate that they're gone AWOL.[/QUOTE]Ah, well I didn't know that.
Yeah that's defiantly possible to develop something for.
I give it two decades.
Except this drug isn't supressing MUC1, it's flat out attacking it. If you just go and attack every instance of the protein in your body the results are going to be similar to Ebola. Overexpression of MUC1 evolves in cancer because it prevents the release of cytochrome c, which in turn stops apoptosis. Though, cytochrome c is a seriously important part of the electron transport chain, so it would be interesting to see some cancerous mitochondria.
I Am Legend
[QUOTE=gRuKz;33279171]Cannabis Oil. That's all im gonna say.[/QUOTE]
~~420_w33d_sn1p3r..~~
weed solves everything man
why are you harshing my mellow brosephelouski
[QUOTE=gooldude;33282159]I Am Legend[/QUOTE]
Won't Happen
[QUOTE=gRuKz;33280079]If you would have bothered to inform yourself on the subject you would have read that it is not THC but CBD that helps cure cancer.[/QUOTE]
Cite me a study in which it reduces and does not cause breast cancer.
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[QUOTE=Helix Alioth;33281842]Except this drug isn't supressing MUC1, it's flat out attacking it. If you just go and attack every instance of the protein in your body the results are going to be similar to Ebola. Overexpression of MUC1 evolves in cancer because it prevents the release of cytochrome c, which in turn stops apoptosis. Though, cytochrome c is a seriously important part of the electron transport chain, so it would be interesting to see some cancerous mitochondria.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't seem to stimulate a significant immunological response, hence the requirement for repeat doses and radiological/chemical treatment in more serious cases
[QUOTE=Clementine;33278890]If it works it will likely not go away, that's how it always is. The things you hear about that "disappear" likely disappeared due to not actually working, not due to a corrupt big pharma. Think about it, wouldn't corporations do anything for the chance to harbor and sell the first or only cure for cancer?[/QUOTE]
not unless all the medical treatments, pills and doctor/hospital visits make more profit then selling a "cure"
[QUOTE=SickJits;33282531]not unless all the medical treatments, pills and doctor/hospital visits make more profit then selling a "cure"[/QUOTE]
all that stuff comes with a cure anyway
the difference is they can charge so much more for it because it will be on-patent and lifesaving
[QUOTE=barttool;33279295]In fact I dislike jewish people. I have very personal reasons to do so.[/QUOTE]
did us jews steal all your children and money again?? my bad
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just a note to fp from a ~medical insider~:
every year we have hundreds of so-called cure for cancers in clinical trials. they are absolutely nothing new, and they actually kill most of the cancer in a lot of cases.
however the problem is that cancer has a genetic factor. curing the cancer using a vaccine can eradicate the cancer and prevent it from coming back or only kill some of the mutated cells only for it to grow back with a resistance to the method. therefor there's no real catch-em-all cure (derp), each patient with cancer basically needs to be catered to with unique methods. sometimes it's a mixture of radiation therapy, chemo, and other drugs, sometimes the cancer is so aggressive the person has no real chance of surviving.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33282743]did us jews steal all our children and money again?? my bad
[editline]14th November 2011[/editline]
just a note to fp from a ~medical insider~:
every year we have hundreds of so-called cure for cancers in clinical trials. they are absolutely nothing new, and they actually kill most of the cancer in a lot of cases.
however the problem is that cancer has a genetic factor. curing the cancer using a vaccine can eradicate the cancer and prevent it from coming back or only kill some of the mutated cells only for it to grow back with a resistance to the method. therefor there's no real catch-em-all cure (derp), each patient with cancer basically needs to be catered to with unique methods. sometimes it's a mixture of radiation therapy, chemo, and other drugs, sometimes the cancer is so aggressive the person has no real chance of surviving.[/QUOTE]
jews caused america's debt
because jews are LOAN OVERLORDS
The interesting bit about MUC1 is that it is an important part of the process by which cells fail to undergo apoptosis, so the cancer would have to mutate significantly to reinvent the wheel, so to speak
[QUOTE=Contag;33282818]
The interesting bit about MUC1 is that it is an important part of the process by which cells fail to undergo apoptosis, so the cancer would have to mutate significantly to reinvent the wheel, so to speak[/QUOTE]
no that's not quite right and the article isn't very close to the truth either.
MUC1 is a mucin that protects a cell from outside pathogens and it's an important part of the human body.
where the article gets the idea that "MUC1 is typically found only on cancer cells and not on healthy cells" is beyond me.
where MUC1 is related to cancer is that [B]certain[/B] cancers have high concentrations of the MUC1 which protects them from chemo drugs.
this article sounds like PR and not like actual science. i wouldn't trust this till the clinical trial results come out.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33282918]no that's not quite right and the article isn't very close to the truth either.
MUC1 is a mucin that protects a cell from outside pathogens and it's an important part of the human body.
where the article gets the idea that "MUC1 is typically found only on cancer cells and not on healthy cells" is beyond me.
where MUC1 is related to cancer is that [B]certain[/B] cancers have high concentrations of the MUC1 which protects them from chemo drugs.
this article sounds like PR and not like actual science. i wouldn't trust this till the clinical trial results come out.[/QUOTE]
It's not a component of apoptosis processes in some cancer cells?
Yeah, I mentioned that earlier
how can you be so sure that it's just PR? Have you even looked at the website?
you'd trust the clinical trials when this much money is at stake?
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