Boris Johnson vows UK ties with EU will be strengthened after referendum result
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if you want to have a laugh, here's an article about the daily mail suddenly getting cold feet over brexit
"juncker is forcing us out too early ;_; HE'S A SECRET NAZI!!!"[/QUOTE]
this is absolutely top tier incredible: you know why?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Support_of_fascism[/url]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/%22Hurrah_for_the_Blackshirts%21%22.jpg[/img]
[quote]Lord Rothermere was a friend of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, and directed the Mail's editorial stance towards them in the early 1930s.[32][33] Rothermere's 1933 leader "Youth Triumphant" praised the new Nazi regime's accomplishments, and was subsequently used as propaganda by them.[34] In it, Rothermere predicted that "The minor misdeeds of individual Nazis would be submerged by the immense benefits the new regime is already bestowing upon Germany". Journalist John Simpson, in a book on journalism, suggested that Rothermere was referring to the violence against Jews and Communists rather than the detention of political prisoners.[35][/quote]
Boilrig, do you actually think the EU is going to be worse off than the UK?
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605258]*quotes*[/QUOTE]
Is this some form of cognitive dissonance or are you just playing people?
On the point of badmouthing Scotland, you do realize the if Scotland leaves and joins the EU we'd have control over a massive Plateau for fishing which the UK would own otherwise.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;50605391]On the point of badmouthing Scotland, you do realize the if Scotland leaves and joins the EU we'd have control over a massive Plateau for fishing which the UK would own otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Well England would still have the massive banking industry in London....
oh wait
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605349]
Jumping ahead with that now would only make thing worse. When Article 50 is invoked, that itself will also cause another hit to the market. The more time until Article 50, the better for the market overall.
Yep, though mostly just for the EU.
[B]OK[/B], but here we are, regardless of how bad or good this is.[/QUOTE]
"The more time until Article 50, the better for the market overall"
"though mostly just for the EU"
what do you mean? You mean UK trade deals with [B]​just [/B]the EU will be done from a weaker position?
In which case you're retardedly wrong, UK's gonna get worse deals with everyone since it's a small economy compared to the EU without the UK.
In any case, here's the numbers. As you can see, this affects the UK MUCH worse than the EU during the next [B]5 years[/B]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/m8ENhVr.png[/IMG]
Here's why UK's position globally is comparatively shit without the EU.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8fEtIfw.png[/IMG]
Here's why UK trade will go down significantly (since they received the most FDI due to them belonging to the EU)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eqRLMNw.png[/IMG]
So to that people say "We'll just re-negotiate better deals with the EU and do it like Norway"
grats, less than 0.53% profit, for much greater losses globally.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Gqmqwvy.png[/IMG]
UK's imports will be fucked for [B]OVER FOUR FUCKING YEARS[/B]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IBCsWLD.png[/IMG]
Oh but that's not it, [B]THE FULL IMPACTS OF THIS WILL BE FELT 10 YEARS LATER[/B]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IzLFFWb.png[/IMG]
But hey, brexiters are retards so they don't care about facts or stats or data or global economic models or experience
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50605403]
But hey, brexiters are retards so they don't care about facts or stats or data or global economic models or experience[/QUOTE]
YEP! All that matters is getting the pints in and the muslims out!
TAKE BACK CONTROL!
:poot:
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;50605302]And how long is that gunna take? 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? [B]100 years?[/B]
Am I gunna be retired by the time this country finally picks itself out of the sewage, having worked back-breaking hours for meagre money? Because if history has taught us anything, economic crashes rarely work out well for the common people.[/QUOTE]
This is a knee-jerk reaction because after all the UK is not going to be leaving for at least another 2 years.
Lord King Governor of the Bank Of England has said today that the remain campaign was a clusterfuck.
Also that the market will fluctuate but there is no need to panic.
But then I dare say someone will dismiss King as being wrong as you know better.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36642662[/url]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50605385]Boilrig, do you actually think the EU is going to be worse off than the UK?[/QUOTE]
In the immediate future the EU will be better off than the UK.
I don't know what state that the EU will be in years from now. However I also don't see the UK going anywhere and will still be here carrying on per normal.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50605455]This is a knee-jerk reaction because after all the UK is not going to be leaving for at least another 2 years.
Lord King Governor of the Bank Of England has said today that the remain campaign was a clusterfuck.
Also that the market will fluctuate but there is no need to panic.
But then I dare say someone will dismiss King as being wrong as you know better.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36642662[/url][/QUOTE]
Sorry I care too much about my future to go down to the Winchester, have a few pints and wait for this whole thing to blow over. The future is [I]rife[/I] with uncertainty, I have every right to be scared about what happens next.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605473]In the immediate future the EU will be better off than the UK.
I don't know what state that the EU will be in years from now. However I also don't see the UK going anywhere and will still be here carrying on per normal.[/QUOTE]
I see the UK going backwards actually, right now
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605473]In the immediate future the EU will be better off than the UK.
I don't know what state that the EU will be in years from now. However I don't see the UK going anywhere and will still be here carrying on per normal.[/QUOTE]
This puts it more in to perspective that the UK leaving the EU is a bad decision. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605473]In the immediate future the EU will be better off than the UK.
I don't know what state that the EU will be in years from now. However I also don't see the UK going anywhere and will still be here carrying on per normal.[/QUOTE]
Well, if by immediate future you mean "at least 10 years and most likely indefinitely" then yeah.
But you like ignoring posts and facts so why do i bother lmao
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605473]In the immediate future the EU will be better off than the UK.
I don't know what state that the EU will be in years from now. However I don't see the UK going anywhere and will still be here carrying on per normal.[/QUOTE]you say all this 'going anywhere' shit but life is about to get harder for many people in the uk, and its already pretty hard for a lot of people. it's not a binary state of doing fine or doing not fine, there's degrees of suffering in there and you seem completely oblivious to it
Also, the UK isn't going normal at all, everything is pointing down, stop acting like it's a normal thing because NO ONE HAS EVER LEFT THE EU.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50605494]This puts it more in to perspective that the UK leaving the EU is a bad decision. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Bad decision in the short term. In the long term they might even be better off. :/
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605514]Bad decision in the short term. In the long term they might even be better off. :/[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep lying to people? There's gotta be some maelstrom of cognitive dissonance in your brain when "UK worse off in every measurable way than they would be in the EU for the next several decades" means "ok things are fine :) it'll get better i promise :)"
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;50605496]you say all this 'going anywhere' shit but life is about to get harder for many people in the uk, and its already pretty hard for a lot of people. it's not a binary state of doing fine or doing not fine, there's degrees of suffering in there and you seem completely oblivious to it[/QUOTE]
In what way is life going to get harder in the near future for ordinary working class people (unless like me you are going abroad this weekend) are you suggesting that there will be unemployment and price rises anytime soon?
Where's this bullshit emergency budget anyway?? Osborne is a lying cunt, the sooner he goes the better.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50605528]Why do you keep lying to people? There's gotta be some maelstrom of cognitive dissonance in your brain when "UK worse off in every measurable way than EU for the next several decades" means "ok things are fine :) it'll get better i promise :)"[/QUOTE]
As I said, don't know what will happen in the long term for the EU. For all we know it could be great, or it could dissolve, or other member states could leave, decreasing it's power. Or even the UK got out at the right time. When you take something as large as the EU there's too many outcomes.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605514]Bad decision in the short term. In the long term they might even be better off. :/[/QUOTE]
I'm sure millions of low to middle class citizens and immigrants will be delighted to struggle for a decade or two until the UK is just about as it was before it left the EU but knowing it won't ever be better than it was after leaving the EU.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605555]As I said, don't know what will happen in the long term for the EU. For all we know it could be great, or it could dissolve, or other member states could leave, decreasing it's power. Or even the UK got out at the right time. When you take something as large as the EU there's too many outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you do know, I've given you plenty of academic and scholarly sources which tell you fucking EXACTLY what's gonna happen.
Try reading for once in your fucking life.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50605578]Yeah you do know, I've given you plenty of academic and scholarly sources which tell you fucking EXACTLY what's gonna happen.
Try reading for once in your fucking life.[/QUOTE]
You've explained whats going to "happen" in the UK. Unless you have a time machine you can't tell me the rest.
okay this has gone on far enough
here is the brexiters' plan
wait for luck to come back round
i mean yeah things are bad now but they can't be bad forever right?
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605590]You've explained whats going to "happen" in the UK. Unless you have a time machine you can't tell me the rest.[/QUOTE]
But you can tell everything will return to normal because "it's business as well" based on nothing.
Yeah, OK, you're done.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50605539]In what way is life going to get harder in the near future for ordinary working class people (unless like me you are going abroad this weekend) are you suggesting that there will be unemployment and price rises anytime soon?
Where's this bullshit emergency budget anyway?? Osborne is a lying cunt, the sooner he goes the better.[/QUOTE]
You realise that that the pound having a lower value will result in goods costing more to import and thus price rises right? For example diesel. We don't have many diesel capable refineries in the country so the vast majority is imported.
Just about everything will get more expensive. This is only looking at the value of the currency as well, and not the other downsides. Working class people will get hit the hardest by this, as was predicted since the start of this whole thing.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605590]What's going to "happen" in the UK. Unless you have a time machine you can't tell me the rest.[/QUOTE]
Are you legitimately this fucking thick? Are you seriously about to tell me that you can ignore entire fields of science because you don't like them?
Economics is a science, just like biology or physics. There's certain models with tried, tested, dare I say proven predictive capability which are literally what our money and capitalistic way of life are BASED ON.
It's not like those links I gave you are fucking bloggers going "ok heres what I think will happen"
They're written by people who have dedicated their lives to understanding macroeconomics, their work is based on the life's work of thousands, hundreds of thousands of political and economic scientists.
[B]We know pretty fucking well what's gonna happen.[/B] It's not some free-for-all shot in the dark.
I remember before the vote people were worried that a leave would could make the EU dissolve, but at this point I think that's would have been a lot more likely if they had stayed.
But the British people are tired of experts! /s
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;50605638]I remember before the vote people were worried that a leave would could make the EU dissolve, but at this point I think that's would have been a lot more likely if they had stayed.[/QUOTE]
I actually fucking hope this makes the EU stronger, to spite all the Leavers
It's a long shot but some good has to come from this
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50605657]I actually fucking hope this makes the EU stronger, to spite all the Leavers
It's a long shot but some good has to come from this[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but I think it did bring us all closer together, even if it was just to laugh at the UK.
Seriously though France and Germany are drawing up plans to strengthen and unify Europe after Brexit. With the main opposition of further integration gone expect to see more legislation towards a more Federal Europe soon.
[editline]27th June 2016[/editline]
And by soon I mean its already been anounced
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