Syrian refugees drag paedophile to police after he was found attacking 7-year-old at refugee camp
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[QUOTE=Dzonintz;49971731]
Islam is incompatible with the West and discussion of it should not be taboo under any circumstance like it is today. You don't hear about these events from Vietnamese or Ukranian migrants in Poland, every controversial event today leads back to Islam and the culture it fosters.
This whole discussion began because someone was making fun of and taking a jab at people showing concerns about Islam in Europe.[/QUOTE]
There is a pretty large muslim population in California and things seem to work pretty well so I guess that just makes your whole argument fall apart doesn't it?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49971494]so are you really gonna tell me wanting to lynch pedophiles caught in the act is an islam exclusive thing[/QUOTE]
I never said that. It has little to do with Islam, it has a lot to do with the environment these people grew up in.
You are saying what they wanted to do is a common practice and doesn't signify any difference between them and us. This is wrong.
This is great news.
Hopefully the shows the world that Refugee's aren't assholes like the Media claim.....or atleast a bit of the world.
Good one these two, they did the right thing and I hope they do more like this and help other Refugee's follow the law of the country they are residing in.
Translating the Quran is pretty difficult due to the old language used and the lack of people with the studies to translate it.
Also, the religion shouldn't be put to blame for how people in certain countries act. More of an issue with the culture and extremism. Majority of Islamic countries have *normal* people, after all.
People always say Islam violence this, Islam violence that. The Hadits in the Quran that are often being flagged as controversial for promoting violence just part of stories from the history. People are just taking it out of context for the sake of controversy. Just like you see what's happening on the news lately. Every time a muslim gets mentioned on the news for crimes, they mention he/she's a muslim. But if a christian person gets mentioned, do they say he/she's christian? Of course not.
I was also taught from a young age to try and be a good person in life, and to pray. That's all what's important in life, really. No need to take the Quran word by word, just understand the greater message it's giving.
Just my two cents. And sorry if it doesn't make complete sense, been fairly sleep deprived lately.
Source : I'm muslim.
[QUOTE=Onii;49975954]Translating the Quran is pretty difficult due to the old language used and the lack of people with the studies to translate it.
Also, the religion shouldn't be put to blame for how people in certain countries act. More of an issue with the culture and extremism. Majority of Islamic countries have *normal* people, after all.
People always say Islam violence this, Islam violence that. The Hadits in the Quran that are often being flagged as controversial for promoting violence just part of stories from the history. People are just taking it out of context for the sake of controversy. Just like you see what's happening on the news lately. Every time a muslim gets mentioned on the news for crimes, they mention he/she's a muslim. But if a christian person gets mentioned, do they say he/she's christian? Of course not.
I was also taught from a young age to try and be a good person in life, and to pray. That's all what's important in life, really. No need to take the Quran word by word, just understand the greater message it's giving.
Just my two cents. And sorry if it doesn't make complete sense, been fairly sleep deprived lately.
Source : I'm muslim.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point, but please answer my question: Do the Quaraan or Hadith mention stoning or otherwise killing people for acting against certain Islamic rules?
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;49993180]I understand your point, but please answer my question: Do the Quaraan or Hadith mention stoning or otherwise killing people for acting against certain Islamic rules?[/QUOTE]
The Bible has that too, it's not uncommon for texts from that period to support that stuff, it was before "human rights" were an acknowledged concept
And that just brings the discussion back to how people don't follow that stuff in the Bible anymore and Islam needs to adapt, etc.
I don't know any Muslims who do that, and if any Muslims do, it's because they're in the Middle East or under influence of Muslims from the Middle East. The Middle East is in bad shape and people there do some messed up stuff, so that's why we hear the most about Muslims from that area.
It's a political problem that's tied to local religion because religion is deeply tied to everything that's happened there for all of human history.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49994279]The Bible has that too, it's not uncommon for texts from that period to support that stuff, it was before "human rights" were an acknowledged concept
And that just brings the discussion back to how people don't follow that stuff in the Bible anymore and Islam needs to adapt, etc.
I don't know any Muslims who do that, and if any Muslims do, it's because they're in the Middle East or under influence of Muslims from the Middle East. The Middle East is in bad shape and people there do some messed up stuff, so that's why we hear the most about Muslims from that area.
It's a political problem that's tied to local religion because religion is deeply tied to everything that's happened there for all of human history.[/QUOTE]
Although, unlike the Qur'an, the Bible has Jesus deliberately contradicting much of the rules of stoning in the New Testament.
Got to love the shift of media opinion just practically overnight.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;49993180]I understand your point, but please answer my question: Do the Quaraan or Hadith mention stoning or otherwise killing people for acting against certain Islamic rules?[/QUOTE]
Bit late on this, didn't think anyone would reply on this anymore.
The Quran does mention of killing people (taking away life) against certain rules, but these are the same rules as in the Bible : murder, aldultery, rape, false prophecy.
Now. I don't know much about the New Testament, so correct me if any changes regarding this were made. I couldn't find any, at least. In the Old Testament, they pretty much have the same opinion about it. Even saying that if someone sheds blood, their blood must be shed as well.
Only reason that in the Bible, these things are told in a friendlier way is because there's a general disagreement to update the Quran in a similar way, with the middle east playing a huge role in this.
In a sense, it is pretty hypocritical.
But it seems that the modern world is too offended by it. Look at all the outcries about how violent Islam as a religion is, proceeded by the same Hadiths quoted over and over while taken out of context. As sad as it is, somehow it seems to be a necessity. The recent events the last few years aren't helping with this, either.
If only he had waited two years he would have been fine!
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[QUOTE=Onii;49999701]Bit late on this, didn't think anyone would reply on this anymore.
The Quran does mention of killing people (taking away life) against certain rules, but these are the same rules as in the Bible : murder, aldultery, rape, false prophecy.
Now. I don't know much about the New Testament, so correct me if any changes regarding this were made. I couldn't find any, at least. In the Old Testament, they pretty much have the same opinion about it. Even saying that if someone sheds blood, their blood must be shed as well.
Only reason that in the Bible, these things are told in a friendlier way is because there's a general disagreement to update the Quran in a similar way, with the middle east playing a huge role in this.[/QUOTE]
in the new testament jesus tells people to stop killing people based on self righteousness, and on their judgement on some else's sins basically
he says “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” basically telling people "yo man we're all the same here, don't judge"
then basically about new testment what i was taught is that we should forgive even if we believe someone has wronged us, with being hit and turning the other cheek and stuff
though i mean jesus flipped a table so getting angry isn't out of the question
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;50002726]in the new testament jesus tells people to stop killing people based on self righteousness, and on their judgement on some else's sins basically
he says “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” basically telling people "yo man we're all the same here, don't judge"
then basically about new testment what i was taught is that we should forgive even if we believe someone has wronged us, with being hit and turning the other cheek and stuff
though i mean jesus flipped a table so getting angry isn't out of the question[/QUOTE]
Actually, in one of the stories that was left out of the Bible during its ~1500 years of intense editing and revision, Jesus outright kills a boy for the insult of brushing against him as he passes. Jesus was younger, and it's thought that this story was to help build Jesus's narrative of how he was once a sinner but found the way to God.
The Bible also contains the story of the bears mauling [I]dozens of kids[/I] to death. Why? Because they made fun of Elisha.
[QUOTE=Onii;49999701]Bit late on this, didn't think anyone would reply on this anymore.
The Quran does mention of killing people (taking away life) against certain rules, but these are the same rules as in the Bible : murder, aldultery, rape, false prophecy.
Now. I don't know much about the New Testament, so correct me if any changes regarding this were made. I couldn't find any, at least. In the Old Testament, they pretty much have the same opinion about it. Even saying that if someone sheds blood, their blood must be shed as well.
Only reason that in the Bible, these things are told in a friendlier way is because there's a general disagreement to update the Quran in a similar way, with the middle east playing a huge role in this.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Islam needs to update itself. What may need done is a fresh interpretation of the text.
Roman Catholicism has a long tradition of re-interpenetrating the text and reforming the church.
The Apostles's followers, the early church fathers, played an active role in the faith by interpreting what Jesus meant when he said something. Jesus often used abstract wording and literary concepts, like irony, in his parables, jokes, predictions, and teachings.
Many monastic and lay scholars excelling in topics varying from theology to ancient languages, regularly interpreted lessons from the faith and applied them to the world they lived in. The most memorable and revolutionary reinterpretation in recent history was the 2nd Vatican Council during the mid to late 1960's, commonly called "Vatican II".
In the time of the Roman Empire there were misinterpretations about Christianity circulating that Christians were people encouraged by Jesus to live in catacombs, literally drink blood, and eat human flesh, so they can live forever.
Today we have misinterpretations of Islam and some people think that Muslims are encouraged by Muhammad to have multiple wives, murder anyone who criticizes the Quaran, and marry 8 year old girls, so they can get 72 virgins.
If Christianity can move away from that misinterpretation, I'm sure Islam can do the same in time.
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