Trump questions need for NATO, outlines noninterventionist foreign policy
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[QUOTE=Paxton;49979354]How about not voting for a Communist and not voting for literally fucking Satan? (Clinton) No matter who gets the Democrapic nomination I'm sure as hell not abandoning my American duty to preserve the country and sure as hell not voting for the modern Dems. This is not 1960 when they were in their prime of "Question Government, question authority" movement, Dems for the past 30 years have shown their true colors. Racist, Hateful, Anti-American, lying about history (Party switch, what a fucking joke) It's like people don't want to learn the history of the Democratic party, they just want it all swept under the rug. They've been trying to turn us into Europe. Guess what, America was not made to change, it was made to be FREE.
Trump is someone who is saying what's needing to be said and what's really needing to be done. If he wasn't running I'd have to waste a vote on Kasich because Cruz sabotages so many voting polls it's pathetic, but even as much as I somewhat like Kasich he's still obeying his masters like a good bitch and can be bought at the drop of a hat, Trump can not be bought and that is why the enslaved world is shitting themselves, NWO can not buy him. I don't want to see NATO gone. I want to see NATO AND the U.N. gone.[/QUOTE]
right on, brother
[QUOTE=sgman91;49979410]The "extreme right wing" absolutely despise Trump. His appeal is to the ignorant moderates who don't have any foundational ideology.[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer it if people didn't have a foundation ideology, and would rather be open to multiple perspectives like mentally healthy individuals should be.
Laissez-faire capitalism and planned economy socialism will never work in our modern day, but a mixed economy can.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49979315]Just like how poland should have footed their own defence bill?[/QUOTE]
NATO Europe needs to fund the defense of NATO Europe.
Defense budgeting, the leading non-issue of European states. Perhaps we can find it in our hearts to buy each American a sock to eat each time they're angry and need to tell us to waste more of our money on arms/weapons to threaten anyone who wants to invade us.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;49979698]Defense budgeting, the leading non-issue of European states. Perhaps we can find it in our hearts to buy each American a sock to eat each time they're angry and need to tell us to waste more of our money on arms/weapons to threaten anyone who wants to invade us.[/QUOTE]
Actually maybe you can spend your own money and risk your own lives to defend yourselves. That would make me, a US citizen, happy because we could spend the money we save on things like our crumbling infrastructure and broken healthcare system.
[QUOTE=Moronic;49979709]Actually maybe you can spend your own money and risk your own lives to defend yourselves. That would make me, a US citizen, happy because we could spend the money we save on things like our crumbling infrastructure and broken healthcare system.[/QUOTE]
Nah man America should defend Europe and in turn have a shit quality of life in comparison to European countries.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49979410]The "extreme right wing" absolutely despise Trump. His appeal is to the ignorant moderates who don't have any foundational ideology.[/QUOTE]
Or, he's just appealing to anyone who isn't an ideological extremist. Like me. I don't want a theocracy, I don't want communism, and I certainly want the very opposite of what Clinton is offering. Thus, I'm mostly left with Trump.
Besides, as someone who was rooting for Paul last election, it's immensely satisfying seeing the GOP's bullshit backfire on them. Can't say that isn't a huge part of the reason towards why I'm voting Trump.
[QUOTE=Paxton;49979354]How about not voting for a Communist and not voting for literally fucking Satan? (Clinton) No matter who gets the Democrapic nomination I'm sure as hell not abandoning my American duty to preserve the country and sure as hell not voting for the modern Dems. This is not 1960 when they were in their prime of "Question Government, question authority" movement, Dems for the past 30 years have shown their true colors. Racist, Hateful, Anti-American, lying about history (Party switch, what a fucking joke) It's like people don't want to learn the history of the Democratic party, they just want it all swept under the rug. They've been trying to turn us into Europe. Guess what, America was not made to change, it was made to be FREE.
Trump is someone who is saying what's needing to be said and what's really needing to be done. If he wasn't running I'd have to waste a vote on Kasich because Cruz sabotages so many voting polls it's pathetic, but even as much as I somewhat like Kasich he's still obeying his masters like a good bitch and can be bought at the drop of a hat, Trump can not be bought and that is why the enslaved world is shitting themselves, NWO can not buy him. I don't want to see NATO gone. I want to see NATO AND the U.N. gone.[/QUOTE]
how about understanding what the word communism means
[QUOTE][B]How about not voting for a Communist[/B] and not voting for literally fucking Satan?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monkah;49979761]Or, he's just appealing to anyone who isn't an ideological extremist. Like me. I don't want a theocracy,[B] I don't want communism[/B], and I certainly want the very opposite of what Clinton is offering. Thus, I'm mostly left with Trump.
Besides, as someone who was rooting for Paul last election, it's immensely satisfying seeing the GOP's bullshit backfire on them. Can't say that isn't a huge part of the reason towards why I'm voting Trump.[/QUOTE]
you guys can't be real right
tell me this is a joke
tell me it's all a big joke
if bernie sanders is a communist fucking canada is a communist country
[QUOTE=Paxton;49979354]How about not voting for a Communist and not voting for literally fucking Satan? (Clinton) No matter who gets the Democrapic nomination I'm sure as hell not abandoning my American duty to preserve the country and sure as hell not voting for the modern Dems. This is not 1960 when they were in their prime of "Question Government, question authority" movement, Dems for the past 30 years have shown their true colors. Racist, Hateful, Anti-American, lying about history (Party switch, what a fucking joke) It's like people don't want to learn the history of the Democratic party, they just want it all swept under the rug. They've been trying to turn us into Europe. Guess what, America was not made to change, it was made to be FREE.
Trump is someone who is saying what's needing to be said and what's really needing to be done. If he wasn't running I'd have to waste a vote on Kasich because Cruz sabotages so many voting polls it's pathetic, but even as much as I somewhat like Kasich he's still obeying his masters like a good bitch and can be bought at the drop of a hat, Trump can not be bought and that is why the enslaved world is shitting themselves, NWO can not buy him. I don't want to see NATO gone. I want to see NATO AND the U.N. gone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cody8295;49979195]sanders if clinton doesn't get the nomination
trump if she does[/QUOTE]
I don't get people who say "Don't vote for Clinton, vote for Trump", yet profess views which are the diametric opposite of Trumps.
Has the world gone insane?
As a non-american, this appeals a lot to me. Which doesn't mean much since I won't get a say on who gets the nomination. Furthermore;
[QUOTE=ironman17;49978992]Call it a hunch, but I have a feeling that he's just [U]saying[/U] this. While I can appreciate the notion of being flexible, I don't really buy it from Trump. Call it a gut feeling, but I still can't trust this guy with the throne.[/QUOTE]
People want the Don to be Hitler but I suspect he's really just Berlusconi
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49979887]I don't get people who say "Don't vote for Clinton, vote for Trump", yet profess views which are the diametric opposite of Trumps.
Has the world gone insane?[/QUOTE]
Some of them think Trump will somehow crash and burn everything (he won't be able to he'd have to force all his 'crash and burn' policies through a congress that hates him), some probably just find Trade and non-interventionism much more important than any other issue. But most on FP that say if Sanders loses they'll vote Trump seem to be in the naive "FUCK EVERYTHING UP" crowd rather than the trade issues crowd.
[QUOTE=Paxton;49979354]America was not made to change, it was made to be FREE.
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i don't see how those two are contradictory, or how change is a bad thing america was never intended to allow, but i do see a very poorly thought out reactionary non sequitur
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49979887]I don't get people who say "Don't vote for Clinton, vote for Trump", yet profess views which are the diametric opposite of Trumps.
Has the world gone insane?[/QUOTE]
They're more similar than you might think. Both are strongly opposed to free trade, for example, which is a big deal in rust belt states such as my own.
[QUOTE=Moronic;49980014]They're more similar than you might think. Both are strongly opposed to free trade, for example, which is a big deal in rust belt states such as my own.[/QUOTE]
trump literally wants to build a wall on the border with mexico, ban moslems from entering the united states, and reintroduce torture
he's a mediocre vain businessman who has no experience of politics or of running a country, and by electing him the United States will confirm to the rest of the world that its political system is a complete joke and should not be taken seriously any longer
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49980084]trump literally wants to build a wall on the border with mexico, ban moslems from entering the united states, and reintroduce torture
he's a mediocre vain businessman who has no experience of politics or of running a country, and by electing him [B][U]the United States will confirm to the rest of the world that its political system is a complete joke and should not be taken seriously any longer[/U][/QUOTE][/B]
I fail to see the problem with this outcome. It's about damned time you guys noticed what us Americans have had to wade through.
The saddest thing about trump is that he's the most liberal Republican running right now, and though absolutely disgusting in terms of human rights, somehow also manages to say the most reasonable things (doesn't completely hate planned parenthood, doesn't care about furthering "religious freedom", and now anti-nation building). I don't want him to win at all, but I also don't want some mega conservative pushing back all the civil rights progress we've made in the last decade
Edit: Thought he was completely against NATO, but he says nothing about being against defending USA's allies and NATO members. OK, good, I'm fine with that.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49980084]trump literally wants to build a wall on the border with mexico, ban moslems from entering the united states, and reintroduce torture
he's a mediocre vain businessman who has no experience of politics or of running a country, and by electing him the United States will confirm to the rest of the world that its political system is a complete joke and should not be taken seriously any longer[/QUOTE]
I think he's unelectable. His popularity with voters is making the Republican party look like a joke, since those are the voters who are casting ballots for him. The rest of us have nothing to do with his run. This is why the Republican establishment is looking at every possible way to end his time in the sun. Every step up he takes, it's a step down for the party.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49980084]trump literally wants to build a wall on the border with mexico, ban moslems from entering the united states, and reintroduce torture
he's a mediocre vain businessman who has no experience of politics or of running a country, and by electing him the United States will [B]confirm to the rest of the world that its political system is a complete joke and should not be taken seriously any longer[/B][/QUOTE]
Mate that should have been obvious after November 2000.
[QUOTE=Worldwaker;49980120][/B]
I fail to see the problem with this outcome. It's about damned time you guys noticed what us Americans have had to wade through.[/QUOTE]
We could always come and take you back if you need someone to babysit? We're not removing Piers though, we finally got rid of the wanker.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49980084]trump literally wants to build a wall on the border with mexico, ban moslems from entering the united states, and reintroduce torture
he's a mediocre vain businessman who has no experience of politics or of running a country, and by electing him the United States will confirm to the rest of the world that its political system is a complete joke and should not be taken seriously any longer[/QUOTE]
Yes, because wanting to stop illegal immigration and cartel crime over the southern border, temporarily ban Muslims in a time when the US has insufficient intel on individuals coming from regions of the middle east, and supporting torturing terrorists are clearly both terrible and the key issues.
Of course, the disappearing jobs driven by horrid trade deals, being the world police, and legal corruption of the government are no big deal. Those aren't the issues that are going to hurt the American people in the long run.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49980330]Yes, because wanting to stop illegal immigration and cartel crime over the southern border, temporarily ban Muslims in a time when the US has insufficient intel on individuals coming from regions of the middle east, and supporting torturing terrorists are clearly both terrible and the key issues.[/QUOTE]
and somehow building a fucking wall is the answer? like the soviet union in berlin? getting mexico to pay for it?
temporarily ban moslems for the fact they have that religion? do white moslems count? do arab christians count? this kind of policy tells you what you need to do about how he will deal with religious and ethnic tensions in addition to foreign policy
torture doesn't even work. the fact a president would support its usage speaks volumes about how he treat human rights issues
How is trump even going to fix corruption? even helen keller could see that trump is only going to use his office to skim off monies from the government like a form of advanced parasitic leech and give sinecures to his supporters.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49980330]Yes, because wanting to stop illegal immigration and cartel crime over the southern border, temporarily ban Muslims in a time when the US has insufficient intel on individuals coming from regions of the middle east, and supporting torturing terrorists are clearly both terrible and the key issues.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they are all pretty terrible.
Stopping illegal immigration is a noble, but ultimately somewhat futile cause. No matter how well made this magical Trump™ Wall™ is supposed to be, it won't stop much. Walls can easily be traversed this day and age. So not only will it just be an expensive border ornament, for it to actually be effective it would have to cost even more to keep a near constant patrol on it. Basically a huge black hole for money to go in and "jobs" that won't last very long to radiate off for a few years at most.
Blanket banning people due to their religion is fucking awful. Literally no arguments against this point, you should not be assuming that every brown person with "Muhammed" in their name wants to blow the country up. Considering the biggest terror threats to the US currently are actually white dudes who think the US laws don't apply to them, banning Muslims is going to do pretty much fuck all. All the recent terror threats have been domestic. It's dumb. End of discussion.
Torturing people is fucking embarrassing. To even suggest it, let alone suggest using worse forms of it kinda shows he should never be given power at all. Utter maniac.
Trump is not going to solve your corruption issues, he is corruption incarnate. He's a marketer, everything he says is for his benefit, and maybe yours if it just so happens to help him a bit. This presidential campaign alone has probably raised his (impossible to measure because feels before reals) net worth a fair bit. It's certainly helped him show off the Trump brand, which in recent years hasn't really been going anywhere. "Oh but he's not taking money!!", well no shit? Why take money from big business when you can cut out the middleman and [B]be[/B] big business.
His "plan" to get jobs back so far has been pretty laughable. "oh we'll just force them to stop using ch-eye-na". lmao good luck, people are gonna get PISSED when their new iWhatsit costs 3x more because profit margins have gone to shit and they aren't being paid more due to employee protections being gutted in the name of "Freedom™".
If you can't see this jackass is running for nobody but himself then I really don't know what to say. Maybe it's because I'm an outsider who isn't having to suffer your media day in-day out, but it's really damn obvious.
He's been saying a lot of absolute batshit things lately, but this? I agree with this. There's nothing military intervention can do to help those countries so let's not waste our time, resources and lives trying. Let them do their thing. They're going to fight each other anyway.
[QUOTE=Paxton;49979354]How about not voting for a Communist and not voting for literally fucking Satan? (Clinton) No matter who gets the Democrapic nomination I'm sure as hell not abandoning my American duty to preserve the country and sure as hell not voting for the modern Dems. This is not 1960 when they were in their prime of "Question Government, question authority" movement, Dems for the past 30 years have shown their true colors. Racist, Hateful, Anti-American, lying about history (Party switch, what a fucking joke) It's like people don't want to learn the history of the Democratic party, they just want it all swept under the rug. They've been trying to turn us into Europe. Guess what, America was not made to change, it was made to be FREE.
Trump is someone who is saying what's needing to be said and what's really needing to be done. If he wasn't running I'd have to waste a vote on Kasich because Cruz sabotages so many voting polls it's pathetic, but even as much as I somewhat like Kasich he's still obeying his masters like a good bitch and can be bought at the drop of a hat, Trump can not be bought and that is why the enslaved world is shitting themselves, NWO can not buy him. I don't want to see NATO gone. I want to see NATO AND the U.N. gone.[/QUOTE]
Poe's law strikes again.
Washington Post put up the full transcript, which contains this great excerpt:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FyJiPjW.jpg[/img]
As much as I despise Trump, I really want to believe in the theory he's just using this shit rhetoric to gain support and then switcher-roo his policies/stances to something better than what he's been spouting.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;49979178]Which in turn lead us to jumping into WWII and the formation of NATO to begin with[/QUOTE]
Us having an isolationist stance after WWI was [U]not[/U] the catalyst for WWII. More of it was due to international economic depression and the Paris Peace Conference which practically drained German, which gave more leverage for the Nazi party to rise to power.
[QUOTE=Swiket;49980863]Washington Post put up the full transcript, which contains this great excerpt:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FyJiPjW.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I'm going to take a guess here that he was responding to the accusations about his hands being small.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49980330]Yes, because wanting to stop illegal immigration and cartel crime over the southern border, temporarily ban Muslims in a time when the US has insufficient intel on individuals coming from regions of the middle east, and supporting torturing terrorists are clearly both terrible and the key issues.
Of course, the disappearing jobs driven by horrid trade deals, being the world police, and legal corruption of the government are no big deal. Those aren't the issues that are going to hurt the American people in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Illegal immigrants who cause less crime than American Nationals. Cartel Crime would not at all be bothered by a 35-50 foot wall on the border.
Banning a religion is against the first amendment, it will do nothing but marginalize and radicalize more muslims to go anti-American.
Torture doesn't ever work. It has never worked according to CIA documents. The best interrogator ever was Hanns Scharff, google him. Torture is ISIS's main recruitment tool.
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